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Hi. If no one is texting anymore what is the current means communication of choice. You mean using MMS or social media media? If you just want to communicate to one person or a few people what do you use? Just asking.

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Every single time this guy (gtmaster303) posts I ask myself, why?
Why is this person here?
Every.Friggin.Time.

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Like I said, SMS. And that's the only form of textual communication that is available at sailfish. Have to say that I dont't know how god or bad are these new telegram clients but in all these years jolla should have stepped up and make an official one but instead all they do is bumping OS version. The only thing that sailfish got in these 6-7 years that was not there in the beginning is navigation app and not thanks to jolla.
In the last 12 months my job required a bunch of mails with photos and documents on a daily basis. On the field, no office, no table, no computer. Just forests, hills, islands, rooftops.....And even mail client on sailfish sucks in comparison to k9 mail. Batch resizing images...... how to do that on sailfish? There's document app on sailfish but how to edit spreadsheets?
I get that sailfish can be perfect for someone who is in the office all day and does everything on the desktop but as a on the go tool it just lacking in so many ways. And pretending that it does not will not make it better than android. Hell, even 15 years ago on UIQ I could do a lot more work related stuff than it's possible on sailfish today. And just hating android won't change that. Maemo on n900 10 years ago was more capable.

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Thanks, I didn't realize Sailfish is still quite limited. I have to admit that my purchase of phones has been pretty much driven by which phone has the best hardware with usable software and hacking potential. While I own the Jolla 1 and tablet I don't find their capabilities up to par has a whole (besides not really being that usable in US cause of network issues- although xperia solves some of that) and have used android on best hardware I can find.

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You must be a crowd favorite at parties...

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I mean everyone is entitled to an opinion, but like or not we all need Android for this device to survive and be profitable for the company.
So I don't see how trashing the main software for this phone is helpful to anyone
If it's not Android you're talking about a fraction of a fraction of users for this device

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Not sure if you were referring to my posts, but for what it's worth, I was not hating Android. The reasons why I personally dislike Android is because (1) I hate the ergonomics and the way the UI is circumvoluted, (2) it defaults to tracking data with options hidden everywhere and some things are impossible to properly disable even when you know what you are doing, and (3) it has acquired such a dominant position that alternatives are all deemed insignificant by developers and companies offering mobile applications, to the point that you cannot park your car in some towns if you have no Android/iOS phone, use certain banks, or sometimes even continue using the banks you were using before. Applications have replaced websites for some services because Android largely prevails, and I do not think this is a good thing. Android should not be a standard. But it is and we have to deal with it, maybe making some compromises if we prefer alternatives.

However, I do not know Android enough to generalize my critics. Opinions are my own and I chose my words wisely specifically to avoid sounding like a hater just for the sake of hating. I do prefer Sailfish (especially with Alien Dalvik to compensate for the missing applications, but unfortunately Google Services are becoming mandatory) or Leste. I do not like Android, but I am glad Chen and F(x)tec decided to offer their phone to the mass by supporting Android on top of my niche OS.

Sailfish also supports XMPP, which is of course not rivaling Whatsapp, but this deserved being mentioned because I believe this protocol better fits the Sailfish "freedom" idea. Unfortunately, only freaks like us and some other nerd communities know about XMPP so it is hardly usable as a replacement communication system, and it has its flaws, but I do appreciate that Sailfish supported it out of the box from the very beginning. But again, I do use SMS and MMS so I might not be the best example. I do use my phone on the field very often too though, and mostly with native apps, but Alien Dalvik comes to the rescue when necessary (less and less often, because it is now too outdated to run certain Android applications). It is true, however, that not everything can be done with native applications, and old systems like Maemo were maybe more polyvalent at their time. But this was mostly before the Android era, and reason (3) above. I bet none of the old OSes would have had their respective ecosystems if they happened to be released at a time when Android was already considered as much as a standard as today.

