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I feel like Nokia is trying pretty hard with the Microsoft partnership (at least in the US). They've issued firmware updates and are quickly addressing problems. So I believe they are making their best effort with what they have.

Do I think it was a good idea to partner with Microsoft, probably not. Should have waited until at least Windows 8 for features that are more on par with other OSes.

As for Symbian and Meego being let go, I don't see it as a bad thing. The company was spending way too much money developing for those platforms. They had to develop the core OS and on top of that they spent money developing applications for it because hardly any third party developers chose their platform. What they probably should have done is cut back on application development and focused just on the core OS and increase spending in advertising like they are doing with the Lumia in the US.

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Symbian IS great. It is the greatest mobile OS ever to have existed. It is being surpassed right now by - Android. By any definition of greatness (commercially) Boy there are some dead enders here, who still profess that symbian is great. Yes, it was great, 5 years ago. 5 years is a lifetime. Move on. Symbian IS DEAD. there have been two mobile OS'es: Symbian and Android. Everything ELSE is crap. :D

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And how is that working for them???

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They could have cut staff for Symbian, and then moved some over to Meego to speed things up - China mobile was throwing their support behind Meego. This is one of, if not, the biggest markets in the world

What makes no sense is this thing of ecosystems. Elop said they were moving to Windows Phond because it could be the 3rd eco system. But WP8 will use a different Kernel, and hence everything will need to be rewritten - so essentially, the eco system will be starting from scratch

THIS, makes no sense at all. Should have stuck with Meego

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Lumia 610 still won't be a turning point even if it is priced the same as low end Androids or Symbian phones. The OS is inferior compared Android or Symbian. There is too much dependence on having a PC with Zune and a data connection to do daily stuff. Zune cannot even be installed on a PC or laptop with no internet connection.

Nokia doesn't control the hardware or OS of WP7. Hardware specs are set by MS. Nokia is trapped once they embraced WP7. What's hard to understand is why they chose to tie their fate to WP7 in the first place.

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Word is getting out, people are at least talking about it. I see them promoting it on the Today show, Extra, throwing tons of commercials out. The onslaught of commercials and advertising (from what I noticed) just started about 3 weeks ago. I'll give them some more time to see how their advertising blitz worked out for them, in the meantime I won't say it's a success or a failure.

I feel like they didn't advertise Meego or the Nokia smartphone brand at all. I saw no mention of tech blogs picking it up. It was basically all word of mouth, which is never a successful way to promote something.

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Thankfully, Android already has excellent built-in support for multiple screens--you just need the hardware and the software to take advantage of it (there's already a few dual-screen devices and programs out there that take advantage of that). You CAN use game controllers--that's already been the case for a long time (I've been using a Wiimote myself, my brother prefers his PS3-like BT game controller made especially for Android/iPhone).. the power supplies aren't a problem, though. These 4/5-core Tegra 3 processors use less power than previous generations (that was the BIG selling point for Tegra 3 in particular, remember? That's why it can even claim a 5th core--the 5th is specifically for idle, slow apps to sip ever-so-slowly in the background) and the power supplies tend to come with the device, if you wish to remain plugged in. It would appear that you have been out of the loop a little, probably, yes.

As the article linked above states: "As to how a quad-core processor ends up with lower power consumption than a dual-core chip, this is because the quad-core will typically finish the task earlier and hence go into power-saving mode sooner. This results in a lower overall power draw." You should especially read the section titled, "It's even better for gaming." It's hardly new info, this stuff, and upcoming processors for Androids appears to be only faster and more efficient--enough that ARM's are starting to become attractive for servers, now. Check the buzz on it. It's getting pretty interesting!

Unless the whole point is for Elop to get in, ruin the company and then start selling off the valuable assets to Microsoft in the name of trying to help keep Nokia afloat. Then, once the company is stripped of all its valuable assets, finally let it just die off quietly and in that barely-remembered obscurity of brands that people sometimes mention and people react with a 'OH YEAH! I remember them! Wow! What ever happened to that brand/company/etc?" Just my theory, mind you.

People are at least TALKING about it the way they TALKED about everything from Zune HD to previous Windows Mobile devices all the way to Microsoft Bob (anybody remember all those horrible MS Bob commercials and those free fake Bob glasses they used to hand out as a promotion back in 1995?). Paying people to talk about it isn't the same as people liking it and it's especially not the same as people BUYING it with their own money. So far, the Lumia in the US has only managed to "sell" in decent numbers by effectively being free or nearly free right at launch day. If Microsoft or Nokia would release actual numbers of activations or end-customer purchases so we can see how well it ACTUALLY sold and how it's been trending since release day, I'm pretty confident that those numbers wouldn't look good. We'll probably never see those numbers. For that matter, far more people are talking about Android EVERY DAY (since there are a LARGE number of manufacturers constantly putting out another awesome new device every month). With that rapid pace of evolution, the talk about Lumia fades pretty fast and it had already lagged behind on specs on release day already and it's looking worse every day.

