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mikecomputing

2013-05-18 17:36

Re: Jolla Sailfish Is stunning! Now on video!

Lenovo other half?

Hariainm

2013-05-18 17:38

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I thought we are talking about Eurovision contest...

Dave999

2013-05-18 17:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hariainm (Post 1344615)

I thought we are talking about Eurovision contest...

No, we are talking about what jolla is good at? Any suggestions?

HtheB

2013-05-18 17:59

Guys, please stay ontopic now. Otherwise this topic will land into the off-topic area.

Morpog

2013-05-18 18:08

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement

Lenovo just released their long announced Intel based android device in china (K900).

http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/17/l...hipping-china/

Dave999

2013-05-18 18:11

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morpog (Post 1344623)

Lenovo just released their long announced Intel based android device in china (K900).

http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/17/l...hipping-china/

Yes, that is exactly the size I want. That one with sailfish wound be amazing. So boring if they trying to sell a 4.x inch phone.

Morpog

2013-05-18 18:18

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement

Is that a white N9 with black cover, or is that something unknown new?

http://abload.de/img/unbenanntiuk4s.jpg

http://abload.de/img/unbenanntk9siq.jpg

Dave999

2013-05-18 18:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Morpog (Post 1344628)

Is that a white N9 with black cover, or is that something unknown new?

http://abload.de/img/unbenanntiuk4s.jpg

Its a n9 with without usb cover. Unfortunately.

ivgalvez

2013-05-18 18:22

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement

Quote:

Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1344543)

then why didn't Council or Board keep talking to the ppl they were in contact with initially?

We sent several messages to the original speakers from Jolla but receive no answer, till someone else from the company started to talk to other community members in different terms, completely bypassing HiFo Board.

It's perfectly arguable that Board might not performed correctly in this communication, but it wasn't Board who stopped it.

mikecomputing

2013-05-18 18:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Morpog (Post 1344623)

Lenovo just released their long announced Intel based android device in china (K900).

http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/17/l...hipping-china/

Yup but still I think Lenovo would win ALOT going sailfish route atleast in China. Also they have cash AFAIK...

Morpog

2013-05-18 18:23

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement

This is a Cyan N9 for sure. Damn I want it on my N9 too :(

http://abload.de/img/unbenannt16k6t.jpg

mikecomputing

2013-05-18 18:28

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On the video I saw atleast three lenovo laptops :P

Morpog

2013-05-18 18:41

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Just got an update for Jolla Countdown 2 app.

thedead1440

2013-05-18 18:51

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Resisting the temptation to close this thread as well as not to delete the off-topic posts on the device announcement thread, a merge and movement to off-topic has been done.

Dave999

2013-05-18 19:03

Re: Jolla Sailfish Is stunning! Now on video!

Quote:

Originally Posted by thedead1440 (Post 1344641)

Resisting the temptation to close this thread as well as not to delete the off-topic posts on the device announcement thread, a merge and movement to off-topic has been done.

why not merge this with the other jolla thread here in OT. You took the easy road, please complete the transfer so we dont have multiple threads for no reason.

thedead1440

2013-05-18 19:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1344646)

why not merge this with the other jolla thread here in OT. You took the easy road, please complete the transfer so we dont have multiple threads for no reason.

You may want to consider using the "Report This!" button to report this thread to the off-topic moderator. I don't have the privs required to moderate off-topic so I did what I could.

Dave999

2013-05-18 19:16

Re: Jolla Sailfish Is stunning! Now on video!

Quote:

Originally Posted by thedead1440 (Post 1344649)

You may want to consider using the "Report This!" button to report this thread to the off-topic moderator. I don't have the privs required to moderate off-topic so I did what I could.

ok, too bad. thx. I never using the report button. Unless someone going fo real persanal attacks.

if you are an off topic moderator and reading these lines. Please merge the two big jolla threads to one epic one.

thedead1440

2013-05-18 19:21

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement

Quote:

Originally Posted by ivgalvez (Post 1344631)

We send several messages to the original speakers from Jolla but receive no answer, till someone else from the company started to talk to other community members in different terms, completely bypassing HiFo Board.

It's perfectly arguable that Board might not performed correctly in this communication, but it wasn't Board who stopped it.

