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dtergens 2011-05-20 12:14
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
For that, Nokia have to do better marketting they did with N900 ...

generationally 2011-05-20 12:17
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Koajwujwer123 (Post 1010995)
Yes there will be only one device. And that will be the commercial device. Developer device does not count as it is not sold. Makes sense ?

Oh and as you would know currently there are absolutely no plans for another one after this commercial device. It would need a massive amount of consumer interest to change that decision. But i think this much is obvious.
And since the consumer device hasn't yet shown up in FCC, does that then mean that it won't get a US release?

AndyNokia232 2011-05-20 12:18
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Koajwujwer123 (Post 1010995)
Yes there will be only one device. And that will be the commercial device. Developer device does not count as it is not sold. Makes sense ?

Oh and as you would know currently there are absolutely no plans for another one after this commercial device. It would need a massive amount of consumer interest to change that decision. But i think this much is obvious.
OMG I can't stand this anymore! I need to stop looking at TMO and get on with my life!! I will settle in my head for ONE device, with keyboard, as seen in the teaser, or my brain will simply explode. This is excruciating! AKA amazing marketing by Nokia! haha :)

Koajwujwer123 2011-05-20 12:19
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by generationally (Post 1011003)
And since the consumer device hasn't yet shown up in FCC, does that then mean that it won't get a US release?
I cannot comment on that as i have no knowledge about that. There is no reason why it shouldn't though. Consumer device not being released in coming weeks , so maybe FCC has more time ? Or maybe they have deal with FCC to hide documents like Apple.

This part is guessing on my part. I cannot confirm this.

jalyst 2011-05-20 12:21
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 1010987)
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=903109&postcount=1
theres the post on the mailing list posted december as you can see they was reworking UI.
The reason being is b/c when they showed Carrier/Partners in US they got bad feedback at the time this was there mainstream future so they had to delay and get UI right.
Thanks, I've now read the entire ML thread & don't see how it proves anything.
Yes there's some lamenting over the direction/s being taken....
But nothing that proves a total UI re-write was afoot due to poor carrier feedback.

AndyNokia232 2011-05-20 12:21
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by generationally (Post 1011003)
And since the consumer device hasn't yet shown up in FCC, does that then mean that it won't get a US release?
I now believe they are one and the same. Just one. Rich Green said it back in February with the whole we will release ONE Meego device in 2011 speech. A developer model surely could not be promoted like this and look so beautiful. Why would they do that? I just don't believe it.

And I will simply now wait for the announcement, and release of the N9/50 which will have a 12mp camera and qwerty and I will love life! :)

NvyUs 2011-05-20 12:24
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1011007)
Thanks, I've now read the entire ML thread & don't see how it proves anything.
Yes there's some lamenting over the direction/s being taken....
But nothing that proves a total UI re-write was afoot due to poor carrier feedback.
Dont ask me any questions ever again,if you are not willing to accept answers its a waste of time for both of us
Everything I know to be Fact is now in this thread so no point anyone asking me anymore questions actually b/c I'd just be guessing

law138 2011-05-20 12:24
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Khertan (Post 1010896)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...Y6h9gBVM#t=51s

^^^ look at the reflect carrefully, it s an n950
Im not too sure about that it could be a n8 or e7 i have both and i think both have that red recording light.

Daneel 2011-05-20 12:25
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 1010991)
Its two Friends at Nokia and if you knew who they was you would be surprised, goodnight god bless
I believe you.

NvyUs 2011-05-20 12:26
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by law138 (Post 1011011)
Im not too sure about that it could be a n8 or e7 i have both and i think both have that red recording light.
N8 as no LED

OVK 2011-05-20 12:28
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 1010987)
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=903109&postcount=1
theres the post on the mailing list posted december as you can see they was reworking UI.
I want my widgets :(

sevla 2011-05-20 12:28
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Koajwujwer123 (Post 1010936)
And if you need further proof , i can confirm it.

The QWERTY device is for developers only. The keyboard less variant is the one which you will want once you see it. Better specs , beautiful device. Consumer oriented and not too far away. Will not go in to specifics for obvious reasons
This is such bu11shit.. i h8 when companies try to tell me what i want.. If i want the qwerty device why can't i just buy one.. Nokia is so f*cking frustrating..

Koajwujwer123 2011-05-20 12:29
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 1011013)
N8 as no LED
N8 has AF lamp which glows red when recording video.

misterc 2011-05-20 12:29
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Koajwujwer123 (Post 1010995)
Yes there will be only one device. And that will be the commercial device. Developer device does not count as it is not sold. Makes sense ?

