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lantern

2017-10-04 13:29

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Do Norway and Swiss customers pay VAT when buying from EU site?

trashHeap

2017-10-04 13:32

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Hey I have an unlocked Xperia X I got off ebay arriving today. My plan was to flash it on the 11th using my work laptop. (My only readily available Windows PC).

Does anyone know if it's safe to go ahead and flash one of the unofficial builds in the meantime? Or will that screw up the emma/windows flashing I plan on doing next week?

aspergerguy

2017-10-04 13:37

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

You would probably be better returning XperiaX to stock firmware and starting again, but not a real hardship.

meloferz

2017-10-04 13:39

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

After I saw this video https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iSAYeoKNJsI, I realised that when you use the Emma flash tool from Sony, it appear that is flashed with a image that correspond for it market... So... As I have a US Xperia X, do you think if I buy the image (someone from Europe will buy for me), it will detect if my device is not from Europe and won't let me install it? Hope not [emoji32]

Enviado desde mi F5121 mediante Tapatalk

jakibaki

2017-10-04 13:41

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by jenix (Post 1535817)

Jolla simply is not allowed by Sony and its licenses to officially support this method.

Not even that, they are allowed to ship an emma-less way, they're even writing that they're officially looking into it:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jolla

We are looking into the possibility of installing the software also using other platforms, but can’t promise this yet

My theory is that the emma-less way is just not easy enough for people to apply right now for an official release. In it's current state (judging by the HADK-Linux instructions) it involves booting the device into recovery mode and telneting into it to copy the blobs to the oem-partition. For that solution to be official they'll have to automate that process which is not trivial because they'll either have to script telneting into the xperia-x or create an custom recovery image which automatically prepares the partition, then reboots again into fastboot-mode so that they can flash the normal recovery again.

Doing the emma-less way unofficially shouldn't be a problem at all for most of the people here who have a problem with using windows though :)

Watchmaker

2017-10-04 13:54

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

I just received an invitation to use part of my remaining tablet funds to redeem a Sailfish X voucher. I imagine all of the tablet backers will be receiving one of these soon.

BluesLee

2017-10-04 14:00

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by Watchmaker (Post 1535830)

I just received an invitation to use part of my remaining tablet funds to redeem a Sailfish X voucher. I imagine all of the tablet backers will be receiving one of these soon.

Same here. Resulting confirmation leads to Bermuda :-)

Code:

502 Bad Gateway

nginx

But i got a confirmation by email, seems to be okay.

mrsellout

2017-10-04 14:01

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

I just got the refund voucher too. Wasn't there talk of there being a discount for Jolla C backers?

jenix

2017-10-04 14:03

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by lantern (Post 1535823)

Do Norway and Swiss customers pay VAT when buying from EU site?

Not here in Switzerland. Of course, you have to pay the local VAT (which with 8% is much lower than in most EU countries) when "importing" goods, but 50€ is within the tax-free amount. So basically, we pay more than people from the EU. (Alternative POV: Jolla gets more money from our purchases ;)).

aspergerguy

2017-10-04 14:05

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrsellout (Post 1535832)

I just got the refund voucher too. Wasn't there talk of there being a discount for Jolla C backers?

Don't think that Jolla can currently get head around being both Jolla C community device and Tablet backer at the same time until possibly 11th October release.

benny1967

2017-10-04 14:21

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrsellout (Post 1535832)

I just got the refund voucher too. Wasn't there talk of there being a discount for Jolla C backers?

Yes, on Aug 29th they wrote:

For all of you former Community Device Program members we offer a 20% discount,i.e. the price for you is 39.90€ (including VAT).We’ll let you know how you can claim this discount closer to the sales start.

Watchmaker

2017-10-04 14:22

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by BluesLee (Post 1535831)

Same here. Resulting confirmation leads to Bermuda :-)

Code:

502 Bad Gateway

nginx

But i got a confirmation by email, seems to be okay.

I've been able to get to the confirmation page instead, and I also received the confirmation email. What I'm not able to do is to log into the shop, but there's no rush for that.

ljo	2017-10-04 14:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Watchmaker (Post 1535830)

... I imagine all of the tablet backers will be receiving one of these soon.

Nope, not all backers, only those that asked for a refund ...

mikecomputing

2017-10-04 14:35

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by kinggo (Post 1535738)

so..... what did you expect? That they will develop a new linux only tool to flash a few hundred phones?

