Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

lol that doesn't make sense, I've never followed any brand I've bought things from... it doesn't go that way.
And actually, if you look at the number of people that knew about android when they launched their first device (and jolla isn't even at that point), it's certainly not a good predictor of sales.

Not saying sales will be very high. Just that mass market awareness before press and product release is not a good indicator of anything.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

That's a good point. Where JollaMobile devices will be sod?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

well...I never heard the names Oppo and Docomo. And you are not polite of accusing me to be a troll just because I take the majority point of view instead of the nerds one.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Time for repost of on of the few 1vs1 from Jussi for all new users around here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLdClPQpiHA

I like that he looks a bit sad when he saying : "I don't know what was burning"

Start saving money now!

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Waiting...

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

trolling :rolleyes:

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I have little faith in Jolla. if they are responsible for the N9 flop, why would you expect them to do better. N900 is great, because it was a culmination of many years of maemo devices, and N9 was 3 steps back. its laggy, email sucks, at times non-responsive, fonts are not adjustable, browser sucks, SMS would mix up contacts, swipe makes you dizzy. i just dont see Jolla leadership as disciplined enough to put out a modern UI. they may have an innovation or two, but what good is it when basic things dont perform well!! all in all I dont see a winning team. i see enthusiastic and undisciplined yahoos that will produce inferior products.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

your judgment is clouded by the evil empire.
Im pleased to read its very likely you dont buying a jolla phone. get your 920 and stat there.

jolla will float. Just wait and ser.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

The problem is they have taken the N9 as the model device, when the model device must be the N900!! yes N9 is three steps back from N900 but still better than android so far. I don't have little faith in Jolla too but if you want a true linux device will be jolla or nothing, so there is no choice.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Talk less.
Code more.

another troll to add to the ignore list....:rolleyes:

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

The question is what sells best in the world of today!

Great Talk!
Great Code!

I say you need both!

another troll to add to ignore list..:rolleyes:

Edit: Damn it, can't add myself to ignore list :(

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

We shall see what happens when they announce the phone and the OS

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

yes, cant wait. Bit I expect they push as long as possible. Expect December. Release next year.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Thanks for the weekend LOLZ
Literally laughed out loud at this..

If I called you a troll, all the other trolls would bark at me in indignation

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I do agree with you, I would take as much time as I can to polish the product. Make sure it works without any issues or major bugs.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I dont think Jolla is capable of that. I have yet to see evidence that they can code idiot proof phones

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

So are you implying you have seen their prototypes but not seen evidence of those phones being idiot proof? Common Lumiaman, they said they will announce towards the end of the year...Reserve your judgement till then...Remember the main reason they came out was due to the swell of sadness when pr1.3 was released...It was a perfect marketing opportunity for them as when somebody is sad give him an inch of hope and he will be on your side...

Imagine if there was no Jolla news till they actually announce the product wouldn't a number of users already graviate towards the newer phones that are being released? Now those people will wait for Jolla before making up their minds...What they have done is ensure that they have a good chance among the existing n9-fans...This way achieving their initial target of 100,000 devices sold to secure further funding from whoever is backing them would become much easier...

Look at it from a pure business p.o.v and you would see what the have done is portray themselves as a phoenix rising from the ashes and as long as they get a product that matches even 75% of what reasonable people expect from them they have given themselves a solid chance to progress to the next stage...

Sometimes you need to take the blinkers off from the features, usability, fanboism, legacy kind of things and you will realize that from a ruthless business p.o.v they have been bang-on! [Something Nokia really needs to learn]


Edit: And on the secrecy they are maintaining is just to ensure their legend grows and the curiosity levels don't drop...Seriously, you can't expect a world-beater from a new start-up so any further info till the announcement might be portrayed in a way whereby the enthusiasm levels of people actually taper off...Imaging a higly-pumped announcement event with a firm release date and pre-orders soon open from announcement...What would you achieve? Surely many many people would pre-order just due to them being fans...Even if the features are not top-notch the adrenaline would push their sales to that 100k target...