Oh and as you would know currently there are absolutely no plans for another one after this commercial device. It would need a massive amount of consumer interest to change that decision. But i think this much is obvious.
you are even more ridiculous when you don't try then when you do :cool:
if the developer device is NOT going to be sold, why waste the money on certification? because it was once, years ago, supposed to be a customer device? :rolleyes:

amend that: according to
Quote:
Originally Posted by Verythrax (Post 1011082)
Please, stop. Don't use this useless rethoric. A communications device, to be used outside it's own development enviroment, needs to be FCC approved is US. Simple like that. If Nokia plans to give ONE phone to an american, it needs to be FCC certified.
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=837
nonetheless, the N900 was (and still is) a geek phone and still got sold quite well, considering its origins and there is no reason why NOKIA wouldn't want to get a share of that market, AGAIN.
if they did all the work, they might as well earn something from it.

marrat 2011-05-20 12:30
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OVK (Post 1011015)
I want my widgets :(
I couldn't care less about widgets... I don't use them on my N900, don't use them on my Desktop PC... but that's all a matter of taste...

generationally 2011-05-20 12:31
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1011018)
you are even more ridiculous when you don't try then when you do :cool:
if the developer device is NOT going to be sold, why waste the money on certification? because it was once, years ago, supposed to be a customer device? :rolleyes:
Because they cannot give it to US developers if it isn't certified

jalyst 2011-05-20 12:31
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 1011010)
Dont ask me any questions ever again,if you are not willing to accept answers its a waste of time for both of us
Everything I know to Fact is now in this thread so no point anyone asking me anymore questions actually b/c I'd just be guessing
OMG what a childish reaction....
If you're going to claim something as fact (i.e. H_M was too buggy, that's the primary reason we still don't have it), you need to be able to demonstrate the basis for that.
You've failed abysmally in doing that, so why should anyone accept (as you put it) your supposed truths/answers.
Fine by me if you don't want to prove the claim, claim remains unproven/uncorroborated.

Koajwujwer123 2011-05-20 12:31
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sevla (Post 1011016)
This is such bu11shit.. i h8 when companies try to tell me what i want.. If i want the qwerty device why can't i just buy one.. Nokia is so f*cking frustrating..
Old phone , old specs.

Look at E7 and N8. Which one sold more ? We Nokians want it to succeed. Consumers want more streamlined device.

Geeks = Niche , sad but this is how it is.

/pardon my english

NvyUs 2011-05-20 12:32
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1011018)
you are even more ridiculous when you don't try then when you do :cool:
if the developer device is NOT going to be sold, why waste the money on certification? because it was once, years ago, supposed to be a customer device? :rolleyes:
no b/c devs are maybe getting at MeeGo Conference and its on US soil

misterc 2011-05-20 12:32
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 1011010)
Dont ask me any questions ever again,if you are not willing to accept answers its a waste of time for both of us
Everything I know to be Fact is now in this thread so no point anyone asking me anymore questions actually b/c I'd just be guessing
we don't actually
unless you have some proof, whether reasoned or other, feel free to shut up :p
or admit you are wrong :cool:

OVK 2011-05-20 12:33
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by marrat (Post 1011020)
but that's all a matter of taste...
Yes indeed.

And that is why I like and use Maemo: ability to choose and customise.

NvyUs 2011-05-20 12:34
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1011027)
we don't actually
unless you have some proof, whether reasoned or other, feel free to shut up :p
or admit you are wrong :cool:
I love these trolls with 20 posts in a year telling me I'm Wrong They will be first to disappear again when they see consumer device launched
btw I'm going for a drink tonight with a Friend in the Know but no point sharing anything b/c its wrong any way. :D;)

jalyst 2011-05-20 12:36
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
^ post count /= IQ... not referring to you directly, just a general comment ;)

XWY-15-J-697 2011-05-20 12:36
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
to me home-screen is what makes UX different from each other (the rest is just "application launching area"). To me, the biggest glory of N900 lied in fantastic totally customizable home screen.

So if new Nokia device is deprived of it what is the difference between it an other "apps launching areas" of other OSs (as it seems it is only what is left (like iOS)

sorry I feel... disappointed

sevla 2011-05-20 12:38
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Koajwujwer123 (Post 1011024)
Old phone , old specs.

Look at E7 and N8. Which one sold more ? We Nokians want it to succeed. Consumers want more streamlined device.

Geeks = Niche , sad but this is how it is.

/pardon my english
They should still provide an avenue to purchase one for those who are interested. Maybe like a developer purchase program or something. Not everyone can take time off to fly to a stupid Meego conference. If I would have known this was going to happen I would have just booked a flight and stayed at a friends house. It would have been cheaper then having to pay the ridiculous prices that will undoubtedly happen on Ebay due to the limited quantities of the keyboard version. Hell it might even end up being a good collectors item. The last open source phone + keyboard developed by Nokia.

misterc 2011-05-20 12:38
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 1011025)
no b/c devs are maybe getting at MeeGo Conference and its on US soil
there are not being sold or distributed widely thus they don't need certification, do they?

law138 2011-05-20 12:39
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 1011013)
N8 as no LED
Your right but it does have the red recording light.

