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juiceme 2015-10-09 13:12

Re: Jolla tablet countup to delivery[Now With Poll]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mikelima (Post 1484883)
The microSD procedure seems odd.
The cards should be hot-pluggable.
It is true that the in the phone you have to remove the battery to insert the card, so maybe this is only temporary (e.g. due to indexing only working on devices mounted at boot time).

There's nothing that should prevent you from hotplugging the sdcard. What I think this means is that Jolla gives the above info just for clueless users who do not know what mount/umount means.
As there is no automatic method to do that before inserting and removing cards it is better to err on the side of caution... :D

Just like on the Jolla phone where you can easily hot-swap sdcards, you just need to manually umount the fs before removing the card.

HtheB 2015-10-09 13:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1484886)
There's nothing that should prevent you from hotplugging the sdcard. What I think this means is that Jolla gives the above info just for clueless users who do not know what mount/umount means.
As there is no automatic method to do that before inserting and removing cards it is better to err on the side of caution... :D

Just like on the Jolla phone where you can easily hot-swap sdcards, you just need to manually umount the fs before removing the card.

Every Android version has a simple button in the settings to unmount the SDCard... I don't know why Jolla has not implemented this simple feature... :confused:

sbock 2015-10-09 13:18

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What's the Sailfish OS version of the tablet after the update?

https://twitter.com/chc_yabush

robthebold 2015-10-09 14:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1484887)
Every Android version has a simple button in the settings to unmount the SDCard... I don't know why Jolla has not implemented this simple feature... :confused:

As an opportunity for developers!

bertjefred 2015-10-09 14:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Morpog (Post 1484857)
Thanks, adding a padding 0 did it!

Also works for me. But my tablet will not arrive today and I will leave on vacation tomorrow morning... :(

gerbick 2015-10-09 14:43

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Really interested in hearing from the folks that have their tablets their thoughts - good and the bad.

kersplosh 2015-10-09 14:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by eekkelund (Post 1484845)
I had both 32Gb for ma brotha and 64Gb for me. I was invited.

No any tracking info yet tho.


I ordered a 32Gb and was invited in the first wave - no delivery info yet though.. was wondering about the memory thing myself

Dave999 2015-10-09 16:05

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user unpacking videos? Reviews ?

pichlo 2015-10-09 16:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1484886)
Just like on the Jolla phone where you can easily hot-swap sdcards, you just need to manually umount the fs before removing the card.

Wasted opportunity. Why not learn from the giants of the past? The N900 unmounted the SD card automatically if you removed the back cover. It had a magnetic sensor for that purpose.

Jolla also has a sensor detecting that the back cover (also known as The Other Half) has been removed. Why not using it?

Oh, sorry, I forgot. The Other Half is there for changing ringtones and desktop wallpapers, not for anything actually useful.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1484887)
Every Android version has a simple button in the settings to unmount the SDCard... I don't know why Jolla has not implemented this simple feature... :confused:

:eek::eek::eek: Gasp! :eek::eek::eek: Burn the heretic! He is suggesting that Jolla should do something that Android does! Oh no!!! :eek::eek::eek:
...mumble mumble unlike mumble mumble...

ggabriel 2015-10-09 17:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1484902)
Jolla also has a sensor detecting that the back cover (also known as The Other Half) has been removed. Why not using it?

This is a good idea and should even be simple enough to add it as a service or something. Doesn't apply to the tablet though :-(

gerbick 2015-10-09 17:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1484902)
Jolla also has a sensor detecting that the back cover (also known as The Other Half) has been removed. Why not using it?

Wait... how would you do that on the tablet?

Dave999 2015-10-09 17:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1484904)
Wait... how would you do that on the tablet?

If (backcover != true){
return false;
}

there is no other half functionality in tablet. :confused:

maxinflixion 2015-10-09 18:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by maxinflixion (Post 1484546)
If that is the case, I believe I was 8:06am eastern time (is that 12:06p UTC?)

Lucky #50 on that wondrous spreadsheet!

And... move me down the list! :) Finally got Indiegogo to confirm my time since I didn't have the original email. It was 6:36 am eastern time.

mikecomputing 2015-10-09 18:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mosen (Post 1484860)
I guess from the table that the next invites to finalize order and pay VAT for 19.11.14 orders will go out on monday. We will see ;)

Naah, 19 October is my guess...

Bundyo 2015-10-09 20:43

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Damn, took a whole day for it to pass through customs, now I have to wait till monday. :) #firstworldproblems

szopin 2015-10-09 20:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1484902)
Why not using it?

Oh, sorry, I forgot. The Other Half is there for changing ringtones and desktop wallpapers, not for anything actually useful.



:eek::eek::eek: Gasp! :eek::eek::eek: Burn the heretic! He is suggesting that Jolla should do something that Android does! Oh no!!! :eek::eek::eek:
...mumble mumble unlike mumble mumble...

lol [typed on my overhyped keyboard, nothing useful:D]

miqu 2015-10-09 21:29

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Yeah here in Finland I got my tablet 15:00 at work. DHL guy was nice enough to switch delivery address when he called me and I was able to get it today.

