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Jaffa 2009-01-12 19:00
Re: Where is Nokia - no announcement no product - still in hibernation
 
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Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 256846)
Only if your aim was to be popular.

If you aimed for quality, popularity is no measure at all. (Not that popularity is an indication of low quality - it simply doesn't tell anything about it.)
Sorry, but are you smoking something? Nokia have a responsibility to aim for popularity: higher popularity == more device sales == higher profits.

Now, there are many mechanisms for delivering popularity: including balancing quality, cost, development time, release date.

Texrat 2009-01-12 19:05
Re: Where is Nokia - no announcement no product - still in hibernation
 
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Originally Posted by daperl (Post 256900)
Oh man, don't even start. This is too good. You're derailing the minimal train of thought I already had. Thanks for nothin'.

[huddling] 'Okay, okay. Everybody listen up. A Beagle Board is 3"x3". Texrat, you go left. I'll go right. I'll hit you somewhere down the middle. We'll call it, "Anesidora." Everybody got it? On 4. Ready, break!'
I'd even be willing to go with DaPerlodora.

Peet 2009-01-12 19:18
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Originally Posted by Jaffa (Post 256904)
Sorry, but are you smoking something? Nokia have a responsibility to aim for popularity: higher popularity == more device sales == higher profits.
Thanks for reminding me again why it would be better to get my hardware and software/OS from different providers.

As a user I also have my own set of priorities...

Benson 2009-01-12 19:20
Re: Where is Nokia - no announcement no product - still in hibernation
 
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Originally Posted by Jaffa (Post 256904)
Sorry, but are you smoking something? Nokia have a responsibility to aim for popularity: higher popularity == more device sales == higher profits.

Now, there are many mechanisms for delivering popularity: including balancing quality, cost, development time, release date.
Quoting the original context:
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Originally Posted by ragnar (Post 256835)
From my personal perspective the current UI's on the N810 are nowhere near on the level of being "good enough" that I would be scared of changing them, even drastically if necessary. If the current devices would have sold millions and millions and their UI's would have been praised universally, then there would be much more hesistance towards change, I'm sure of that. Popularity is a practical measure for success.
In context, I think the point is valid. Nokia was not aiming for popularity with the existing devices (the whole step-n-of-5 deal), so the fact they didn't attain it is not reflective of poor success of the current UI.

qole 2009-01-12 19:32
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Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 256888)
Darn you, qole, I had a reply ready! :D :p
If only there were a delete button on my real life comments, too.

lcuk 2009-01-12 19:34
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qole, blame it on the absinthe

daperl 2009-01-12 19:57
Re: Where is Nokia - no announcement no product - still in hibernation
 
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Originally Posted by Johnx (Post 256869)
I really don't understand all this doom and gloom just because Nokia wants to make some UI tweaks in their software and add an HSPA modem...
Can we agree that Ragnar highly regards the iPhone? I would further guess that his respect is both inside and out. And I will go one step further that he would have Nokia duplicate it if he/they could. Big ifs, I know. But that's how his posts read to me. Anyway, if all that were true and forgetting a stow-away keyboard for a second, my 12 buttons would go to 4 (home, power and +/- volume on the iPhone). So to call 12-down-to-4 "some UI tweaks in their software" would be misleading and false. As would calling my skepticism doom-and-gloom. Again, only if I'm guessing correctly. Nokia should just say something new here.

danramos 2009-01-12 20:14
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Originally Posted by allnameswereout (Post 256864)
We discussed this elsewhere.

Once my tablet has 32 GB SD it will become my MP3 player replacing my Iriver H340.

But it is not as if this is a necessary for most people, and its not as if I really need all those GBs. They're part of lazyness.

I bought the N810 for its GPS (a mistake) and hardware keyboard (a sound choice; especially as compliment to phone or replacement for laptop).

Perhaps one has to realize there are different hardware demands. Differentiate them in various groups which make sense and serve different types of groups. However, do not assume people buy both devices.
It was in the context of why people around me had opted for the N800 versus the N810 when they had an opportunity to get either. There's no assumption involved--just a statement of fact from what they stated to me. I did, however, also neglect to mention that by the time the N810 was out, the N800 was also much cheaper in most places.. and that was also a factor that was mentioned by these folks but it was also indicated to me as ultimately not being a deciding factor for the choice. For those folks that decided not to upgrade from an N800, the price was never even a factor.

daperl 2009-01-12 20:23
Re: Where is Nokia - no announcement no product - still in hibernation
 
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Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 256906)
I'd even be willing to go with DaPerlodora.
Nah. Thoughtful, but too busy. I think I've got; it has the right number of syllables and it's inline with "doing the opposite": Costanza. And yes, it will have a touch-pad with braille-friendly inserts on the battery cover.

danramos 2009-01-12 20:25
Re: Where is Nokia - no announcement no product - still in hibernation
 
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Originally Posted by daperl (Post 256866)
I love my mac-mini IR remote; throw in some Bluetooth and the 6 buttons could control plenty.
I had, at one time, set up the Wiimote to control my Nokia remotely. I mapped out the buttons so that could pretty much do everything with it, too. Something like that without the mess of vomiting a tar file all over my root directory would be nice as a start. :)

If a dedicated dpad with controls was made just for the Nokia and it was supported properly, it would be absolutely perfect. Especially nice if it was small and convenient so that I can just tuck away the N800 in a large pocket somewhere like, say, in my backpack and then just keep a teeny remote in my front pocket. This would be great for wired headphones.

...wired! But wait! What about us bluetooth headphone people? Don't most of these headphones ALREADY have a few controls? Aren't they already RIGHT THERE on my oversized, meaty human head? How about the OS just sorta SUPPORT them so that app writers can USE them? :)


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