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don_falcone 2012-09-17 15:09
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
...maybe "Mega Trolla Thread" would be even better.

thedead1440 2012-09-17 15:13
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
I think this is the first time a speculation thread hasn't been started by Dave999...

Dave -1 for you :p

Dave999 2012-09-17 15:38
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thedead1440 (Post 1267988)
I think this is the first time a speculation thread hasn't been started by Dave999...

Dave -1 for you :p
I have not created any speculation threads except for PR1.2 for both n900 and n9.

If noone would be allowed speculate only that announcement post would be needed. All the rest of the 13XX post are speculation, so everyone posting in this thread speculate.

Pretty funny when you think of it.

thedead1440 2012-09-17 15:42
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1268003)
I have not created any speculation threads except for PR1.2 for both n900 and n9.

If noone would be allowed speculate only that announcement post would be needed. All the rest of the 13XX post are speculation, so everyone posting in this thread speculate.

Pretty funny when you think of it.

I don't mean it in a bad way...Its just I remember you creating the pr1.2 and pr1.3 threads and was pleasantly surprised to see you were not the king of this thread too...

Speculate for all its worth; nothing wrong in that...

mikecomputing 2012-09-17 16:22
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dumpystig (Post 1267461)
It's quite interesting that there are 132 pages in this thread - 132 pages of speculation.

But I reckon it just shows that there is a great amount of interest in Jolla and what device / OS they will release.

I for one am eager to see if it's as good as most of us are hoping...

BTW, that Oppo Find looks good too.
Jolla has now 14k followers att twitter :P

mikecomputing 2012-09-17 16:27
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kangal (Post 1267883)
Device delays Jan 2013, device expectant May 2013, device arrives Jul 2013, device arrives with buggy, incomplete software.

Major bug fix and software update arrives Nov 2013. People hyped about the Motorola Nexus X in Oct 2013 with Android 5.1 with Mainline Linux Kernel, and new features.
This is a thread about Jolla mobiles NOT Android mobiles...

Dave999 2012-09-17 16:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1268027)
Jolla has now 14k followers att twitter :P
That is indeed great news. Let's hope every one of us buy at least one device :)

And if we promote it, I think we could get another thousends before announcement

Dave999 2012-09-18 20:47
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Anyone heard a rumor that the first jolla phone is a circle, not like a phone but more like a disc, dvd.

kollin 2012-09-18 21:00
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1268709)
Anyone heard a rumor that the first jolla phone is a circle, not like a phone but more like a disc, dvd.
Good idea!
Those rectangular/bar phones are so dated already... :cool:

minimos 2012-09-19 21:04
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Part of the Open Knowledge Festival currently running in Helsinki, a presentation by Jussi Hurmola with Jolla's views about 'setting up a new ecosystem'.
http://embed.bambuser.com/broadcast/2993380

Morpog 2012-09-19 21:44
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
That presentation makes me think we get a quadcore CPU in it, so definately ARM based. Also a Display between 4" and 5" - great!
Also probably no buttons on front, like N9.

Dave999 2012-09-19 21:49
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Morpog (Post 1269312)
That presentation makes me think we get a quadcore CPU in it, so definately ARM based. Also a Display between 4" and 5" - great!
Hey Mr analyst. What about a off screen keyboard?

Morpog 2012-09-19 21:52
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1269314)
Hey Mr analyst. What about a off screen keyboard?
Didn't hear anything about keyboards in the presentation, but you could watch it too ;)

MINKIN2 2012-09-19 22:15
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
More hints towards an Android Compatibility Layer too, nice!

qwazix 2012-09-19 22:52
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
So, let's play a game. We try to speculate the specs (I like that, speculate the specs) of the upcoming jolla phone. We start with 0 score. We are only allowed to speculate on countable or binary features, as many as we want.

Each spec guess earns the player 150 points
For every Mhz CPU cycles off the mark player loses 1 point.
For every CPU core off the mark player loses 100 points
For every 2MB of RAM off the mark player loses one point.
For every extra/less button on the front player loses 100 points
For every extra/less button on the side player loses 100 points
For every extra/less speaker player loses 300 points
For every extra/less microphone player loses 300 points
For every extra/less sensor player loses 50 points
Naming a specific sensor wrongly loses 400 points
Naming a specific antenna/comm wrongly costs 200 points
(antennas and comms include fm, cell, gps, glonass, lte, ir, nfc, bt etc.)
Every day that passes from the day the game starts costs the player 30 points.

