Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Everybody's talking 'bout a new way of walking?

what way is that jolla?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I do believe that Tegra 3 or what ever nvidia product will not be the case:
1. Lack of proper linux support.
2. proprietary closed driver with no data sheets makes user to be forced to use only kernels that are available from nvidia developers.
3. High price, high demand on the market for tegra 3 (see as Nexus 7 is tablet gamebraker)(for big companies like LG, ASUS, Huawei etc.)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Guys, did none of you hear about libhybris?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Sorry if I got this wrong but wouldn't that mean that mer could run on any android device?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

That is ****ing awesome!

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

This is beyond ****ing awesome.

However, time will tell how useful this really is... In the real world.

Seeing is believing!

Well done Mr munk!

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Yea, cause if this is fully and properly developed, it means great things, not just for mer and jolla, but Linux on mobile in general.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

libhybris in action (tweet from stskeeps)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Blog post about libhybris from stskeeps: https://plus.google.com/113386402913...ts/9LF6atjc455

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

That took you guys waaay too long to find!

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Re: which SoC it'll have.

There's no way it'll be Tegra3, at least not unless Jolla have lost their minds. It's by no means the cheapest of current chipsets, and has pretty poor CPU & GPU performance compared with competition. It's basically a highly gimped (and I do mean highly) A9 with a companion core. The GPU is slower than everything from Imagination, ARM and even Qualcomm. Power consumption is bottom of class, too.

Given the launch window they're aiming at, there's really no reason for it not to be an A15, which would be hugely beneficial for several reasons:

Absolute performance.
Performance per watt.
Major idle state and general power consumption improvements over A9 on a smaller process.
Marketing - headline specs are a big part of selling a product now.
As they're unlikely to have a suite of custom imaging chips for photos / video (unlike Nokia / Samsung etc), any fancy stuff they want to do in software for the camera is most likely going to have to be done by the CPU and GPU ... if it's a mid spec A9, that's probably going to result in a pretty laggy, unresponsive camera.


Personally, I'd also be very disappointed if it was a Qualcomm Krait S4 ... whilst a bit quicker than the current A9s, it's still miles behind projected A15 performance and performance per watt.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

No disrespect meant; however the information is far too spread out. Pieces of it are on your Twitter feed (which I follow), some at certain websites, some on other blogs. None of it in a centralized location.

Even researched fans/members have to hunt for this stuff. And once found, we have to connect the dots.

A lot of work for even the dedicated. There are places where this probably exists as it paints the entire picture. But I don't know of any of them.

Remember... communication is the key.

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FWIW, I've done libhybris in my free time, but it does solve a number of challenges for non-Android systems in mobile Linux. My primary channels of communication are twitter and my G+ these days.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

That is becouse we are hunting for Jolla announcement news.

Nothing is more nothing less. We are blinded!

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Dave999; look thru' the subliminal message in Stskeeps work...

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Attachment 28712

looks promising

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Links wanted... All of them!

I want me some mer on touchpad fun ;)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

What message? I want the message!

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

after watching Jussi Hurmola presentation at Open Knowledge Festival, it seriously looks like Jolla knows exactly what they want to do and how they will do it. And community does play a big role in their plans

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I've heard about libhybris a while ago only because Stskeeps spoke about it on the Mer IRC :) But really, Mer developers need a more streamlined communication. Like making a community site already for Mer and derivatives. Waiting for TMO to transition to that role can take months if not more. I think it's becoming pointless.

I personally don't use neither G+ nor Twitter or FB. So Jolla's Twitter communication is a rather unpleasant treatment as well.

May be something like Mer planet can be created, which will aggregate feeds from developers and other involved people around Mer into one user friendly feed? http://planet.merproject.org or something?

Something like this sort:

http://planet.mozilla.org
http://planet.debian.org
http://planetkde.org
http://planet.gnome.org
http://planet.jabber.org

It'll really be very helpful to see what's going on.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

You can read everything there is to read about jolla at www.jolla.com

They bought it for $50,000. Well spent money so far ;)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

About "lack of communication" :

They use utube, planetqt, qt-project.org, twitter, facebook, IRC, G+ and is mainly as you said "developers". Many of them is working freetime with development because thats mainly what they like to do. Marketing is something that others can help with by following those "channels".

I am sure we can help them with marketing by spread the world about what happens in the MER, Meego, QT world.

I mean I really is suprised we have so few links about development stuff in this forum? There are several new thread per week about how" pissed we are at nokia". IMHO. nemomobile, Qt Threads, and development threads should be Active topics frontpage every damn day on this forum instead of Nokiastock etc.. (yes I know I also post in that thread... but anyway...)

So Again its upto us helping getting the communications forwarded to people who not sitting on IRC etc... Remember the community includes everyone on this forum except the trolls ;) So its up to us.

Personally I dont see any communication problems so far from the mer team. Just following the above channels and you get the info and can help by post cool intresting stuff here or elsewhere when it comes up :)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Jolla has been quite non-commital about if they're running on ARM or Intel. My take on the whole thing is that Jolla is or was having talks with Intel (pretty sensible anyway, as Intel was a MeeGo partner). But whether it will be Intel depends on how much Intel is willing to commit to the partnership. The whole situation is of course complicated by Tizen with Samsung.

So in the end, it's money and politics. Like always. Anyways, Jolla is our best hope for future and I'm rooting for them whatever the underlying architecture.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

+1 ;)

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I proposed to create a new forum or to move to opentablets. Or at least to make a subsection for Mer here. No one seemed to be eager until now. TMO is too bloated with noise and offtopics IMO.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Tizen is moving so slowly, it's like watching paint dry :rolleyes:
Intel will ditch Tizen immediately If Jolla rolls out a Linux phone this year ;)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

all this hype around samsung is bad. I dont like any big corporation, whatever people says I do not beleive a second that tizen+samsung will be reality. Samsung is copycats, like ms and apple, and will continueuse android and possible wp8 in the future. But IF jolla be nextgen open "ecisystem" they will start copy that too..

but I doubt jolla will get any chance to be big but I dont care as long as its open as possible and release a new "geek toy" once a year...