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n900user259, please consider ignoring posts you do not like before borderline asking others to form an opinion on someone. That would be nice.

gtmaster303, Android is quite far from the ideals most users here at TMO try to hold up. Basically it is not much about hate but annoyance to not get what we want. From android, and a mere discussion about Android.
This forum is dedicated to keep maemo-likes alive and thus a device specific thread like this one is naturally mainly discussed in light of feasibility to use it "for our cause".
If you followed the thread, nearly everyone is fine with fxtec shipping the device with android to have a market chance or even use it for a while oneself.
Main goal of most users here however is to witness and discuss the magic of bringing alternative oses to the pro1.

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Those are my main beefs as well, and (2) is why I *do* hate anything remotely related to Google.
The amount of abuse they perpetrate (along with many other megacorps) upon people's privacy is utterly preposterous.
What's even more irritating and saddening is that so many people just don't care, because it's everywhere and it's "easy".
It's even worse when it's "tech-savvy" people that are endorsing this crap :mad:

Ugh... gotta... control... myself...


Mosen is spot-on, as expected, but it's concerning that he had to explain what TMO is about :confused:

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You don't necessarily have to throw out the baby and the bathwater you guys...

(It took me long enough to figure it out....
Cause I have about a 3 storey pile of babies outside my window ...
from all the throwing I have been doing.....Thank goodness I live on the side of a valley....)

there is an "UnGooglized" option y'know.
(Love it..."UnGooglized" ...hahaha)

https://hothardware.com/news/e-rolls...oid-smartphone

see how well it does...
Maybe I will give it a go if it doesn't flop after some time...
(I know ...I know...still...I gotta use something in this world nowadays ...Being a Maemo Luddite just isn't possible ...for day to day necessity, it is a choice between the lesser of 2 weevils ....as they say ...android or iphone....that being said...take the lesser weevil ...and strip it bare ...then it is a bearable pain ...when more viable options arise ...and they will...nothing is forever ....especially in mobile tech...the speed of transformation will overthrow the two terrible weevils eventually... :D )

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I remember reading that there is actually some concern about /e/ and specifically the way they *might* (conditional, it's just a faint memory from one of my TMO readings) manipulate licenses to their advantage. And in my case, /e/ would not solve issues (1) and (3). I am not absolutely sure issue (2) would be solved either due to the widespread Google Services requirement (except if alternatives like microG really are 100% working and respectful of privacy).

I should definitely check before spreading false information if I am mistaken, but I'm stuck at issues (1) and (3) anyway.

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well....there we go then!
Thank you Kabouik!

So ....the "unGooglely" option ...may indeed turn out to be a possible third weevil!

So sad ....
Before it is even out of the gate...
The death of the "UnGooglized" dream...

I know what is needed right now!
A "EuGoogly"!
I only know one good Eugooglizer
Think we can get Derek?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-1M6reKnU4

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No, again these are my own preferences and I don't claim that they should be generic, especially (1). I do believe (3) is generally bad, however, since an operating system should not become a worldwide standard. I believe it should rather remain a way to access to the information and services and interact with them, instead of the other way around with everything being specifically tailored to fit a unique monopolistic system. Imagine using computers with no web browser because standard Internet would not exist anymore, everything would just progressively transition to specific applications that run only on Mac (if you are a Linux or Windows user), or reciprocally. Not looking forward to such "revolution".

Don't get me wrong, I am glad there are alternatives that actually try to degoogle the Google beast from its bad sides, but I regret that they still are tamed chimeras of the original beast, sharing some DNA and looking mostly the same. And Google is not going to help maintaining them either, they'll make it more difficult to fill the gap with the original just like they did in the past. Therefore, as long as there will be real alternatives like Leste or Sailfish, I'll stay on this side. When I truly have no choice anymore, I'll go for the tamed versions of the Google creature and I'll be even happier that they exist. Yet, I am afraid that they would act like vaccines on me, i.e., sanitized versions of the virus that my body would forever learn to reject anyway because they still look pathogenic. Again, this is my own impression, and I am absolutely 100% positive about vaccines (a shame that we have to make it clear nowadays).