Now that we are in OT territory, lets not try to practice revisionist history.

HiFo's BoD was hugely responsible for the above situation (NDA anyone?) so there was no bypassing but simply concerned community members looking into things. To expect people to remain silent in this open place when the BoD was failing at almost every of its objective is nothing short of insanity IMO.

thedead1440

2013-05-18 19:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1344650)

ok, too bad. thx. I never using the report button. Unless someone going fo real persanal attacks.

Well then you fail to comprehend the all-encompassing purpose of the button. Its meant to be something anybody can use to bring anything to the attention of a moderator e.g. request to merge threads, move posts, edit posts etc

Dave999

2013-05-18 19:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by thedead1440 (Post 1344655)

yes I do :D The Reason is that I dont beleive or support moderation or moving threads, post, delete Or Change Stuff On The web. (Unless Its Abuse Of Some Person)

So Im Trying To Stay Out Of It :)

ZogG	2013-05-18 21:04

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement

Quote:

Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1344542)

remember Maemo?
bet you do
well, Maemo was the archetypical proof that open source can only be a commercial failure.
NOKIA's decision not to build in a GSM module until the N900 was very likely a contributing factor to the commercial failure of the Maemo project.
nonetheless, open-source can not be a commercial undertaking. its licensing mostly excludes it, as most open source software come with the requirement to make any changes available as source code.
can't run a profitable business like this.

and don't give me the rubbish of ANDroid being open-source, respectively being profitable; Google gives ANDroid away practically for free and doesn't make money with it but with the advertisement they keep the right to display on any device that runs it
and the companies that license ANDroid making money is not equal to Google making money.

so, Jolla.
not sure what you expect from them, except that they go bankrupt like Maemo / MeeGo did.
if Jolla wants to have even a remote chance to break even, they have to do it differently.
maybe you haven't learned anything from the Maemo / MeeGo experiment, but the ppl @ Jolla (a lot of whom MADE Maemo / MeeGo) did, thankfully.

from your argument with Mike, looks like you are a dreamer...

Mozilla Foundation profitable? i don't think so
privately hold, thus they don't have to waste their hard earned $$$$$s on greedy shareholders but can reinvest every cent of it
the only Linux distro which made a PBO and survived to tell the story is RedHat. and in 2004 they had to create that bastard worthless Fedora to get a better grip on "who runs RedHat software" (can't access the repositories after 30 days trial unless buying a license; that's definitely not open source, sorry)

check your facts, pls
open source is not profitable and can not be run as a commercial public quoted company
period

Openess is not always open source. again it's about COMMUNICATION and if you saying that Nokia didn't fail on not listening to the customers, who even sent patches to bugs (which were not accepted). where noone knew roadmap, and ended bying something that was dead before born. It's not only Elop. I do remember 3/4 steps and than 4/5 steps and so on :) It was always just prove of concept. But if company claims to do it right, it's also communication.
P.S. And opensource can bring money, you don't need to open everything, but still to make most parts opensource and to tell community what is going on at least. (Metawatch, Raspeberry Pi and more). As far as i heard Jolla has enuf $$.

ZogG	2013-05-18 21:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by thedead1440 (Post 1344641)

Resisting the temptation to close this thread as well as not to delete the off-topic posts on the device announcement thread, a merge and movement to off-topic has been done.

No one knows if it's announcement or what, so it's just speculation. Anyway you would have at least 20 threads the day of announcement :) For now it's just another speculation-promotion thread. So not sure where is offtopic if there is still no topic :)

Morpog

2013-05-18 22:52

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It was clearly said on several Jolla employes twitter accounts that they show the device on 20th.

http://abload.de/img/jolladay1w5ljc.png

Kangal

2013-05-19 00:05

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Hey I just realized something, Jolla phone is going to suck.

...wait, wait, hear me out...

Remember when the N900 was revealed?
We all thought "man a 500MHz processor, that's dog, a phone with real processing power".

And within 1-1.5 years it was severely obsoleted because we had a 1GHz processing, Dual core, and 1GB of RAM.

