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hhbbap 2014-10-26 10:12

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
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Originally Posted by dirkvl (Post 1444260)

Would love to buy the Scandic model!

pichlo 2014-10-26 10:44

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
It's a bit (with some stretch) like saying, "Everybody knows how the internal combustion engine works, go and build your own car." Not everyone has the necessary skills or equipment. I guess the most limiting factor for those with the necessary skills would be the access to a 3D printer.

stefanmohl 2014-10-26 11:55

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
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Originally Posted by dirkvl (Post 1444363)
I do not know how to respond to this.

Do you assume we haven't?! The current layout is optimized to please as much people as possible.

Oh, no! I can clearly see that you have put lots of thought into this! What I was thinking about was more related to "multiple (a lot) of layouts", for example my wish is specialized to have a combination of hacker-friendly (with vi-support) and Swedish layout, something that the standard Swedish PC-keyboard really doesn't do very well.

You have clearly worked hard at finding layouts that please as many as possible! What I was thinking was more along the lines of many layouts, where each layout pleases a few very well and at the same time a sufficient number of layouts to cover everyone. That would be a lot of work. A Kazakh layout with strong emoji support? A Greek layout with good support for mark-down? A layout for the bi-lingual Hebrew-Cyrillic typer?

Perhaps some sort of crowd-sourcing could help? If you can provide a blank image of the keyboard layout, and correctly sized images of each character, people could use simple tools like Paint to drag the characters into place on the blank keyboard and upload to some central repository (a wiki at TMO?). There they can discuss the different layouts that they are interested in and tweak them to perfection (including forks when they disagree). Then others can come in and pick and choose among lots of different layouts when they order a keyboard.

Or perhaps I have just gone overboard with this, and when you say "lots of layouts", you don't mean it for quite so large values of "lots"! :-)

vistaus 2014-10-26 13:21

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Damn stefanmohl, you're going a bit overboard here. Let's first focus on finishing the current layout(s) that'll please the most people and then perhaps we can focus on what comes next.

dirkvl 2014-10-26 13:55

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by stefanmohl (Post 1444379)
Oh, no! I can clearly see that you have put lots of thought into this! What I was thinking about was more related to "multiple (a lot) of layouts", for example my wish is specialized to have a combination of hacker-friendly (with vi-support) and Swedish layout, something that the standard Swedish PC-keyboard really doesn't do very well.

You have clearly worked hard at finding layouts that please as many as possible! What I was thinking was more along the lines of many layouts, where each layout pleases a few very well and at the same time a sufficient number of layouts to cover everyone. That would be a lot of work. A Kazakh layout with strong emoji support? A Greek layout with good support for mark-down? A layout for the bi-lingual Hebrew-Cyrillic typer?

Perhaps some sort of crowd-sourcing could help? If you can provide a blank image of the keyboard layout, and correctly sized images of each character, people could use simple tools like Paint to drag the characters into place on the blank keyboard and upload to some central repository (a wiki at TMO?). There they can discuss the different layouts that they are interested in and tweak them to perfection (including forks when they disagree). Then others can come in and pick and choose among lots of different layouts when they order a keyboard.

Or perhaps I have just gone overboard with this, and when you say "lots of layouts", you don't mean it for quite so large values of "lots"! :-)

fun idea for tohkbd rev4

Dave999 2014-10-26 15:19

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Oh sexy...can't wait to get my hands on thhkbd rev4 deluxe edition with extra gold for jPhone ll.

malkavian 2014-10-26 15:20

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dirkvl (Post 1444363)
The current layout is optimized to please as much people as possible.

I don't see a qwerty spanish variant, a language with 470 millions of native speakers.

dirkvl 2014-10-26 16:57

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
some more elaborate replies:


Quote:

Originally Posted by malkavian (Post 1444408)
I don't see a qwerty spanish variant


i haven't seen a lot of spanish jolla users. if the demand is high enough everything is possible, but we can not please everyone.
we will however share all files to adjust your keyboard to your liking in your local laser-engraving shop, that will give the same finish.
or as coderus told before:
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Originally Posted by coderus (Post 1444367)
i think specifications will be open, and you can always produce your own keyboard if want.



Quote:

Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1444372)
It's a bit (with some stretch) like saying, "Everybody knows how the internal combustion engine works, go and build your own car." Not everyone has the necessary skills or equipment. I guess the most limiting factor for those with the necessary skills would be the access to a 3D printer.


so follow the tutorials on my site and get familiar with 3d printing services as shapeways. it is less complex than you think.


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Originally Posted by stefanmohl (Post 1444379)
Perhaps some sort of crowd-sourcing could help? If you can provide a blank image of the keyboard layout, and correctly sized images of each character, people could use simple tools like Paint to drag the characters into place on the blank keyboard and upload to some central repository (a wiki at TMO?). There they can discuss the different layouts that they are interested in and tweak them to perfection (including forks when they disagree). Then others can come in and pick and choose among lots of different layouts when they order a keyboard.



I tried that with this topic, but there were more people shouting 'do this layout' and Q&A, than an actual discussion. My priority is also not to lead this complex crowd-sourcing project. If anyone else want to pick this up, I will definitely be listening as everything I do is demand-based. But demand-based design is not changing something because one person says
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Originally Posted by stefanmohl (Post 1444343)
Also, maybe swap places between insert and delete keys?


Quote:

Originally Posted by stefanmohl (Post 1444379)
Oh, no! I can clearly see that you have put lots of thought into this!
...
Or perhaps I have just gone overboard with this, and when you say "lots of layouts", you don't mean it for quite so large values of "lots"! :-)


You assume correct.


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Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1444407)
Oh sexy...can't wait to get my hands on thhkbd rev4 deluxe edition with extra gold for jPhone ll.


As soon as they send me CAD files I can start.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1444364)
nothing is perfect, there is always possible to improve ;)


But not always within the time and budget. we have to channel our effort to important stuff, what is important for us may differ from some else.
If people found something really important I would assume posts here would be better funded than
Quote:

Originally Posted by stefanmohl (Post 1444343)
Oh, and a flip cover for the keyboard would be nice too

which is -probably not meant as such- edging on insult.


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Originally Posted by bobsikus (Post 1443844)
looking good :) maybe I have missed that info, you are planning to make two versions, which one is slided to the left and second to the right ? or it is slidable both sides ? (just looking at the pictures, that the position of camera is changing)


It works on both sides!

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Originally Posted by vistaus (Post 1444172)
I'm 200% sure Dirk will not produce ISO900 crap so can we please go ontopic? ;)

Thanks! On-topic, lots of news the coming week!

oku9000 2014-10-26 17:48

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
I don't really see what's the big deal with missing some specific key layouts. Of course it would be nice to have everything, but wouldn't it be more important to use the time to get the keyboard done with at least some keymap in the first place. After that being done it would be more relevant to increase the amount of different keymaps.

We don't get much choices in what's printed in PC keyboards either and still we use custom keymaps on them without crying about it. The keys are what matters and what they do, not what is printed on them.

At least try not to be rude towards people trying to make some awesome stuff for us.

rcolistete 2014-10-26 17:56

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dirkvl (Post 1444424)
i haven't seen a lot of spanish jolla users. if the demand is high enough everything is possible, but we can not please everyone.
we will however share all files to adjust your keyboard to your liking in your local laser-engraving shop, that will give the same finish.
or as coderus told before:

List of languages by number of native speakers : Mandarin, Spanish, English, Hindi, Arabic, Portuguese, Bengali, Russian, Japanese, Punjabi, German, etc.

Anyway, I'll buy a english QWERTY TOHBDv2 if a portuguese or spanish one isn't available.


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