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I didn't get an email about the shipment (no, not in the spam folder either). But I did get my TOHKBD. However, the stiff O key is so annoying it spoils the experience. Dirk, do you think it should get better in use? Or is there something I can do to help it?

not typed on my TOHKBD2

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it should get better in time, parts need to settle in place. if not, let me know to figure something out.

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It works quite okay for me, depending on the app. I can take notes easily most of the time, but when I use the browser and connect the keyboard I can only type a few characters before either letters repeat themselves or the keyboard doesn't respond at all.
Sometimes the repetition of letters keeps on going even after the keyboard part is physically disconnected, and I need to reconnect /disconnect it again for the repetition to stop and for the disconnection to be detected.
I suspect this comes from the software as it is definitely much more stable in the notes app. Is there any log somewhere to see what is going on?

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Just to be clear: do you mean the stock browser or some other browser like WebCat or WebPirate?

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Where are these settings you mention? I tried looking around but couldn't find the location where they are set...
I've noticed also some issues with getting multiple chars accidentally (mostly with spacebar but also letters) and I could imagine those could help there. Not to mention the super-speedy backspace which easily can wipe off way too much if kept pressed down a fraction of a second too long since there seems to be some lag at least in some application wrt updating the typed content.

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Same here.

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Both. Also, it doesn't work at all in android apps (all the lights work as expected, it is just that nothing is typed).

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When installing the software, icon "TOHKBD Settings" will be there. You can access those setting by scrolling down in the settings page.

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Aww, didn't look for an application for it, my bad. Thanks.

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Has anyone made custom boston.qmap file for the scandic version of TOHKBD? I'm just wondering if I should start making one but I would like to avoid doing the work if someone already has done it.

Sami

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Findings so far...in order of severity (descending).

1. While some of the keys were fairly unresponsive at first but have gotten better over time, my S key is still very unresponsive; I have to press it properly hard for it to register. K and U are almost as bad. This is my number one worry right now as most of the other annoyances are likely fixable by tweaking the software.

2. Occasionally, a key gets stuck down. No matter what I do short of disconnecting the keyboard (which doesn't always work), I get an endless input of whichever key. So far I've had this happen on several character keys or space, but also backspace (!).
Note: I also sometimes see this with the terminal VKB. When that happens, pressing the stuck key again stops the repetition.

3. Now and then, keyboard stops working until reconnected.

4. Quick consecutive keypresses result in the first character being double-registered. Like, quickly press l then e, result is lle. My repeat delays in the settings are set to the highest possible values, yet this still happens.

5. When performing a Ctrl+a Ctrl+x -combo or similar, I have to lift Ctrl key between pressing a and x; otherwise the second keypress is treated as non-modifier input (select all and "x").

6. The bottom left corner of the keyboard has its own backlight, separate from the rest?
See suggestion at the end of this post

7. When the keyboard is fitted in the same orientation as on the N900 (device rotated 90 degrees to the left), the keyboard blocks flash even when in open position. I then tried rotating the keyboard to the other side, which left the flash led unobstructed, but the display didn't rotate so it was upside down. The landscape lock when keyboard is open is probably the culprit?

Has anyone else encountered these?

Suggestion: shift/Fn function like on the N900
As in, press shift or Fn once and it will apply that modifier to the next keypress (unless the next keypress is the same modifier again which cancels it).
EDIT:
It already seems to have this; pressing Ctrl lights up the left Fn key, pressing Ctrl again turns the light off. While the light is on, the next keypress has Ctrl modifier. Very nice.

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This seems to be the case for the shift key as well: double tap it and it lights up, suggesting that it can be used as a caps lock. No other effect than the light though, so most likely it will be activated with a coming update.

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After OS update, problems came back. Settings were the same.
-extra characters: clicking q: q@@, clicking w:w and two spaces etc.
-pressing o causes all leds turn off, but led between tabs and del keys lights very bright
-using keypad makes the phone unresponsive, boots itself, but boot will not finish, if TOHKBD is attached

etc...


Maybe needs severl reboots to work, who knows...

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In my keyboard buttons z, x, c, v, b, n, m, ?, !, < and > doesn't work. When I push "z" I got "a", "x" gives "s" and "c" gives "d" etc.

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for hardware issues like that mail me at info@funkyotherhalf.com

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Got mine this morning and i thought I'd add my experience sofar, to balance the discussion.
There are some very minor software issues that I assumme will be fixed soon.
Hardware-wise, I love it! For me, everything works great. Insanely cleaver design that feels very solid and professional. I just snapped it on and the software installed automatically, like magic!

So to all you non-scandic people out there, you shouldn't worry too much. This is the reason I got aa Jolla in the first place, and it's a great product.

Great work you guys!!

Proudly typed on my "boring" all black TOHKBD :)

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In my case the unresponsive key has improved, but it still needs more force and the tactile response is almost non-existent. It is hard to believe what was told in the Kickstarter updates that all keypads were hand-tested (however, it was not clear if that applied to just the first batch or all manufactured keypads). If the manufacturer was paid for testing all pads, a complaint would be in place, the percentage of faulty pieces seems to be significant.

I can confirm this, although I seem to typo slow enough not to trigger this too often :)

Yep.

I can confirm this.

This would be in line with how the virtual keyboards work and so it woul be logical. Then again it is counter to how hw keyboards are gennerally used... Maybe that could be made configurable?