Now, I feel like Jolla's going to release something with a Snapdragon.
Particularly the nimble (and blazing) 1.5GHz S4 Dual, with 1/2GB of RAM.
...that's awesome.
But the problem with that is soon we're going to get 2GHz, 64-bit architecture, 4GB of RAM in the near future.

Something like that would probably run desktop grade 'nix without much need of "dumbing down" during a port.

The industry's about to leap to the next-gen, and I feel like we're going to repeat the whole N900/N9/N950 saga again.

sillieidiot

2013-05-19 03:16

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so don't ever buy a phone, or any tech for that matter. cause that happens constantly.

Akkumaru

2013-05-19 03:31

The moore's law is ending, so technology won't advance as fast as it did before. So things will become obselete more slowly than before.

Kangal

2013-05-19 04:28

Re: Jolla Sailfish Is stunning! Now on video!

Quote:

Originally Posted by sillieidiot (Post 1344720)

so don't ever buy a phone, or any tech for that matter. cause that happens constantly.

Don't be a Silly iDiot.
I mean technology always moves forwards, but sometimes it takes certain leaps.

For instance, tech really took a leap:
'03- From 69MHz and 16MB RAM
'05- To 100MHz and 64MB RAM (GUI's became feasible)
'07- To 400MHz, ARMv6 and 128MB RAM (Processing vastly improved)
'10- To 1GHz, Dedicated GPU, and 512MB RAM (Modern-day computing achieved)
'12- To 1.5GHz, Dualcore, 1GB RAM (Improvements across the board, console like gaming)
'14/'15- To 2GHz, 64-bit, 4GB RAM (desktop grade performance)

The in-between leaps didn't make much difference.
(eg/ Nexus One vs Desire HD)

An N900 fares well against a 3GS in performance, but is notably underwhelming against a 4.
Just as the N9 is notably weaker than a SGSII or 4S.
Will the Jolla-phone provide us with impressive console-like performance while the industry makes the leap to Desktop Grade performance?

mikecomputing

2013-05-19 08:42

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZogG (Post 1344683)

No they don't have "enough money" theyr next raise for money is in June. Probadly thats why they announce device now. They want to show possible investors that they had progressed and need more cash for going forward to get bigger. That means more developers, marketing people and so on in the company and even if they do FOSS they have to get salary. Thats a fact you can dream asmuch as you want about fully open etc...

mikecomputing

2013-05-19 10:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kangal (Post 1344709)

I think theyr phone is intel based.

Dave999

2013-05-19 10:18

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This phone is NOT a proper working tool. It's a toy.

Every device and vendor need iterations...

mikecomputing

2013-05-19 10:43

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I think about this when hang up my laundy:

I still think its Lenovo OR/AND intel who is other half... But Now I think more and more its probadly IS intel...

So question is how many here will get angry when Jolla tomorrow will tell us that Intel is the "other Half?"

Lets think about it: 2011 Elop doomed Meego. The team behind Maemo/Meego splitted up some started working for WP some gone to S40 team, some left for Intel and so on.

We don't know exact what was translated from Nokia to Jolla but it may very well be Jolla team "buy out" theyr prototype nextgen Meego device(s) from Nokia and we all know the team did work on a nextgen Intel meego phone.

The most logical IS that this is what we will see. I dont say its those prototype but some kind of iteration of it. We have to face it it takes years to come up with a device. Escpecially when the team is under 100 developers.

I know that about STEricsson partner but still it could be a member too but smoke to make it look like STEricsson was the main partner.

Kangal

2013-05-19 12:46

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An "Intel phone" ?

I hope not !
Currently the only plausibilities for this are the chips:

Intel Atom Z2460 - 1.6GHz (Lenovo K800)
Intel Atom Z2480 - 1.8GHz (Motorola RAZR i)
Intel Atom Z2580 - 2GHz (Lenovo K900)
Intel Atom Z2760 - 2GHz (Acer W510) - The most recent product, Clover Trail+

Intel also has other Z-line chips but they're either too large and generate too much heat, or they're too thirsty running at ~9W whereas you need an average power draw of ~4.5W for mobile phones (~8W for 10" tablets).

So currently Intel's best seem to run a tad slower than Qualcomm's 1.5GHz Dualcore S4's (except in browsing where it is surprisingly the market leader) and it also runs a tad thirstier.