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I wish that there was a toe to toe competitor to the 2 weevils...
but unfortunately there isn't ...
and a huge amount of daily life on mobile is now in their courts...
banking and everything else...
If Leste can offer a viable daily alternative...
I will happily take it.
(That has been a hope of mine for some time)
But the 2 weevils have knit themselves into the very backbone of business and commerce...
just in that department ...forget almost all other aspects of life...
and I don't see yet any other option coming close .

Maemo on mobile is for puttering for me...(Diablo and fremantle anyway...hopefully Leste can make it possible to have a daily once again...)
Android on mobile for daily necessity.

Linux on pc's at home...
(I have no need for windows or droid's attempts or mac's ..I can happily do everything I need on Linux...)

I just wish linux were as competitive in the mobile industry ...
to topple the big 2...

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I remember around 50 or 100 pages ago the similar topic regarding Android was discussed before...

As mentioned by gtmaster303, we do need to reach the wider audience to make sure the device sells enough to make our project surviving and continue to make it even more niche. Like a sub 5 inch slider, like removable battery etc. These won't exist if Pro1 wasn't popular enough. Who knows if we can get the road goes further and we are stronger maybe even shipping with alternative OS. But for now, shipping with Android minimise the risks most. :)

But that doesn't mean no decent or alternative OS... I have engaged with more developers and the first few engineering device will leave factory this week to dev's hands. And these are for our beloved alternatives. ;)

And I want to answer the question of "why hate Android" personally: Because I have used OSes that I believe was / is better than Android. And I believe those should not be forgotten and deserves a place for users appreciate them. ;)

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Absolutely, and it is just as frustrating as it is concerning.

Linux at home and at work too, I am lucky enough that I can so far decide which OS to use at work (not sure I'll be able to finish my career with this freedom).

Absolutely no doubt about that (I said it too multiple times, despite my personal tastes about Android), and it definitely sounds like the best long-term project. I'm grateful that you managed to drive the project this far already, and it looks like it's going well.

I wish I was a dev to try out the damn thing!

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Like ubport devs and Postmarket OS and others?

BTW the community meetup day suggestions don't seem to be set on one specific day, people on twitter want Thursday, the fxtec forum want Friday. But based on the amount of responses so far, it hasn't really reached that many people.

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Run it on multiple days?.. And, I am guessing that many people are too far away from London to come to the meet-up in person. I am in Australia, for example.

Thank you. Best wishes,
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Per aspera ad astra...

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if they do multiple days i sure hope they do multiple locations.

it would cost me half the price of the phone just to get to london, at that price i could just as well order the phone without a hands on and resell at half price if it turns out unusable for me.

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Hi. Maybe I'm old fashion, but how about web access to the meeting. That might help. Just having a realtime view and maybe being able ask questions by some chat mechanism would be fun and informative!

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I'm actually with this statement as well.. I don't understand it either.
We are all humans, everyone has their own tastes and own thoughts about things.

As an example: I don't care about 'privacy' issues, because nowadays you can run, but nowhere to hide.
Android has become much much more mature than you guys think. It has all kinds of features already that other OS's still lacks.
There is no need to bash an OS, just because it's not your taste.
Don't get me wrong; I used Maemo 5 and 6 with much love, but that is history of now. People need to move on. We have Sailfish OS and Maemo-Leste, but both of them are still not mature enough for many people to be a replacement of a daily driver.

Some people like BMW i8's, while others love Tesla Model S's. And well, there are still people who loves Lada's. Tastes and colors cannot be argued, everyone loves their own things.

Some people just loves iOS because of the simplicity of it.
Some people loves Android because you have more freedom compared to iOS, yet still very accessible for their apps.
Some people loves other OS's, just because they only need the few things that the OS offers.


Maemo.org has a nice community and lets keep it that way.
<3

Edit:
At the end, this device is probably going to help us all who wants a hardware keyboard:
- Some will use Android
- Some will flash some other OS over it.

Liangchen, thank you for all the hard work <3
Many people waited a decade for this

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This would be Great! Stream and chat etc... ACP, Zoom, S4B etc...

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You're missing the point.
AFAIAC (and I'd wager I'm not the only one), the problem with Google (and by obvious extension, Android) is not about whether their products are mature, stable, nor that they have whatever features other OSes don't (or the other way around).
It's definitely not a matter of taste either...