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Future Jolla App developers here is a request
Please.....Please
If jolla makes a big screen phone - like above 4.3 inches
Please port Linux CNC (formerly known as EMC2) to it and add support for BT keyboard with little mouse pad (like I have on my little BT keyboard) so I can do stuff like this

http://youtu.be/6UagccI5zb4
http://youtu.be/iDX_fa1KFI0
http://youtu.be/KxqcLmIekrE
http://youtu.be/FQj--00dTeQ
http://youtu.be/aYb668UaFF4
http://youtu.be/OlX6FpGOOkc
It would be total bada** to walk up to a Haas CNC mill and connect to the usb port and run a program using DNC along with full file browser and transfer capabilities and have the CNC code on the left half of your screen and the simulator on the right half and just be watching it and it's playing on your screen at the same time as the CNC is milling it.
For a portable device it needs to have either a big screen or else you have to be able to zoom in and out quickly & effortlessly or some compromise between the two because a little mistake in a fine detail can block your program from running when you create your toolpaths.
If you fail to connect 2 lines or you fail to scissor cut off the excess of two lines that is only obvious if you zoom in by 10x then it will block your toolpath creations.

Of course you will not be making parts start to finish on the phone or phablet unless they are just simple but there needs to be a certain level of ability to edit. You will most likely be making your parts on Mastercam or solidworks or another program on a desktop and then transferring them to the phone and then walking up to a CNC and connecting and running it. WIFI network support where you can get a file wirelessly from the guy in the office who designed the part would be a big plus.

Anyways.. if you were able to port this to a Jolla phone and it worked good and was practical, maaaaan you would score a whole segment of society just for Jolla - the CNC operators and programmers.

That would be total bada** and win bragging rights.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I simply want something that's gona surprise, amaze, enthrall and beguile me. Something fast, stylish and different to all the other stuff around.

Not Nokia.
Not Samsung.
Not Apple.
Not Blackberry.
Just Jolla ©

Hehe - and I hereby claim copyright to that :D

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

i may have mentioned it here.... a while back, but nobody got the hint ;)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I thought you were name-calling... :p

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

That's almost 10 bookmarks I'd have to parse through for one piece of information and how it may, or may not, play out in the grand scheme of things. I personally don't find that too efficient.

Compare it to coming here for idle chat and chat from developers and announcements for all things Maemo. If I wanted to, I know the location for all things MeeGo.

Not the case for Jolla. We shouldn't have to seek out that much for the whole picture. The moment we want intricate/intimate details, then all of the above you've listed is what's necessary to drill down into that and make sure we're well informed in dev and announcements around bits we specify as intriguing.

Being a part of the "street team" is only good when we're all informed equally and fully.

We're not.

Okay this... I fully agree with 100%

I disagree fully here. I don't see a communication problem per se, I see a potential communication problem. And unconfirmed information - which may very well be interesting - is not what I want to read. I want confirmed information, locations of where I can go to be better informed on SDK's and a full picture painted and where I should go to make sure it's an official resource and not a blog that loves clicks more than they do the truth.

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Do you think jolla will pull a web stream release or will they keep the limited information and announce it on twitter?

If I were them. I would have done a small but special campaign to trigger extra interested. with a 30 days countdown.

One short movie every day, where they asking avrage joe on the street a specific interesting question so that the world slowly get a picture of the phone. but without seeing the phone. (except for the customer or if the want to use actors)

day 1.
Q:what do you think this is?
A: It's the future!

day2: question about specific design or features or usability:

day3 and so forth until the last day release the image of the phone and full spec and SDK's and other stuff. This all shall be presented on jolla.com

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Dave999, IMO that would be a very wrong move!

Remember this is small [and insignificant in size] Company not some large MNC that can hype things up...

The more they hype the higher the chances of people being disappointed! Remember always under-promise and over-deliver!

Do Apple, constantly come out with such before launching the new iPhone or iPad? They don't as they want to present one "magical" package on announcement day for everyone to get wowed...

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Sure but they are also on everybody's radar with blogs, newspapers, users etc. They dont need to get out there.

jolla on the other hand would get lots of press for free if the slowly announced small things without announcing the real deal or actual featuers. Bloggers and maybe even newspaper would pick up some of the information and more people would now about jolla.

They dont need the hype. the need to get out the word of their existence.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I wholeheartedly agree.

I think the way Jolla are going about things is pretty well the best way for them.
Nothing wrong with us here speculating about Jolla and what device they may release but I think sometimes it gets a little too far-fetched and crazy.

And no matter what we want or wish it matters little until they actually produce and bring to market their first device.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

so what is best when you announcing your phone.

If
one man know about the company?
or
five men knows about the company?

knowledge of the companies selling. You do know companies using commercials for a reason, right?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

You can't promote / advertise a product until there is a product ready to come to market and therefore be promoted / advertised.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Im not talking about the product. Im taling about the name JOLLA.

Im not talking about a hype. I talking about to get the name out.

Im not talking the actuall product, im talking about leads to give blogs and pople to open there eyes and connect jolla to something the knowing about when its time for release.

Im talking about friends talking about jolla and spreading the word.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

OK. But do you not think credit should be given to Jolla for doing things how they feel is best. It's not up to you / us to plan / decide how they should be going forward.