Though didn't do much with it yet as had practice after work and helped a friend move a bed after that.

mosen 2015-10-09 21:55

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Google Docs had some serious issues this evening and is back up now.

The Spreadsheet is up to date with delivered Tablets mentioned here and on Twitter for the folks i already had data and the ones that provided sufficiant data within theyr hooray posts.

Everyone who would like to contribute with his rough shipping data or update/correct his entry is totally invited to PM me. Email is tabletpre at mosushi dot com.

I think there i still some fun to come in the next weeks and data from delivered tablets is most precious for any sort of estimation :D

pichlo 2015-10-09 22:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by szopin (Post 1484954)
lol [typed on my overhyped keyboard, nothing useful:D]

[OT]And that keyboard is provided by Jolla, is it? ;)[/OT]

szopin 2015-10-09 22:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1484967)
[OT]And that keyboard is provided by Jolla, is it? ;)[/OT]

No, OH interface is
[10 chars]

edit: interface, jolla only provides OH in half, second half is up to customer

hemiwi 2015-10-09 22:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by miqu (Post 1484959)
Yeah here in Finland I got my tablet 15:00 at work. DHL guy was nice enough to switch delivery address when he called me and I was able to get it today.

Though didn't do much with it yet as had practice after work and helped a friend move a bed after that.

That i dont get :-(
My tablet is still in customs here in Finland, although i guess it was on the same flight from Leipzig. Mind checking, miqu?Since there is probably no delivery on Sat i have to wait till Monday....Should have protested with customs that they speed up before weekend :D

Dave999 2015-10-10 07:19

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Decided to go for opt-out. Require a more advance tablet, ready for market.

pichlo 2015-10-10 07:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by szopin (Post 1484970)
No, OH interface is

Are you referring to the same interface that could be used for an automatic SD card unmount but isn't? ;)

ste-phan 2015-10-10 07:39

Re: Jolla tablet countup to delivery[Now With Poll]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1484902)
Wasted opportunity. Why not learn from the giants of the past? The N900 unmounted the SD card automatically if you removed the back cover. It had a magnetic sensor for that purpose.

Jolla also has a sensor detecting that the back cover (also known as The Other Half) has been removed. Why not using it?

Oh, sorry, I forgot. The Other Half is there for changing ringtones and desktop wallpapers, not for anything actually useful.



:eek::eek::eek: Gasp! :eek::eek::eek: Burn the heretic! He is suggesting that Jolla should do something that Android does! Oh no!!! :eek::eek::eek:
...mumble mumble unlike mumble mumble...

Nokia was actually designing hardware, Jolla was just picking features from a list of what the OEM would integrate in a reference design for them.
Putting a thin NFC patch in the back cover, adding i2C out connector, all feasible within this scope.
The ringtone and background related back cover feature is a choice: if you have to feature instantly swappable back covers with ring tones you can't connect "unmount SD" to that action.

Check the Jolla tablet SD sloth: doesn't look like something Nokia would have designed. (they would a least have put a rubber cover that would wear off after a year or two and which Nokia care would happily replace)

I'd advice Jolla tablet owners to cover the SD card slot by a strong patch of tape to prevent accidental removal of the and dust traveling into the device.

If not, every toddler that grabs the tablet to play his Android games will try to remove the SD card without unmounting :)

Good design is sometimes lost in the race for cheap consumer products.

I have already learned with the Asus T100 tablet / mini PC that SD cards need no cover in Taiwan, even worse, the card is partially sticking out calling for accidental release.

I find that strange because to my concept, the Micro SD is more for embedded purposes than for constant insertion and removal. Same goes for the Jolla tablet.
Micor SD needs to be covered and forgotten.

I used to be disappointed to find my 2009 Apple laptop with SD card also had the card sticking out instead of push to insert / remove.

wepjo 2015-10-10 09:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hemiwi (Post 1484972)
My tablet is still in customs here in Finland, although i guess it was on the same flight from Leipzig.

My tablet on the other hand hasn't even shipped - even I was one of the first through the paying process.

elastic 2015-10-10 09:35

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Could someone from the UK and someone from Germany give me a hint how much tax they had to pay for the tablet - if the invigorating ever arrives I would choose the cheapest option ;-) Thx

Bundyo 2015-10-10 09:52

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Oh, turned out my tablet passed through customs late yesterday and with DHL office working this morning, I just passed by and got it. Expect photos later :)

heavyt 2015-10-10 11:24

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Not trying to be ungrateful, we know how it looks can you tell us about the performance, battery life, viewing angles, etc. Please.

pichlo 2015-10-10 11:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ste-phan (Post 1484985)
The ringtone and background related back cover feature is a choice: if you have to feature instantly swappable back covers with ring tones you can't connect "unmount SD" to that action.

I don't see why not. Take the cover off, unmount the card, put a new one back, mount the card again. I am struggling to come up with a use case when this would cause any problem.

But,
a) we are straying further away from the topic and
b) I may be influenced by the next thing, which will conveniently bring us back to the topic...