The problem is more of philosophical and ethical nature.
Let's not forget Google makes its money with all the data they gather from... just about everywhere.
This absorption is built-in at the core of Android's structure (and every website and service Google has its tentacles in).
The philosophical conundrum is thus: are we OK with them gathering and exploiting so many data about us (some of them they do warn about, but there's more than just those) ?
Do we actually care (or even know) about it ?
If we don't, is it because we don't have the technological knowledge to do something about it, or because we only want to use the tools everybody is using, because it's easier no matter what the effect on our liberties is ?
If we do care, are we doing anything about it ?
Against it ?
Is it even possible, or do we just submit, because the battle is already lost, so we might as well give in ?

Of course all of this is about privacy.
Speaking of which...

It seems like you've yielded already.
Yet, just because it's definitely not easy (or even completely possible) to hide, doesn't mean we have to surrender and obediently bask in the joy of using every tool they throw at us.
Alternatives exist, but of course when it comes to social apps/programs, the problem is convincing other people to try something else.
For some other tools, you can block js, or even sites/domains/whatnot that are constantly being phoned to for the sole benefit of the companies.

To get Goldwin's law out of the way, if all people just chose not to fight anymore, most of us would be raising their right arm on a regular basis...
Obviously the fight is not the same, but the one we have now is quite the insidious one nonetheless.

You don't have to fight actively, every single day, all-day long, but even a modicum of concern is better than doing nothing while the world is definitely not going in the right direction for regular citizens.

I encourage each and everyone here (and beyond) to check The Hated One's channel on... Youtube (which is ironic in its own right, but I suppose that's how you reach the masses).
I'm not advocating that everything he says is gospel, but at least he cites his sources, which is always a good thing.

For anyone actually not caring about privacy, or just wondering what the fuss is all about, at least watch this video.



No argument there ;)

Yet, to rerail the thread a bit more, my interest in the Pro1 is two-fold: HWKB (because I loved that with the N900), and a real open Linux-based OS (because I guess you've figured my position about Android by now :D).
I'm glad SFOS is being worked on for the Pro1, and that Leste may happen as well, but as much as I want to support Chen for attempting this, I won't commit to buying it if it ultimately only works on Android (or some unfinished or not fully usable FOSS/OS).

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My eyes opened to that about 15 years ago in a single act of revelation. It took all of about 30 seconds. Almost all of it to gather the background information and a split second to put two and two together.

It took place in the corridor of a company I was visiting for a job interview. I was sitting on a bench waiting to be called for the next stage of the interview when two guys in suits, presumably working for this company, were passing by and, ignoring me, discussed some business matters. One of them mention in passing, like it was a normal, everyday thing, that they bought a database of searches about their company from Google and then adjusted some wording on their website according to the results. For example, because "free" came up in the search queries 10x more often than "evaluation", so they changed "download our evaluation software" to "download our free software".

Two things hit me over the head at the time:

1. "Free" is not the same as "evaluation", so what they did was, IMO, cheating.
2. But even more crucially, Google makes money by selling what people are searching for, thus enabling this kind of cheating. What's more, what you are buying can be tailored to your wishes, as in this example when they bought a search database filtered by certain criteria. If this kind of filtering is possible, what other things Google gathers about you to do other kind of preprocessing?

Those two points flashed through my head in a split second and I had my lightbulb moment. Before that, I was just an ordinary sheep like everyone else. I treated Google like everyone else - like the Best Search Engine Ever™, not giving a second thought about what is really going on.