What wronng with using The officially Android flashtool used by fp2 and other Open Android Phone!?

This is stupid discussion btw since People here often whines about openess and in The same time accept Windows as The only officially Flash your Phone lol...

jenix

2017-10-04 14:49

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Seems the Account page account.jolla.com is currently having some performance issues. If you are already logged into your account you can use the voucher just fine. Logging into your account (either in the purchase procress or just directly over the account site) currently fails for me.

clovis86

2017-10-04 14:50

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Is it just me or the device showed at the end of the YT vidz posted on the jolla blog is way too big for being a simple Xperia X ?

http://reho.st/medium/self/72f042e76...8dff929e39.jpg

maximilian1st

2017-10-04 14:56

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Small hands, big phone maybe.

elastic

2017-10-04 15:00

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by maximilian1st (Post 1535846)

Small hands, big phone maybe.

Just bad photoshopping ;-)

eson	2017-10-04 15:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jenix (Post 1535843)

Fails for me to.

Watchmaker

2017-10-04 15:21

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1535842)

I don't want to convince anyone of anything (no one ever changes opinion anyway).
I just wanted to point out the simple fact that "only official way" =/= "only possible way".

Peace.

Pim	2017-10-04 15:45

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by jakibaki (Post 1535828)

Yes I would like to see this automated before using it. And I'm a Linux using IT guy. I'd recommend something like Fabric (fabfile.org) to automate the scripting. That would work on Windows and Linux.

cvp	2017-10-04 15:47

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by Watchmaker (Post 1535830)

I just received an invitation to use part of my remaining tablet funds to redeem a Sailfish X voucher. I imagine all of the tablet backers will be receiving one of these soon.

its a 49,99€ refund?

Watchmaker

2017-10-04 15:55

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by cvp (Post 1535856)

its a 49,99€ refund?

They took 49,90€ from my remaining credit, yes. I could choose to donate the rest, or keep it in queue for refund.

kinggo

2017-10-04 16:05

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1535842)

Nothing. It's just that SONY doesn't have official linux client and I'm sure that they will not make one just for Jolla. Hence, they made it to work with what they have.
After all, 99.999999% of all sattelite receiveres are way more linux than any phone and yet, there's no linux channel editor. At least I never found one.

nieldk

2017-10-04 16:28

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by Watchmaker (Post 1535857)

They took 49,90€ from my remaining credit, yes. I could choose to donate the rest, or keep it in queue for refund.

We were given option for

Donate all
Purchase 1 (or 2) vouchers and donate rest
Purchase 1 (or 2) vouchers and Rest refunded
Refund fully

mariusmssj

2017-10-04 16:56

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Sorry to be sound stupid but just trying to get my head around all of this.

We need to use EMMA tool to flash Xperia X with a sony android image that is more open than the one installed. After which you use the flash script to flash SFOS onto it?

Freddo

2017-10-04 16:58

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by clovis86 (Post 1535844)

Is it just me or the device showed at the end of the YT vidz posted on the jolla blog is way too big for being a simple Xperia X ?

http://reho.st/medium/self/72f042e76...8dff929e39.jpg

I don't think so, the Xperia X is freaking huge. Then again, for the past 6 years I've been a Nokia N9 user, so I'm used to a smaller size. So far I've barely used the Xperia X I bought about a month ago, waiting for this Sailfish thing, but it's damn hard to use it comfortably.

meloferz

2017-10-04 17:08

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by meloferz (Post 1535827)

After a logged into my Jolla account, I realised that there is a devices tab, that will show the information about your phone, as I see... The licence for the image will be attached for your Jolla account (as Jolla said), model, IMEI and serial number

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deprecated

2017-10-04 17:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1535842)

I don't understand why you're always so up in arms about this topic.

Whether you flash it with Linux, or Windows, or a washing machine running some UNIX derivative... you are still flashing binary blobs, which are closed software that you have no access to, and have absolutely no control over. What's more, none of the blobs are open sourced or available to public scrutiny.

That said, why are you so intent on repeating the same tired diatribe about openness? If you don't want to flash the software with Windows, don't. But, please, stop filling up these threads with the same sensationalist nonsense.

jakibaki

2017-10-04 18:01

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1535861)

There are two flash-modes on the Xperia X:

The (pretty much universal) fastboot mode and a more "powerful" sony-specific flash-mode.