Quote:

I find that strange because to my concept, the Micro SD is more for embedded purposes than for constant insertion and removal. Same goes for the Jolla tablet.
Micor SD needs to be covered and forgotten.
Interesting. For me it is the exact opposite: a removable medium is there to be removed. That is the whole point: to easily and constantly swap it in an out, as a means of transferring data from A to B. If you want big permanent storage, you should get big permanent storage, not rely on crutches like SD cards.

Which is why I never understood why some devices, including Nokia N900 and the Jolla phone, make it so difficult. At least the Jolla tablet makes it simpler (except not really).

Copernicus 2015-10-10 12:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1484998)
Interesting. For me it is the exact opposite: a removable medium is there to be removed. That is the whole point: to easily and constantly swap it in an out, as a means of transferring data from A to B.

Definitely!!! I'd like to use them to organize data as well; one SD card for photos, one for coding / development work, one for music, one for games, etc. There's no need to get a crazy expensive high-capacity card when you can get a pile of cheap low-capacity cards and swap them as needed...

szopin 2015-10-10 12:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by elastic (Post 1484991)
Could someone from the UK and someone from Germany give me a hint how much tax they had to pay for the tablet - if the invigorating ever arrives I would choose the cheapest option ;-) Thx

Assuming EU has the same everywhere 32GB + lastu case had 54.74$ tax to pay

Bundyo 2015-10-10 13:14

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The tablet is rather snappy, but only after the update to 1.1.9.28. Pages in the browser load almost instantly, which should be showing :) More later.

axaman 2015-10-10 13:34

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I got my tablet on friday 9.10. @ 12.45. So dhl was pretty fast.

mattaustin 2015-10-10 15:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by willi6868 (Post 1484884)
And the Lastu case has also a small magnet, right? :rolleyes:

Yes, it holds the cover on over the screen, or to the back when you're using it :). My first Lastucase product, i quite like it!

robthebold 2015-10-10 16:10

Re: Jolla tablet countup to delivery[Now With Poll]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Copernicus (Post 1485006)
Definitely!!! I'd like to use them to organize data as well; one SD card for photos, one for coding / development work, one for music, one for games, etc. There's no need to get a crazy expensive high-capacity card when you can get a pile of cheap low-capacity cards and swap them as needed...

It's my hope and conceit that I'll be doing something with my tablet creative and valuable enough that I want to also keep a small library of memory cards. Not sure how I'll physically store my storage yet. My ad hoc method of tossing them in a mini-drawer with a teensy-weensy name written on them has reached the limit of search-and-retrievability. Hopefully, I'll figure that out before my Jolla arrives. Should be no problem . . .;)

pichlo 2015-10-10 16:17

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First world problems... ;)

heavyt 2015-10-10 16:53

Re: Jolla tablet countup to delivery[Now With Poll]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bundyo (Post 1485010)
The tablet is rather snappy, but only after the update to 1.1.9.28. Pages in the browser load almost instantly, which should be showing :) More later.

thank you for your quick response your information will help me decide if I take the option to return the tablet or keep it.

ste-phan 2015-10-10 17:29

Re: Jolla tablet countup to delivery[Now With Poll]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1484998)


Interesting. For me it is the exact opposite: a removable medium is there to be removed. That is the whole point: to easily and constantly swap it in an out, as a means of transferring data from A to B. If you want big permanent storage, you should get big permanent storage, not rely on crutches like SD cards.

Which is why I never understood why some devices, including Nokia N900 and the Jolla phone, make it so difficult. At least the Jolla tablet makes it simpler (except not really).

They make it difficult to prevent accidental removal and memory corruption, that is why I dislike some computers like the Asus T100 or possibly the Jolla Tablet where the slot is uncovered and the card can be removed easily.

Even the old Nokia 808 offers a very useful USB on the go feature where Jolla can be accessed by FTP or SSH.

The purpose of removable storage is multiple: certainly removability but primarly expandabiliy and upgradablity.

Also not many companies offer user friendly options in fixed memory. And reliability remains to be seen (Samsung 16GB eMMC "sudden death syndrome" )

Apple and Nokia N9 with their 16GB models come to mind crippling memory options.

With an additional micro SD slot user has the freedom to make permanent storage limited in capacity and reliable:

http://www.cactus-tech.com/en/produc...-grade/microsd

or large and cheap: (128GB at 16 USD :rolleyes: :eek: )

http://www.ebay.com/itm/128GB-16G-32...item4af0d6ee66

SD card is the standard removable media for daily insert / removal operations whiel Micro SD card is more practical for a situation of upgrade memory and forget.

It has originally been developed with mobile phones in mind.

Contact wear and risk of loss at smaller than stamp size form factor is higher.

hemiwi 2015-10-11 12:36

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One question for those who already got their tablet:

Do you own a Jolla Phone and have tried to export / import via Backup all the accounts for example? Plus media files and or other?

Since i am traditionally lazy :D i definetly want to try that. (my mailserver is not in finland so i have always to tweak ports) plus all the calendars and so on. Would be convenient to import accounts.

Kiitos and Thanks

pichlo 2015-10-11 13:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hemiwi (Post 1485098)
(my mailserver is not in finland so i have always to tweak ports)

Sorry about another OT diversion but this bit intrigues me. Why is the server's location relevant?
(A genuine question.)


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