When the actual phone is announced, we count our scores and the one with the most points wins the spec/spec 2012 badge to wear in his signature.

Here's what I'm saying in a spreadsheet. Before you start we can fine tune the scoring (spreadsheet is editable freely)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...2NXR1U2ZkNHOWc

w00t 2012-09-19 22:54
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qwazix (Post 1269340)
So, let's play a game. We try to speculate the specs (I like that, speculate the specs) of the upcoming jolla phone. We start with 0 score. We are only allowed to speculate on countable or binary features, as many as we want.
Does anyone have money on a built in unicorn yet? If not, let me be the first.

dumpystig 2012-09-19 23:49
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1268709)
Anyone heard a rumor that the first jolla phone is a circle, not like a phone but more like a disc, dvd.
Yep, sure...

... you gona share what you're smokin? :p

WallAR 2012-09-20 14:46
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
@qwazix,
1200Mhz.
2 Cores
1GB of ram
No front buttons
Rocker switch (sound), unlock, and 2-step photobutton
2 speakers one for calls 2nd for music etc.
2 mics one for normal call and 2nd for loudspeaker (also 2nd mic tries to reduce background noise when speaking thru normal mic)
GPS,Glonass,BT,Wifi (b/g/n),NFC, penta band (worldwide) no LTE .


So let's wait for spec ! :P

Edit:
No HW keyboard, Max 8Mpix camera, and 2Mpix for video calls.

I believe without a BIg help from Nokia (know how etc) they will find only factories in Shenzen so I believe it will be hardware similar to SGS 2

48GX 2012-09-20 14:54
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by WallAR (Post 1269649)
@qwazix,
1200Mhz.
2 Cores
1GB of ram
No front buttons
Rocker switch (sound), unlock, and 2-step photobutton
2 speakers one for calls 2nd for music etc.
2 mics one for normal call and 2nd for loudspeaker (also 2nd mic tries to reduce background noise when speaking thru normal mic)
GPS,Glonass,BT,Wifi (b/g/n),NFC, penta band (worldwide) no LTE .


So let's wait for spec ! :P
hardware keyboard??

regards

dumpystig 2012-09-20 15:17
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 48GX (Post 1269652)
hardware keyboard??

... that would be a great bonus for me but not a deal-breaker

mikecomputing 2012-09-20 16:39
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
People, you do realise that manufactors have to have BIG volumes to even get access to the latest CPU:s, camerahw and modem?

Again dont expect latest and greatest HW from Jolla...

mikecomputing 2012-09-20 16:42
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Morpog (Post 1269312)
That presentation makes me think we get a quadcore CPU in it, so definately ARM based. Also a Display between 4" and 5" - great!
Also probably no buttons on front, like N9.
And WHAT in that video is made you think that its a dualcore ARM? :-O

shmerl 2012-09-20 16:56
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1269697)
People, you do realise that manufactors have to have BIG volumes to even get access to the latest CPU:s, camerahw and modem?

Again dont expect latest and greatest HW from Jolla...
Why? Having access to high end hardware is not an issue. But making manufacturers chip out Linux drivers for it requires high volume indeed, or in general not brain dead approach of those vendors. As PlasmaActive/Vivaldi efforts showed - it can be very challenging.

Morpog 2012-09-20 17:28
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1269702)
And WHAT in that video is made you think that its a dualcore ARM? :-O
jussi said that meego should be really fast on a quad core. There are no dual or quad core mobile Atom cpu's yet. And also not soon, especially quad core.

erendorn 2012-09-20 17:50
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Morpog (Post 1269720)
jussi said that meego should be really fast on a quad core. There are no dual or quad core mobile Atom cpu's yet. And also not soon, especially quad core.
Sad, cause with a quad core valley view (and some portable external batteries ;) ) and a hardware keyboard, I know many people will be happy!

shmerl 2012-09-20 18:01
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Nvidia has good quad cores - Tegra 3. And they are already used in handsets. Can Jolla convince them to cooperate? Nvidia is working with Tizen workgroup now, so may be they will work on Wayland drivers?

http://www.linuxfoundation.org/news-...inux-workgroup

Quote:
“The Linux Foundation’s Automotive Grade Linux Workgroup addresses the need for a common reference platform for building products and services that exceed customer expectations in their cars,” said Kevin Flory, VP Automotive Software, NVIDIA. “As NVIDIA delivers innovative and scalable solutions for infotainment, digital instrument clusters and advanced driver assistance systems, we are excited to contribute to this workgroup and accelerate its development efforts.”