Now the real magic is going to be in the next-gen.
Intel's promised to soon update the CloverTrail+ products that it only recently launched. That means sometime this year we'll get to see Bay Trail.

Intel will be pushing the 32nm to 22nm fabrication (and the usual 1.8GHz to 2.1GHz).
It will remove hyperthreading while introducing a Quadcore configuration.
And since this is Intel doing it, you won't see a drop in battery life because of those 2 extra cores (unlike most unproven competitors). On top of this, they're including a proper GPU, which also supports MS's own Direct X11 (as well as OGLES).

All of this would amount to a ~60% increase in performance, without affecting the battery life.
Or in layman's terms, about as thirsty and powerful as the latest Qualcomm Snapdragon 800 (aka Quad S4 PRO).

And if that wasn't good enough, Haswell is launching in a matter of weeks.
Intel will officially offer some Haswell (Core i3, Core i5, Core i7) chips with as low as 8W of power. That's targeted at tablets.... well, they're too big to fit inside a phone anyway. However, Intel is actually going to best themselves too, and its likely that we'll see a 5W Haswell processor (7in tablets anyone?).

http://cdn.macnn.com/news/1211/intel-bay-lg2.jpg
http://cdn.macnn.com/news/1211/intel-bay-lg3.jpg

Dave999

2013-05-19 12:52

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Intel is not the other half.

If so that is the worst commercial ever!

This must be something related to the consumer.

jalyst

2013-05-19 13:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kangal (Post 1344709)

You really came up with all of that yourself, that's amazing powers of deduction/logic :p

Quote:

Originally Posted by thedead1440 (Post 1344652)

+1 Although I suspect you may be reading a bit much into what he said.
I'm not sure he meant to sound as accusatory, at least I hope he didn't.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kangal (Post 1344725)

An N900 fares well against a 3GS in performance, but is notably underwhelming against a 4.
Just as the N9 is notably weaker than a SGSII or 4S.
Will the Jolla-phone provide us with impressive console-like performance while the industry makes the leap to Desktop Grade performance?

I'm not sure why you're unaware of the fact that the core hw will be sub-par.
They've been flashing a neon sign the whole time, hinting that it'll be quite a few notches below industry leading core hw/specs.

They will try to differentiate on:

(1)
sw still runs very smooth regardless of the sub-par core specs

(2)
one or more unique/innovative or industry leading hw features

(3)
the entire sw stack (or aspects of it)

(4)
"ecosystem" flexibility.

It's not "magical", but being a tiny start-up that's all they got to go with...
If sales do reasonably well, they may be more aggressive with core hw in future iterations (or maybe not).
So long as the price isn't too high, I'll be happy with sub-par "core" specs.

misterc

2013-05-19 13:19

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement

Quote:

Originally Posted by thedead1440 (Post 1344652)

thedead1440,
Ivan replied to my original post

Quote:

Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1344507)

[...]
about the "no support to this community by Jolla"...
end of last year there were contacts between Council (Board?) and Jolla, but apparently the contact got sabotaged; if memory serves well by some Council / Board members.
[...]

i have been dropping in & out (more out then in, honestly) of TMO since a few months, sometimes not even coming to the site weeks at end and i only heard about the failed attempt to get Jolla on the sponsor list of Maemo.org after the fact, during a Council meeting, in the heat of an other argument.
my mistake
Ivan himself points out that BoD didn't do a good job, but obviously, Council / Board kept trying to talk to Jolla, without success.
looks to me like the confusion was as much if not more Jolla's responsability

this being said, Jolla has a link to Maemo.org on each topic page (see Modular Jolla Phones: A New Age In Mobile ?)
i don't think Maemo.org paid anything for that?

Morpog

2013-05-19 22:11

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http://abload.de/img/jolladay-end2x1km6.png

nodevel

2013-05-19 22:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1344802)

this being said, Jolla has a link to Maemo.org on each topic page (see Modular Jolla Phones: A New Age In Mobile ?)
i don't think Maemo.org paid anything for that?

You realize that 'jollatides.com' is just a fanpage, not affiliated with Jolla, right?

JiiHoo

2013-05-20 09:17

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https://twitter.com/JollaHQ/status/3...349376/photo/1