Edit2: Lastly, if you see what Jolla is doing is more Apple and less Nokia-esque...Announce a product, build the hype beforehand and as long as the product is good enough but not the best it will sell...And ensure little to no leaks of the product months before announcement unlike Nokia...

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I am all for giving an underdog their chance. I will be the first one to buy the product. Hell, I have probably bought more NOKIA products than even the biggest fans here. However, I am trying also to be realistic. You and I know that it takes multiple itinerations to develop a good product. Look at N900, it was a great product because it was a culmination of experiences with several previous maemo devices. Jolla leadership was involved with N9, and we know that N9 has many downfalls. It is really not a stable OS for idiot proof use, as compared to other OSs. If Jolla has a completely new UI, you very well know their first product will not be polished. Of course, I would be very happy if it is, but given the history of Jolla leadership involvement with N9, I have my doubts. That is all I am expressing. I am looking at the history of previous products this group was involved, and I am on the fence. Even Quim here quipped on his tweeter that he hopes they learn from their previous mistakes. I hope so too!

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I agree that N900 and N9 are not idiot proof. Some how, WP & iOS did a better job in developing idiot proof OS. Android is not that great in this respect.

Fortunately, I am not looking for an idiot proof phone/OS. I am looking for a real smart phone that respects open standards.

I don't care it sells millions a day. I am sure, if Jolla will come up with a real "Smart" phone, there will be enough people to buy it.

No phone will ever sell like iPhone. WP will be like, "Man, I am stupider than iOS, but I can't find much fan boys. What did I do wrong". I think all the stupid people already bought iPhone and they are its fan boys. Look at the pre-order for iPhone5. It is a couple years old technology, but it is idiot proof.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I understand your doubts...

What I am simply saying is that optimism/pessimism is actually misplaced...I for one am simply neutral to Jolla's prospects...If they get a good enough product out I'll be in line to buy it...If they don't well they can go and die for all I care...I'm not their shareholder/financer to care about their prospects neither am I related to any of their employees to care about their successes...Yes, its good the FOSS community gets carried over in their form but if they can't do a good enough job they don't deserve to succeed...

The hard truth is they would need more than one iteration to make a good product and this hype they have generated is mainly to ensure that the second round of funding is secured by achieving that 100k target...

On them learning from the n9's mistakes...Well the n9 was handled by a relatively mixed group of people...The people in there ranged from the lazy a**es to those "hackers" who thought they were geniuses and real geniuses...Don't forget within Nokia there is never a black and white...A product has always been created with compromises involved on both the hardware and software fronts...See even the Lumia 920 is a compromise; no micro-SD slot for one...This is something why Nokia has always been known as the gentle giant; they are not ruthless enough in a single department...

I think with Jolla we will not see much compromises in the UX part but in the build quality, hardware etc where $$$ matters more than most...The UX part and usability issues would be fixed if those who followed them were not the lazy a**es and "hackers"...Now who exactly followed them is something open to speculation as you and me don't know who exactly fell in those two groups...


Edit: If you are ruthless and frank even the n900 was not perfect...The internals' compromise was horrific for one and its due to it being a niche the real-world problems are not amplified...Can you imagine if the n900 sold in huge volumes...You would get malware attacks, people releasing apps that wipe out your user data etc as it has zero protection...I like the n9 but I would be the first to admit the implementation of aegis was half-hearted...They had to implement something to gain commercial devs but due to the abandonment it wasn't tuned well enough...

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

www.jolla.com is alive!

Can't be long now...

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Love my script-blocker :D the joke's on you


@LumiaMan

I am quite sure that Jolla first release will not smooth and the there will be bugs and what not. BUT if they work closely with the community and listen to what we got to say and take our feedback properly. I think Jolla could go far.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Jolla going along the road with Qt and qml. So you could use C++. But what about python?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

It's been mentioned by stkeeps/others several times here/elsewhere that Python's supported in MeR/Nemo, so it's likely that it'll also be supported in Jolla.
Why do you ask, is Python support important for some app/s you have in mind?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

lots of things have been said about jolla here/elsewhere but very few have been confirmed.