I have not encountered 2, 3 or 6.
One thing to add: Enter key is not working in TMO message editor using Webpirate (haven't tried other browsers yet). Rather annoying.

typed on my tohkbd2

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7 Wasn't that made clear earlier in the thread before everything was manufactured? I seem to remember that Dirk had told us that the flash would be blocked but the camera would not so not sure why some had other expectations?

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I don't recall what the expectation was to be honest, but isn't it easiest to remove the keyboard altogether, take the picture and put it back again, rather than opening the keyboard and take a picture with a heavier and more awkward device?

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Mine just arrived in the mail! I have the normal QWERTY one with RED TOH, red casing and black carbon fiber back! :D

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Hmm, the keyboard doesn't work. I did install the software and rebooted. What could be wrong? :(

Edit: after another reboot it works :D

So far the back's a little bit wobbly and the spacebar could use a little more pressure points but other than the initial result is awesome so far :D

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completely agree but would like to share my experience with the Moto Photon Q...
sliding out the keyboard does indeed tend to set most applications in landscape mode however a number of Android screens (settings comes to mind) stubbornly keep in portrait mode, so i guess, N900 was (one of) the last barrel(s) to get off the platform before it was lost and expecting a mobile device that (simply) works will require... some more coding on the part of the community (though i only got my 1st N900 about 5 years ago, so i don't know how bad things were right after the release)

PS: the device runs CyanogenMod 11 (4.4.2), as "community" as it possibly can

PPS: thanks by the way for including it into the SailfishOS port effort :p :cool:

PPPS: so far, the only properly working mobile i found since my 2nd N900's USB port went south is a Lumia with (of course) 8.x
not looking forward to 10 update / upgrade, as it will be same ol' m@ke$$h!t crap over again like 7 was, before NOKIA got to work on it... :eek: :confused: :mad:
maybe Jolla & TOHKBD2 will have to rise to the challenge?

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Vistaus,

could you please post a picture of your Jolla with TOHKBD2? i ordered an orange-mapple one because it was the closest to THE FIRST ONE TOH but if the Jolla & TOHKBD2 has to become my primary that obviously would become... a little too flashy, maybe?
then again, if Jolla + TOHKBD2 prove to be usable, they deserve the attention :D ;)

EDIT: with usable i don't question the TOHKBD2's team effort - you guys are doing a tremendous job! :D ;) :cool:
what i think currently is not up to par is SailfishOS, alas :( :confused:
will that ever change? :rolleyes: :mad:

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These pictures of TOHKBD are stunning! I can't wait till mine arrives!

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Ok, how do I install the software (as in where do I find it)?

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It should be installed automatically, but I guess that didn't happen?

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No, not sure my phone even detects the keyboard.

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did you try
?

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What I meant was that connecting the keyboard currently locks the display to a anti-clockwise landscape mode. As the design of the keyboard (or rather that of the TOH bit) allows us to put the keyboard on either side of the device, I think a clockwise landscape would be nice, as opening the keyboard to the right side of the device will not obstruct the flash.

Anyway, since the TOH was designed with that in mind I'm fairly sure this will be introduced in an update later.

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Obviously, as well as the layouts, or what would be the point in doing different ones in the first place, as well as having the placeholder for them in the settings app ? ;)

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I have now tried that, too. No change. Phone doesn't seem to detect TOHKBD. :(

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come on irc to troubleshoot or email at info at funkyotherhalf.com

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I just love this kind of answer. Not everyone is on IRC 24/7. Not everyone has time for IRC. Heck, not everyone even knows how to IRC. I for one have lived happily without IRC for decades until I was forced to acknowledge its existence by this very forum.

You, on the other hand, clearly have time to read and post replies to TMO. Why can't you just post the answer instead of directing people to yet another channel and ending up having to answer the same question twice?

Not to mention that if you answer here, others will see it and you may avoid similar questions in the future, thus saving yourself even more time.

(Sorry, Dirk, this was not directed at you in particular. And yes, this particular question requires more detail, best discussed interractively on something like IRC. It's just that this kind of reply has started to become way too common and my cup has overfloweth :()

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Dear pichlo. Dirkvl have given a link to web-interface to the IRC channel, so anybody could use it whitout knowing WTF is IRC. And as you said this particular problem would need some details, and a particular analysis of the problem.

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and second thing is, actually almost nobody will read whole 132 pages long post... (searching doesn't always find what you need)

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IRC just happens to be the best channel for this kind of interaction.
It is fast, reliable, free and independent of any company trying to force their method of extortion on users.

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yes.

and for those that are afraid to click on that link or lack the creativity to think of a funny nickname:

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@All, please note this bit:

Again, sorry, it was not meant as anything against Dirk per se and I admitted that this instance was indeed best solved interactively. It is more of a general comment as this kind of answer that is not always as helpful as it might be.

Anyway, I'll get me coat.

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Very weird...now my K and U keys work just like all the others while S is a bit more responsive than it was, but D, J and W have become almost impossible to use.

Even weirder, while D, J & W aren't working when pressed separately (unless sometimes if pressed rather hard), if I just draw my finger on a row of keys like asdfghjk, D, J & W effortlessly trigger with normal pressure! Video (720p) link below, which also demonstrates how it occasionally stops responding.

TOHKBD rev2 - Odd problem with some keys