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Yup...
It is a few issues with Android.
Privacy being one...and Googles data collection practices...(and sure one can run but not hide...that isn't the issue...the issue is every time one uses any service with data collection...your "digital doppelganger" gets more fleshed out...and you get more sucked in...more and more "suggestions" for news...shopping ...everything...starts focusing more and more specifically aimed at what your past choices are ...whether a curiousity search...random searching...or deliberate...it means that what ever you choose ends up becoming a macro ..a magnified glass of delivered advertising ...it isn't a true reflection of the choices available...if you have an odd craving for some chocolate ..and look up belgian chocolate ...after that algorithms start serving up chocolate and everything attributed to it.
Sorry ...guys...but that is plain and simple...evil. )
There are other options concerning data collection ...and google....for that matter.
Second it is about trust...and I just cannot trust an entity like google to have my best interests at their core belief.
Especially not ...considering the previously stated issue.
And lastly ...Android has some good stuff...yes.
They are tentacled into much of day to day living and business...there is a great integration there...
But their app store is a hot mess of 9/10 ths garbage.
Still that 1/10 th remaining .....is still a decent stack of apps.

In the end android ...for the time being...is convenient for daily...
Thats it.
Nothing more.

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We may not be able to blame google directly for starting some things...
But their algorithmic methods of doing things is such that ...doing something as harmless as looking up some of those belgian chocolates a sudden inexplicable craving brought on...ends up with an endless digital line of google waiters rushing to you to serve up plate upon plate of not just belgian chocolate ..but every other possible type of chocolate ...and doesn't stop there...then it is all the articles that suddenly appear concerning how chocolate is good for your health ...bad for your health...then the various sketchy news articles start showing up...
Someone killed someone else over a box of chocolates...
Someone ate too much and died...
Or useless pap such as the most expensive chocolates...
And it can easily escalate to chocolate undies...or marital aids...
And much worse...
Conspiracy theories surrounding chocolate...

Google and their algorithms to give us more of what we were just curious about...to the point of choking us with it...
Is far past being predatory ...data collection.. driven.
Far past trying to keep us all consuming more of what we really didn't ask for...
Far past being evil ...even...I would hazard to say...

What they are doing is skewing...distorting ...narrowing ...the view of the world, news, data and the information available...
Toward a myopic distorted twisted mirror of the self viewing the medium.
The experience ...more and more is (and this is NOT an opinion..) is akin to an LSD trip gone bad.
Where looking at a beautiful butterfly landing on one's hand turns into focus of the hand, turns to focus of the creases of the hand, turns to the nearest blemish anywhere on the hand , and exploits it into an all consuming ...all spreading cancer.
That...
Is what googles algorithms are making us all focus on...
An unnatural and carcinogenic endless Mandelbrot ..

We can blame the fanning of the flames of alt right nutbars, outraged alt left protesters, flat earthers, anti vaxxers, extremists, terrorists...
you name the group ...
and google aids and abets...
It just feeds them more of what they want to see..

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Easy answer for you, don't give in to temptations. Targeted ads are nothing new and have been around for decades. I could care less if Google knows what I'm interested in, because it's what I'm interested in. If I was going to buy something anyway, sometimes the ads are helpful in finding what I want. Typically I use ad block so I don't see the majority of ads. And even if I do see ads it doesn't affect what I buy. They could give me ads about Pepsi forever, that doesn't mean I'm going to buy soda or have cravings for it. Privacy is a touchy subject for many but I'm not afraid if Google knows what I would spend money on. And honestly if you're a savvy consumer the ads are useless 95% of the time. I can find better deals shopping around myself
But I digress we're way off topic here. Maybe we should start a new thread if we want to discuss OS pros and cons

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If there would be one thread with the name "The Cage". If under some topic feelings are gettig heated or people start to fight about some off topic subject you could just post "To the cage" and the conversation could continue over there and thread would stay cleaner. Just a thought. The interesting hot subject could go on without need for anyone to stop it.

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Bravo gtmaster303!

Thank you for proving just how well algorithmic prompting works.
Just as myopically you focused on the least and seemingly most harmless attribute I mentioned...shopping...and magnified it to the complete exclusion of all the other far more serious issues surrounding my post...
Issues, symptoms, problems and ills ...which I might add ...are simply poison to individuals and society collectively...
Writing is on the wall on this one..
Without such algorithmic engines.. Hate groups can't mobilize effectively, or terrorists...or anti-vaxxers spread falsehood and recruit more to the point where measles is back...
Measles is Back!

thank those who are just trying to give you more of what you want by way of "suggestions"...