Python is support is important because many cool applications using python. Plus, its easier for my brain to comprehend.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Python support is a given in almost every single Linux distro so why fret?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

sure, but you never know. Might be my concern about lack of real communication channels from Jolla.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Ah so this is just another way asking for more information from Jolla..

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Not at all, that is just answer of your latest question.

for my question. read my first question a few post above,

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Python support in MeR/Nemo = Python support in Jolla, PERIOD.
Tell you what, how about we place a bet on it, $20 sound okay?
Please elaborate on these "many cool apps that use Python".
And please elaborate on what you mean by "it's easier for my brain to comprehend".
Do you have a project in mind, is that why you want Python?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Really?
A co. that 1st revealed itself about 3mth ago (& only started their 1st efforts about 12mth ago), & has only ever said they'll reveal more about their product/plans this yr*
Ah the Twitter age...... :rolleyes:

*i.e. anywhere from now to Dec 31st.

You're only a n00b, you've barely used either device, despite your claims to the contrary, you've never been anything more than massive MS fanboy.*
People can already see right through you, they only need to look at your history, & the regular bans you bring on yourself...
Harmattan is a culmination (some argue rightfully/wrongly it took the wrong approach in some areas) of the work that went into preceding Maemo iterations.
It shares most of the same lower layers & middle-ware, only the upper-most layers are different, but even then there's many similarities/evolutions.
The fact that you don't understand this, speaks volumes as-to-how clueless you are....

*there's nothing wrong with appreciating/liking WP/MS, but you go way beyond that.

You've got to be kidding me, you really haven't used Fremantle all that much have you...
Are you really trying to suggest it was somehow far more slick/polished than Harmattan?
It was/is better in many ways, but more stability/usability certainly is NOT one of them, esp. in it's 1st year, not a chance in hell.
And the people involved in shaping iterations of Maemo before Harmattan, were the same people involved in Harmattan!
Nah, you're not an authority in this area, sorry.....

I think it's about time from me to unsubscribe from this thread, it's pointless until we have much more hard info & announcements.
And that probably won't arrive until December, or it may even be delayed a bit, that wouldn't surprise me, being a tiny start-up etc.
Happy boredom following this thread peeps, peace out! ;-)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

You seems to be a bit grumpy to day, why is that i wonder.
I don't doubt you i just don't take things I read on forums for granted either. Seems to be a bad bet to me. the odds are against me.
I like python more than c++.
you know its severa cool python projects available. the one i'm using right now is Saera.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

No not grumpy at all, it seems you misread me :confused: Not bet then? Okay cool, let just wait & see...
You can say "I told you so" if it doesn't arrive in some capacity, & likewise so can I if the opposite happens ;)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Well instead of betting on $ you could always bet on Dave taking out his thank you signature which on almost every thread raises questions by newbies...

OTOH, if jalyst loses he is forced to add to his singature for 1 week: "I was beaten by chief-troll Dave999" :p

Fair?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Deal, I also don't beleive in a jolla device until I see it. so there you also have a chance to tell me " I told you so".
This whole jolla thing could still be one big master trolling thing.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Dude, it's real thanks, how the **** do you think I managed to get over 1300 thanks for my carppy posts?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

With all due respect, you don't seem able to understand that the Meego team had many constraints imposed on them - they weren't able to develop the N9 in a 'perfect world'. The fact managed to get the N9 out at all was an achievement in itself. You compare the resources apple/microsoft/google provide to their OS divisions and compare that with what the MeeGo team had. You need to be fair and reasonable with your judgements, man

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Yes and pigs fly... :p

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I'm happy to partake in that, someone has to remember the pact though, as all this coming to fruition (or not) is some time away!

Nothing wrong with skepticism, there's a good chance that a Jolla ph never arrives, or does but is totally horrid -overall.
It's very hard for start-ups to get enough momentum to stick around longer-term, that's their challenge/dilemma.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I volunteer to remember the pact :p

Dave so the bet is on, ok?