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Just to point out the obvious, I said that calling Microsoft irrelevant was premature. It doesn't mean that it's absolutely wrong, it means that it's too early. It's too early because the desktop market is still important, and it's too early because Microsoft has more money than ever to throw into research and marketing. Yes, it's true that the mobile market is growing like crazy, but Microsoft still have resources to turn things around and cannot be called irrelevant.

Neither could Nokia, up until suicide day.

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It's a shame that Nokia didn't take advantage of the far more technical, enthusiastic and hopeful Internet Tablet Talk crowd that formed here and the community that formed about Maemo by releasing an actual OPEN SOURCE operating system.

It's amazing what a company can achieve when it fosters true participation without deceiving their community about the potential for openness the way Nokia treated the Maemo community, customers and partners.

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This entire discussion is getting quite old in the tooth. Every second thread just ends as another rehash.

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To put it another way?
http://pleco.org/heh/dead_horse.jpg

You have to admit, though.. with Maemo dead and no new devices and with Nokia effectively putting a stop to anything interesting to this community, there's not a whole lot else to talk about except how we got here and where things are headed. ...Repeatedly talking about it. :)

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Lighting your own platform on fire to avoid peeing your pants... That never gets old.

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If Nokia wants to see their shares go up they should go back to selling rubber boots. I mean with global warming, rising tides, etc. I know, not funny, but true.

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Wow really? That's a bit like saying Microsoft isn't a software company because they make the Xbox, let's just ignore how Nokia reached it's peak shall we, it was obviously hardware alone that got them to that position, hardware that magically works with no software, fairies were behind Symbian and then Maemo/Meego all along.
You might want to send that burning developer memo to what's left of the Nokia devs as well since they missed that one, they were imagining their jobs all along.

Between this and all the ridiculous Taliban comments, I have to quote the great Frankie Boyle, you constantly remind me of this......

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Speaking of how we got here, and repeatedly talking about it, here's the Forbes article cBeam was alluding to if anyone else wants to see it.
Oops! Five CEOs Who Should Have Already Been Fired (Cisco, GE, WalMart, Sears, Microsoft)

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You heard it from Lumiaman! Open up all that source code you aren't keeping close to the vest, Nokia! You're NOT a software company! Stop with all that softwaring and give it to the community! :)

To continue the theme of beating a dead horse, the best and most relevant thing said in the article:

"So today Microsoft, after dumping Zune, dumping its tablet, dumping Windows CE and other mobile products, is still the same company Mr. Ballmer took control over a decade ago. Microsoft is PC company, nothing more, as demand for PCs shifts to mobile. Years late to market, he has bet the company on Windows 8 – as well as the future of Dell, HP, Nokia and others. An insane bet for any CEO – and one that would have been avoided entirely had the Microsoft Board replaced Mr. Ballmer years ago with a CEO that understands the fast pace of technology shifts and would have kept Microsoft current with market trends."

Well said, Adam Hartung. Well said.

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He is just stating the obvious by scratching the surface, he is not telling anything, it is just a rant. The PC business is still a lucrative business for MS. Just because a new industry emerges doesn't mean the "old" industry is not lucrative anymore. When "everyone else" jumps on the mobile bandwagon, this means that MS's position within PC is strengthen even further.

What should frighten Ballmer, is that the mobile industry starts eating into the PC industry. What is the best strategy fighting that? Throw away everything and go mobile, or try to strengthen your existing technology and grip on the market?

If the soon to come future is a world where a phone has all the computing power you need, then MS is in trouble. But what is the chances of this kind of future? In the future we will see more computers, not less. Just because a phone can do most of the things you need today, doesn't mean that a more powerful device can do much more, and do things that are impossible today.

Personally I think that mobile devices will take over most of the everyday needs. This has more or less happened already. But gaming for instance. This requires a big screen, a huge sound system, input devices etc etc.

I think Android will take over for MS. They will take over the traditional PC. They will do this, not because they are good in mobile devices, but because they will make better PC solutions than MS could ever do. Deep down I think Ballmer knows this, and I think he knows that there is nothing MS can do to prevent it. They can give them a good fight, that's all.

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That hardware company was still able to make much advanced mobile OS than Microsoft:D

Let's wait few years if WP catches up Harmattan OS. If WP users are lucky enough, they might even get a skype client that works!

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if us WP users are lucky enough we might even get a 4th button that when pressed shoots poison darts into our eyes so we can't look at other phones and wish we had them.

In all honesty, the only people that like my lumia is girls, however they won't buy one because all the guys they know have BBM.

So I can't see the lumia being to good with my generation (just turned 18). Which is we're they needed to target to get their brand recognition back.

Just from over hearing things the general views are

BB, break way to easy, but have BBM
Android, slow and sluggish on older models, however people love the amount of apps and think that bigger is better. Oh and they all think its better than IOS because its UI is intuitive
Apple, this is regarded as the snob phone. People who have these are the ones that care too much about their image, or are for parents that aren't great with technology.
Nokia, good cameras, old, outdated. Only buy them if you want a phone that is just a phone.
If you bring up n9 they just try to justify buying there phone (like everyone would), bring up n900 they all say 'you mean your old block phone? Yeah that was pretty amazing'

Maybe you should take a read of the next working generations views before you commit to buying Nokia stocks. It seems pretty bleak, and it was already dismal before that.