There is a special partition on which Jolla is supposed to put the xperia-x blobs on (closed source drivers, which are unfortunately necessary on all current smartphones).

This special partition is by default not writable in fastboot mode.
So Sony is providing an update that enables this special partition to be written using fastboot.
This update can only officially be installed using emma, the flash-tool by Sony (which works with the sony-specific flash-mode).
After that the blobs can be written to the special partition in fastboot-mode.

That is the official ways of doing things; there are ways around the requirement of emma by writing the speical partition while the phone is booted up or in recovery-mode but these are unofficial for now.

nieldk

2017-10-04 18:10

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by jakibaki (Post 1535866)

Yep.
Although, I am pretty certain the updated bootloader which enables the new feature (by Sony) can be grabbed, and then flashed using flashtool by androxyde from XDA.
Once I get the X and the official image I will test this out hehe.

trashHeap

2017-10-04 18:13

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Anyone have any clue if VIsa Travelmoney or a Travelex Mastercard might be an accepted method of payment come general sales on the 11th?

jakibaki

2017-10-04 18:21

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by nieldk (Post 1535867)

The image can already be downloaded here.
I think it's the right one judging by the version number but i'm not fully certain.
If someone could flash it with flashtool and confirm/deny if the oem-partition is writable via fastboot after updating that would be great! (I don't want to do it myself because my Xperia X is my daily driver right now)

alfmar

2017-10-04 18:36

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Quote:

Here's your order:
Sailfish X: Sailfish OS for Sony Xperia™ X

Can't wait to shout "shut up and get my money!" :D

Quote:

Re-installing the native Android OS may not be possible and is not recommended, as you will not get all of the Android functionality back.

Translates as: "you won't be able to sell an Android Xperia X in future". Who actually cares? (note also the "sale is final, no refund if you regret purchase").

Quote:

purchasing Sailfish X outside of the Authorized Countries is prohibited.

Translates as: "just wait a little more".

Quote:

align the wider sales opening to start at the same time with the SW distribution

Translates as: "we already know that our servers will be hit by a massive number of clients" :)

mrsellout

2017-10-04 18:57

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by alfmar (Post 1535871)

Quote:

Re-installing the native Android OS may not be possible and is not recommended, as you will not get all of the Android functionality back.

Translates as: "you won't be able to sell an Android Xperia X in future". Who actually cares? (note also the "sale is final, no refund if you regret purchase").

They're talking about losing the functionality associated with wiping the DRM keys here.

Wolda

2017-10-04 19:01

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by meatbiscuit (Post 1535775)

Thanks for making it possible for us SFOS supporters that happen to be stateside. I can't send PMs, even though I've had this account for almost 8 years..., is this offer still available?

It surely is. In my profile, there should also be a link to my homepage with all the contact-info. Feel free to email me instead of a PMing (although a PM here is perhaps easier)

maximilian1st

2017-10-04 19:35

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

This part really bothers me:

"Re-installing the native Android OS may not be possible and is not recommended, as you will not get all of the Android functionality back."

It would be a shame to not have the possibility to flash the phone back to it's original state with DRM keys and all.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kinggo (Post 1535859)

...
After all, 99.999999% of all sattelite receiveres are way more linux than any phone and yet, there's no linux channel editor. At least I never found one.

Because you use the wrong receiver ;-p
https://dreamboxedit.com/

jakibaki

2017-10-04 19:50

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by maximilian1st (Post 1535876)

It would be a shame to not have the possibility to flash the phone back to it's original state with DRM keys and all.

You can still backup the drm keys and restore them without problems, it's just that Jolla won't officially support such a solution.

mikecomputing

2017-10-04 20:13

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1535861)

Yes and you have to pay Microsoft for a windows **** license to flash a Linux phone. Thats the mos fun of all.

And yes I don't care if there is an unofficial flasher that "may" be used in Linux since not even Jolla is sure it will/is possible.

Thats an epic fail. To them who don't understand it I DONT HAVE WINDOWS AND I DONT WILL NOT BUY A WINDOWS LICENCE?

did you people get my point now or should I repeat one more time!?

maximilian1st

2017-10-04 20:14

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by jakibaki (Post 1535877)

You can still backup the drm keys and restore them without problems, it's just that Jolla won't officially support such a solution.

I will dive into the subject before installing sailfish on the phone.

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