Koajwujwer123 2011-05-20 12:39
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 1011030)
I love these trolls with 20 posts in a year telling me I'm Wrong They will be first to disappear again when they see consumer device launched
btw I'm going for a drink tonight with a Friend in the Know but no point sharing anything b/c its wrong any way. :D;)
^ This. Why the skepticism when people who know are telling you.

msnbcnnbcbs 2011-05-20 12:39
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1011018)
you are even more ridiculous when you don't try then when you do :cool:
if the developer device is NOT going to be sold, why waste the money on certification? because it was once, years ago, supposed to be a customer device? :rolleyes:
"The problem, says our source, is in relation to the “flimsy” hardware keyboard mechanism, which fell short of operator standards. "
http://eu.techcrunch.com/2011/02/12/...-first-device/

I'm guessing they didn't want problems with the FCC since they were going to be handing them out, or maybe selling them through back-channels.

misterc 2011-05-20 12:41
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sevla (Post 1011034)
They should still provide an avenue to purchase one for those who are interested. Maybe like a developer purchase program or something. Not everyone can take time off to fly to a stupid Meego conference. If I would have known this was going to happen I would have just booked a flight and stayed at a friends house. It would have been cheaper then having to pay the ridiculous prices that will undoubtedly happen on Ebay due to the limited quantities of the keyboard version. Hell it might even end up being a good collectors item. The last open source phone + keyboard developed by Nokia.
don't worry, you'll be able to get a RM-680 from your favourite phone shop for free w/ a one or two yrs subscription

Koajwujwer123 2011-05-20 12:41
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sevla (Post 1011034)
They should still provide an avenue to purchase one for those who are interested. Maybe like a developer purchase program or something. Not everyone can take time off to fly to a stupid Meego conference. If I would have known this was going to happen I would have just booked a flight and stayed at a friends house. It would have been cheaper then having to pay the ridiculous prices that will undoubtedly happen on Ebay due to the limited quantities of the keyboard version. Hell it might even end up being a good collectors item. The last open source phone + keyboard developed by Nokia.
I'm not sure but i think the Forum Nokia Developer Device program should have a limited quantity available. But i insist that unless you critically want a keyboard , the consumer device WILL be better.

RAZOR 2011-05-20 12:43
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Koajwujwer123 (Post 1011024)
Old phone , old specs.

Look at E7 and N8. Which one sold more ? We Nokians want it to succeed. Consumers want more streamlined device.

Geeks = Niche , sad but this is how it is.

/pardon my english
http://admin.conversations.nokia.com.../NokiaU004.jpg

Does the "consumer device" look anything like this ^

Koajwujwer123 2011-05-20 12:43
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1011035)
there are not being sold or distributed widely thus they don't need certification, do they?
Any cellphone which is being publically distributed ( not general public but outside development environment , i hope you understood) needs to be FCC certified. Regulations.

Koajwujwer123 2011-05-20 12:45
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RAZOR (Post 1011041)
http://admin.conversations.nokia.com.../NokiaU004.jpg

Does the "consumer device" look anything like this ^
Will not comment. But it is a departure from the N8/E7 design philosophy.

Jedibeeftrix 2011-05-20 12:45
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RAZOR (Post 1011041)
http://admin.conversations.nokia.com.../NokiaU004.jpg

Does the "consumer device" look anything like this ^
i hope so!

Verythrax 2011-05-20 12:46
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
I think the QWERTY didn't sold less because people doesn't want keyboards. The price difference is that wasn't effective, and the headstart that the N8 had over E7 wasn't really fair ;)

Release a killer phone, with just the keyboard option and it will sell well, I think.

We have this confirmed, that there will be keyboardless consumer device? If so, I wonder how I could get a dev device :/

misterc 2011-05-20 12:46
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Koajwujwer123 (Post 1011042)
Any cellphone which is being publically distributed ( not general public but outside development environment , i hope you understood) needs to be FCC certified. Regulations.
yes, my point, exactly...
INSIDE development environment, thus, no certification required.

vi_ 2011-05-20 12:46
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1011035)
there are not being sold or distributed widely thus they don't need certification, do they?
-_-.

Telecommunications equipment has to be tested and be in compliances with FCC Part 68. FCC Part 68 is the FCC Certification for connection to the telephone network. FCC has privatized some of the FCC Part 68 requirements. More information on regulatory compliance can be found at FCC Part 68

Koajwujwer123 2011-05-20 12:48
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Verythrax (Post 1011046)
I think the QWERTY didn't sold less because people doesn't want keyboards. The price difference is that wasn't effective, and the headstart that the N8 had over E7 wasn't really fair ;)

Release a killer phone, with just the keyboard option and it will sell well, I think.

We have this confirmed, that there will be keyboardless consumer device? If so, I wonder how I could get a dev device :/
With good software keyboards it is not really necessary to have a hardware keyboard. Remember those on this forum are not the average consumer. For you there is the dev device. Well those who can manage to get it anyway.

delmar 2011-05-20 12:48
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Damn, this thread is to fast (lol)

I'm always a few pages behind reading the posts. And when I come back from another thread, then its impossible to stay behind all the posts.


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