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myk 2009-12-29 04:38

Re: N900 vs Iphone.
 
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Originally Posted by akalepro (Post 444388)
sorry if this is a stupid question:

apology accepted, but not a promising first post, eh? :-)
I think you knew the answer, you were just being an optimist.

c0rt3x 2009-12-29 18:29

Re: N900 vs Iphone.
 
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Originally Posted by OrangeBox (Post 443428)
***Cries***

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1. Screen. It has a good resolution and color. Sensitivity is good. How much extra would've cost to apply the oleophobic layer on it like the 3GS'es? $2 bucks, five tops.
Because the 3GS' screen is better? Nearly all components have both advantages and disadvantages - pick the screen that fits the best for your usage. If you prefer the 4:3 ratio and the 480x320 resolution more than anything else, then it's up to you.

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2. Camera. It is better than the 3GS but worse than many other Nokia's. 5MP is pretty average. Lots of phone cams are now 8MP. New Sony-Ericcson has 12MP. Where is the optical zoom? Regular P&S cameras half the width of the N900 have 3X optical zoom.
Buy some duct-tape. Buy a DSLR. Get pants with giant pockets. Now you're done - your "phone" will have a killer camera.

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3. Keyboard. Good typing on it. Worse than BlackBerry. Controversial (learnable though) location of space bar. 3 rows of keys. Could've easily been 4 like the Droid's or most other smart phone's.
The optimal number of rows is subjective. The combination of hardware and software QWERTY is still rare among the flagship models. Once again, prioritize yourself what's important and what's not. Maybe you're looking for a Nokia 1112...

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4. Speakers. Good but worse then N95's.
Worse than 3GS'? I wouldn't think so. The N95 and the 3GS are champs in some areas, while they're seriously lacking elsewhere (especially the 3GS). No device is perfect, but the N900 does actually combine most of the good things from both the N95 and the 3GS.

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5. CPU. Same as 3GS. Could've been 1GHz SnapDragon.
First off, the 3GS and the N900 does NOT have the same chipset. Some say one of them is better, others say otherwise. The 3GS' CPU is an ARM Cortex A8 833MHz underclocked to 600MHz (identical to the N900's speed). The 3GS' GPU is an PowerVR SGX 535 28MPolys/s underclocked to 7MPolys/s (half of the N900's speed). And most importantly, the 3GS lacks a DSP. It really doesn't matter what's on paper - it's the reality that matters. Good luck to even match the N900's GPU with the 3GS - you'll need it, really. The lack of a DSP doesn't make it better.

Now, when we've accepted that the Iphone hardware is crapified, let's discuss why Snapdragon should have been chosen instead? Perhaps becuase the best multi-tasking phones (N95, Omnia HD and least but not last N900) happens to have an OMAP SoC? Or perhaps becuase the Snapdragon (in theory as well, see previous posts) is junk?

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6. Storage. Same as 3GS with expandable. Noone will use that feature because one must remove the batter to replace the microSDHC card. Why isn't there an external slot?
You must be kidding. The storage of the N900 is yet unmatched, no matter what competitor you consider today. Se previous posts for more information about this.

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7. Browser. Better than Safari. No portrait support (yet). Again a half baked solution.
Do you prefer having to wait for a superior product, or do you want to have the possibility of trying it, despite of the lack of completion. The incomplete product (in this case Micro-B) might still prove itself better than the complete competitors (which is the case here).

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8. Phone hw: better than 3GS. No North American frequency support for 3GS except T-mobile. I thought that frequency tuners are eletronic, so whatever chip Nokia uses should be programmable to so frequencies yet it's not.
Get over it. Do you buy a phone or a contract in the first place? Also, enjoy an Iphone with T-mo - not that you can easily buy one unlocked.

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9. Overall build quality: on par with 3GS
Or not. The most N900 faults have been software issues, which (mostly all) can be solved with firmware updates. However, the first batch of the 3GS had a dump chipset position (in order to minimize the design as much as possible without skipping some necessary parts), which often caused overheating. It might be history by now, but how as a consumer are you supposed to know that, when Apple never even admitted the issue in the first place (now that it's fixed they could at least admit it, but no... we prefer silence).

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10. OS: better than 3GS
Personally I agree, but this is highly subjective. The Iphone is Unix-based, and if it wouldn't be that locked, gimped and simplified, then maybe you'd think otherwise.

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11. Available software: 3GS wins
Quantity > Quality ?

OrangeBox 2009-12-29 18:54

Re: N900 vs Iphone.
 
The problem is that Nokia is playing the catching up yet again to Apple. The 3GS came out months before the N900 and hardware-wise the N900 definitely is only marginally better and in some cases worse then the 3GS. Available software wise it's definitely worse.

This is in competing with a company that didn't even know what a phone was 2 years ago. Nokia may have the talent pool to do great things, but nothing it ever did was revolutionary. Everything was always a small incremental improvement over the previous version.

When the iPhone 4G or whatever will came out next year rest assured it will blow people away. To be fair, Nokia may end up doing the same with N920 should it chooses to remain a player in the game.