But its all ok...
you are a savvy consumer.

...it isn't about me or anyone else falling in to temptation...
this is about far worse than that...
far more insidious.

I suggest perhaps a more solid argument ...than the one you've given ...
in response to what I actually posted.

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Great idea Maemish
Why not post that suggestion in every thread ?
Better a header ...or perhaps at the front page of the site.

I think off topic is the place for off topic talk....isn't it?
hence the title "off topic"

And please...
there isn't a soul in this forum who stays "on topic"...everyone goes off or derails or meanders...here...
Including you Maemish.
So it is a little much out of you at the present.

Please ..
for the love of broccoli ...
Go throw stones inside your own glass house Maemish.

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So any news on the date for the London meet? Worried I missed it amongst the google hate...

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Missed the point bad endsormeans. I like those offroad tracks in conversations and like to follow them but they always get stopped by you or someone else. Just tried to make room for them.

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Android hate ?
Ans: no glibc, instead using bionic, killing Linux compatibility with Android (kernels, etc).

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So well put, so many good points! Thanks for sharing the video channel. Though ironic that he doesn't have an RSS feed or a non google host of his video, just saying ;).

I see many people in my life who see a fight for privacy and think it's too inconvenient, so they don't even try. Or don't see the long term picture of how it WILL effect them in the future.

So I appreciate your well said and none combative statement on the matter. Cheers mate

x

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First...
There isn't any android hate out of me...
I said android's store is a hot mess...and 1/10 of the apps are worth the time

I never said hate...
Google, Facebook all of their ilk ...is insidious ....Evil Genius ...even...yes...
But I don't hate google.
and I don't hate android.
I use it..
prefer it over iphone
couldn't do what I need done daily ...on the current state of alt os's ...
Apart from work and business...
Its Linux for me.

But never said hate..

as far as the pitiful stab at misdirection to cow or make others defend a position you are attributing them with...which I don't think anyone used the words hate or inferred it.

Instead ...suicidal_orange,,,
why not go down to your local Starbucks...
buy a Latte ...
and impress people with your astounding ability which is so absolutely normal, common and low ...
I am sure they will admire your wit.


@ Maemish...
As far as being a voice of reason or sanity or civil behaviour or even intelligent non-Trump-esque dialogue here ....in this forum ...
on that ....I absolutely give up.
This place has degenerated from intelligent dialogue and intelligent argument
to ...at best...off topic derailment to baseless insinuations and accusations to complete Horse Blinder-ed vision to what others are even saying, taking only what they wish to from another's full statement,...
into a cesspool..
I respect good intelligent counter argument(s) ...
But I won't play freakin' "Hall Monitor" to such low and pitiful attempts at comebacks....
Instead I will simply tear them apart with words.

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So after hearing that did you

a. Walked out
b. took the job
c. Immediately started using foss search (probably did exist back then)
d. other (fill in the blank)

:D

x

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I've got to say I'm a little disappointed that it was not mention here (perhaps I missed it) That Fx pro was in NYC!!!! And that they were on the twit show "all about android"! Fx talk starts around the 37min mark.

Anyway great to see the product getting around.

x

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Why hate android? There are reasons to dislike it, and there is no need to repeat them.

But in case of small batch startup trying to build smartphone/UMPC there is no alternative. It gives smaller companies an ability to build something different without wasting limited resources on ecosystem development. Like it or not but it's almost impossible to do day to day stuff without iOS/Android smartphone. We are currently in duopoly of iOS and Android, and the first one isn't available for general public.

Sailfish isn't ready as an alternative yet, others are just geek toys(that we like), or running on life support to fulfill corporate contacts.

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I will say that it's entirely depend on your needs, right.

So for me my n900 with Maemo, fills all my needs. I don't do social and never need most of the 3rd party apps that lock you into the iOS/Android eco. I do miss everyone using Skype and me just being able to video chat with most people.

However we the consumer have helped to allow these 2 companies be a duopoly.

x

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You took it to the wrong point.

The topic is about upcoming qwerty-keyboard phone and there's no way that it could be released without Android.