mikecomputing 2012-09-20 19:53
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Morpog (Post 1269720)
jussi said that meego should be really fast on a quad core. There are no dual or quad core mobile Atom cpu's yet. And also not soon, especially quad core.
proves nothing again you need volumes....

mikecomputing 2012-09-20 19:59
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1269706)
Why? Having access to high end hardware is not an issue. But making manufacturers chip out Linux drivers for it requires high volume indeed, or in general not brain dead approach of those vendors. As PlasmaActive/Vivaldi efforts showed - it can be very challenging.
Access to hiend hardware non an Issue? Yes it is:

1 bigger volumes == lowerprice
2 big corporations has first acces cause they had money
3 small companys has no chance have latest cause of 1 and 2

if you expect latest greatest, fine but then you have to pay ALOT more, bussines as usual... But thats to risky for Jolla, cause who will by devices that is to high prices? The better take som older TI Cortex chip or some china ripoff. or some chip that is not "so popular" anymore buy other big companys.

Quadcore/NVidia is probadly reserved for Nokia and Android.

shmerl 2012-09-20 20:15
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
I was saying, that Vivaldi showed that some manufactures act weirdly (or simply put - they don't care) when volumes are below their minimum.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1269790)
Quadcore/NVidia is probadly reserved for Nokia and Android.
What do you mean reserved? Nvidia can do what they want, if it's in their interests.

mikecomputing 2012-09-20 20:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1269796)
I was saying, that Vivaldi showed that some manufactures act weirdly (or simply put - they don't care) when volumes are below their minimum.
missreaded your post, changed my post to be more clear what I meant.

shmerl 2012-09-20 20:19
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
And just to note, Vivaldi project already dumped Zenithink because they are simply not honoring their agreements. They are working with other manufacturer now, but didn't provide details yet.

See http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2012/09/a...n-vivaldi.html

mikecomputing 2012-09-20 20:22
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1269800)
And just to note, Vivaldi project already dumped Zenithink because they are simply not honoring their agreements. They are working with other manufacturer now, but didn't provide details yet.

See http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2012/09/a...n-vivaldi.html
I beleive the mess will continue. They better go in bed with Jolla and they MAY have a little bigger chance...

shmerl 2012-09-20 20:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1269801)
I beleive the mess will continue. They better go in bed with Jolla and they MAY have a little bigger chance...
They actually might consider cooperation on software side (besides that they already cooperate through Mer). See https://twitter.com/sebasje/status/248023872727814144

But hardware is different, since Jolla now focuses on handsets, and PlasmaActive - on tablets. It can change in the future of course, so they will cover both at the same time.

Dave999 2012-09-20 21:07
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Who cares about quad core Duel core. The important stuff is that the Jolla phone has A CORE!

The really important stuff is a keyboard. I'm not talking about a onscreen keyboard. If they going for a n9 copy cat style I see no point in release or or buy the phone.

I hope the rumor of a crazy design is true and we will see a disk phone. Who wants another iphone?

shmerl 2012-09-20 21:16
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Honestly, any decent handset that will allow running Mer based OS would be good. While having a keyboard is a bug plus, I care more that it should have an sd card slot, allowing booting alternative Mer based OSes (like Nemo) easier without wiping the default Jolla OS. And preferably CPU/GPU specs should be higher than N9's ones. Ah, and also having a wide choice of frequencies (inlcuding LTE ones), since if it'll be narrow - it won't be usable with various providers.

aironeous 2012-09-21 00:21
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Can someone explain to me why I keep seeing this nemo stuff on my Gnome desktop update manager? Is someone else in the linux world using the nemo name?
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h2...ps35d976cf.png

Sazpaimon 2012-09-21 00:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by aironeous (Post 1269858)
Can someone explain to me why I keep seeing this nemo stuff on my Gnome desktop update manager? Is someone else in the linux world using the nemo name?
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h2...ps35d976cf.png
Nemo is the name of a file manager, a fork of Nautilus I believe

shmerl 2012-09-21 01:06
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File managers in KDE and Gnome have sea themed names (KDE - Dolphin, Gnome - Nautilus). Nemo is a fork of Nautilus which was started by the Mint distro team:

http://www.webupd8.org/2012/08/nemo-...-nautilus.html

aironeous 2012-09-21 01:31
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I love you guys

minimos 2012-09-21 07:24
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See also that the proper name for the Mer-related distro we are talking about is Nemo Mobile


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