Don't forget the Android movement either. Close to 1 million of the Motorola Droids have been sold so far. What are Nokia's numbers with the N900?

Laughingstok 2009-12-29 18:58

Re: N900 vs Iphone.
 
To be fair, if AT&T doesn't get their crap together, the iPhone may suffer. Unless Apple has a contract in which they are able to bail on AT&T, they are going to experience a drop in sales at least in the U.S. (I'm not sure if the iPhone is sold overseas, but I assume it is.)

AT&T is so bad that just recently (yesterday apparantly) they have stopped selling the iPhone in New York City, stating that "New York is not ready for the iPhone."

The truth though, as we all know, is that AT&T's network isn't ready for the bandwidth usage of it. AT&T was also recently rated the WORST cellphone carrier by Consumer Reports. No surprise, the number of dropped calls I got on AT&T was horrendous.

OrangeBox 2009-12-29 19:00

Re: N900 vs Iphone.
 
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Originally Posted by c0rt3x (Post 445537)
The most N900 faults have been software issues, which (mostly all) can be solved with firmware updates. However, the first batch of the 3GS had a dump chipset position (in order to minimize the design as much as possible without skipping some necessary parts), which often caused overheating. It might be history by now, but how as a consumer are you supposed to know that, when Apple never even admitted the issue in the first place (now that it's fixed they could at least admit it, but no... we prefer silence).

This is simply untrue. A quick glance over threads on this forum reveals numerous hardware/build quality issues with the N900.

The overall build quality of the 3GS is better than the N900. It feels more firm and not that plasticky as the N900.

OrangeBox 2009-12-29 19:07

Re: N900 vs Iphone.
 
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Originally Posted by Laughingstok (Post 445586)
To be fair, if AT&T doesn't get their crap together, the iPhone may suffer. Unless Apple has a contract in which they are able to bail on AT&T, they are going to experience a drop in sales at least in the U.S. (I'm not sure if the iPhone is sold overseas, but I assume it is.)

AT&T is so bad that just recently (yesterday apparantly) they have stopped selling the iPhone in New York City, stating that "New York is not ready for the iPhone."

The truth though, as we all know, is that AT&T's network isn't ready for the bandwidth usage of it. AT&T was also recently rated the WORST cellphone carrier by Consumer Reports. No surprise, the number of dropped calls I got on AT&T was horrendous.

Yes the iPhone is sold overseas. AT&T was practically given a lifeline when Apple gave it the exclusivity contract. The only reason why they singled out the iPhone two days ago was because the N900 they sell in the US doesn't work with 3G speeds on the AT&T network. In the meantime would be BB users were laughing. Shame on AT&T for blaming the iPhone for their shitty network.

Fargus 2009-12-29 19:08

Re: N900 vs Iphone.
 
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Originally Posted by OrangeBox (Post 443571)
Correction: remove the battery is incorrect. Just pried open my N900. All you have to do is to take the back cover off by risking to break the little plastic flaps around the edges. Definitely not a daily task.

I manage it several time a day, no sign of issues yet. At least the ability to extend beyond 32GB is there. You lost this point.

Laughingstok 2009-12-29 19:10

Re: N900 vs Iphone.
 
Oh, and I just opened the back cover of my N900 without any issue. I don't get how it's difficult. There's even a little "lip" to grab onto (the side opposite the camera lens) which you simply pull on and it opens.

I've opened mine dozens of times without issue or worry. *shrug*

Laughing Man 2009-12-29 19:12

Re: N900 vs Iphone.
 
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Originally Posted by OrangeBox (Post 445589)
This is simply untrue. A quick glance over threads on this forum reveals numerous hardware/build quality issues with the N900.

The overall build quality of the 3GS is better than the N900. It feels more firm and not that plasticky as the N900.

The same build quality that resulted in some units burning while others had off color screens? Every device out there regardless of who makes it will have some manufacturing issues.

Fargus 2009-12-29 19:16

Re: N900 vs Iphone.
 
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Originally Posted by OrangeBox (Post 445577)
The problem is that Nokia is playing the catching up yet again to Apple. The 3GS came out months before the N900 and hardware-wise the N900 definitely is only marginally better and in some cases worse then the 3GS. Available software wise it's definitely worse.

This is in competing with a company that didn't even know what a phone was 2 years ago. Nokia may have the talent pool to do great things, but nothing it ever did was revolutionary. Everything was always a small incremental improvement over the previous version.

When the iPhone 4G or whatever will came out next year rest assured it will blow people away. To be fair, Nokia may end up doing the same with N920 should it chooses to remain a player in the game.

Don't forget the Android movement either. Close to 1 million of the Motorola Droids have been sold so far. What are Nokia's numbers with the N900?

Well there is thengoing dispute between Nokia & Apple so one might argue that they still don't know what a phone is! The only thing Apple did that was revolutionary with the iPhone was the UI. Even some of the gesture control interface was nicked from Creative!


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