Also, if anyone foolishly wants to trade an n9 for my lumia then let me know.

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IMO the mobile world changed when he iPhone came.

Pre iPhone: Everyone used dumb phones. Nokia was quality. (Sony) Ericsson was design. Samsung was junk along with other junk. All of the phones were easy to use. Smartphones was for geeks and enthusiasts.

Post iPhone: Everybody "needs" a smartphone, but smartphones has changed meaning to apps and facebook - phone. Dumb phones are still popular, cheap and simple and solid.

Today: Nokia is gone. Samsung is the new Nokia. Android is the new Symbian. iPhone is the new top of the line dumb phone. Android is both geeky and for the masses.

That is the main thing. The mobile world is a different one, and Nokia is lost in it.

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Pre iPhone there was blackberry and Nokia communicators, which I wouldn't call dumbphones.

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They didn't have to be lost though. Imagine an N10 with dual core processor, swipe UI, 41 megapixel camera with hdmi out, full app support (which was very possible given the hype the n9 had) etc etc. THAT would be a phone to beat

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But still, almost nobody would buy it because it was too expensive, and because it had that tainted name NOKIA printed on it.

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The way Samsung is doing it is what Nokia should have done.

Samsung released state of the art hardware; Samsung Galaxy S3. They they practically let users to choose what OS they want to run it with: Android, WP8 or Tizen:
http://www.planetinsane.com/tizen-de...xy-s3/2631787/

But no. Nokia went and signed exclusive restricting contract with Microsoft and basically is Microsoft's own dirty lumia now. A test bed for Microsoft to try one last time.

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Oh, really? Have you ever heard about a phone called Nokia N95? Yes, the one that was released before the original iPhone was and that was much, much smarter than it in every definition of the word.

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That's the problem. The N95 was a great phone for its time. But the follow-up, the N97 started the downward spiral of bad responses to iOS, Android, et al.

Also, the N95 had anemic memory - out of memory errors was quite frequent. Great phone, plagued with issues that should have been easy to work out in later iterations, but Nokia just didn't capitalize in ways that we'd now consider via hindsight as proactive and effective.

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As I said, smartphones was used by geeks and enthusiasts. The N95 was probably an exception along with the E series. But back in 05-07 the smartphone market share was 5-10%. Today it is 60-80% in Europe at least.

There were lots of smartphones around. HTC, Palm, Motorola, SE even Samsung had a few.

The iPhone changed all that. Then came Android and shook up everything. That was the point. The branch of smartphones that the N95 belonged to suddenly was irrelevant. It's not about being smarter, it's about focusing on what the general public want. That is apps and facebook, twitter etc, large screens with snappy UX.

The last classical smartphone will be the 808 PureView. Even though it lacks a HW keyboard, it got everything else (FM rx/tx, USB2go, HDMI), even a classical OS with real multitasking, and a kick *** camera.

The 808 and a Google branded tablet and I will be happy for a looong time (at least a year :D )

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http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...84H00X20120518
enough said

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Wait a minute... wasn't the Handspring Treo (later, the Palm Treo) and Windows Mobile around for a LONG, LONG, long time (about 10 years ago?) before the iPhone? Didn't they run installable applications and access the Internet over carrier connections and even browsed with HTML browsers? (I seem to remember using the Blaze web browser on my Palm devices).

Caaaareful now. :)

Yup! It was the typical customer service and quality we've come to expect after a device was made and put out there on the market. EVERY.. SINGLE... TIME... they do this same dance. Put it out there.. and QUICKLY move to the next thing without fixing problems in the last device and abandon those customers as rudely as possible (read: WONTFIX). heh

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Oh, Palm. File them under "further running". I'd never got around liking the Treo 650. I'd never got around to being comfortable with Graffitti too. Maybe an US specific thing.
Btw the N7650 could install before the Treo. ;)

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Back to topic. What's the latest on NOK stock now?

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the funniest thing is nokia force them employer to buy lumia with half-priced, thats weird, its happened here in Indonesia

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Seems they'll market it as different products, though, so almost but not quite the same as I suggested in my signature link.

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HAHAHAHAHAHA This is REALLY insane readed this Swedish media:

https://www.avanza.se/aza/press/news...cleId=N1905330

(I Am to lazy get the source but fill in if you will....

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Hmmm

WP larger than iOS :eek: Seriously :)

http://www.gsmarena.com/wp_reportedl...-news-4268.php

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Yup, and in a market where smartphone sales are headed to overtake US numbers this year.
Enough said.

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Article linked by Tomi on twitter says the combined shares of Nokia is now worth less than the assets. Basically buying and killing Nokia is now directly profitable.

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But there is that restricting contract between Nokia and Microsoft, which includes poison pills to the potential buyer. Elop and MS played its cards smart and Nokia general board was sleeping.

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Not surprised. i.e countries Nokia were strong in already, but are now falling behind in. Symbian outsold all others in these countries too but Nokia are still seeing a decrease in sales in these regions and have been overtaken by Samsung in China. Nothing to see here.

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i don't think they were sleeping, i think they were hoping it'd work better :g