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jakibaki

2017-10-04 20:17

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1535878)

Yes and you have to pay Microsoft for a windows **** license to flash a Linux phone. Thats the mos fun of all.

And yes I don't care if there is an unofficial flasher that "may" be used in Linux since not even Jolla is sure it will/is possible.

Thats an epic fail. To them who don't understand it I DONT HAVE WINDOWS AND I DONT WILL NOT BUY A WINDOWS LICENCE?

did you people get my point now or should I repeat one more time!?

You don't have to buy a windows license... If you insist on doing it the official way you can simply download this official windows vm completely legally without having to pay anything.

deprecated

2017-10-04 20:23

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1535878)

You don't have to buy a license for anything. There is an officially available VM that requires no purchase whatsoever. Couple that with VirtualBox with a USB passthrough, and your argument literally doesn't exist anymore.

mikecomputing

2017-10-04 21:09

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by jakibaki (Post 1535880)

You don't have to buy a windows license... If you insist on doing it the official way you can simply download this official windows vm completely legally without having to pay anything.

Oh cmon I give up....

santeira

2017-10-04 21:15

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1535878)

Yes and you have to pay Microsoft for a windows **** license to flash a Linux phone. Thats the mos fun of all.

And yes I don't care if there is an unofficial flasher that "may" be used in Linux since not even Jolla is sure it will/is possible.

Thats an epic fail. To them who don't understand it I DONT HAVE WINDOWS AND I DONT WILL NOT BUY A WINDOWS LICENCE?

did you people get my point now or should I repeat one more time!?

...sorry, i don't get it, could you please,...:cool:

nahh, c'mon dude, :D
scnr

kinggo

2017-10-04 21:18

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by maximilian1st (Post 1535876)

Because you use the wrong receiver ;-p
https://dreamboxedit.com/

errrr..... this exactly just proves my point. No linux version in sight. For a linux based device.

Wolda

2017-10-04 21:22

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Just a quick comment: I have purchased Sailfish X from Jolla Shop. I used a voucher that I have received from the Jolla Tablet Refund, and during the whole process, the only geographic-dependent step was agreeing with the terms of conditions, which in particular mentions that Sailfish X is currently being sold only in EU/Norway/Switzerland.

Indeed, we do not know yet how much different the process is going to be if one will not be using a voucher, and also how the download procedures will exactly go. I think the easiest is simply wait, we should learn that in a week.

jakibaki

2017-10-04 22:23

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

I can confirm that flashing this image via the open source flashtool unlocks the oem partition for fastboot flashing!

So no requirement for emma at all and flashing Sailfish X on Linux/macOS will most likely just be a matter of updating using flashtool and replacing the flash.bat with this flash.sh!

richie

2017-10-04 23:02

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by jakibaki (Post 1535895)

I can confirm that flashing this image via the open source flashtool unlocks the oem partition for fastboot flashing!

Excellent. Though I spotted the md5sums don't match for flashtool downloads. I posted about it in the unlocking boot loader thread.

Hoping someone can share their md5sum of flashtool to workout if website md5 is wrong or files tampered with.

Rich

jakibaki

2017-10-04 23:08

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by richie (Post 1535896)

At the very least the flashtool.net website appears to be the official one since it's linked in the top post of this immensely popular xda-thread so it's probably just a mistake by the person who maintains the website (especially since if someone took over the website for malicious purposes and changed the links to infected ones they could also have changed the md5sum to the infected version).

deprecated

2017-10-05 00:51

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1535889)

Oh cmon I give up....

Good. Your comments are consistently disruptive and unproductive. Rather than contributing to the discussion at hand, you're complaining about semantics... when your version of the semantics aren't even true.

If you don't wish to flash an Xperia X with Windows, don't. But please, let this community continue onward with the task at hand.

ste-phan

2017-10-05 03:35

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Are the chances good that a 64GB F5122 dual SIM version will be flashable and behave with current official Sailfish X like the F5121 single SIM version?

I can only lay my hands on the dual SIM version and frankly I do have user scenario's for dual SIM phones.

Edit: found this answer by James Noori on Sailfish X blog: 25 Sept 2017:

Unfortunately there are possible issues with the modem of the device if you have the dual-sim version. Depending on your SIM card, it may or may not work and unfortunately we don’t currently have a way of telling what the issue is. Other than that the rest of the OS should work similarly but because of that critical issue we do not officially recommend anyone to buy or stay with F5122.

Instead of 2 SIM in the possible future it means possibly no SIM at present

mousse04

2017-10-05 05:01

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by jakibaki (Post 1535895)

If I remembered well, you were on a community build right? so, why did you flash the android image back ?

Thanks

jakibaki

2017-10-05 05:48

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by mousse04 (Post 1535901)

If I remembered well, you were on a community build right? so, why did you flash the android image back ?

Thanks

To test wether the fastboot partition is writable after updating via flashtool :)

I have to admit that at first I attemped to only partially update the firmware (get the fastboot update without overwriting Sailfish OS) which only kinda worked: The partition was writable after the update and Sailfish OS still booted but it broke the Wifi and Modem so I must have overwritten a wrong partition.

So I had to flash the full android update and then reflash Sailfish OS which fixed everything.

pexi	2017-10-05 06:15

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by jakibaki (Post 1535895)

So I will do it with Linux flashtool as I did the downgrade to MM. Thanks a lot for testing this out!

mousse04

2017-10-05 06:19

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by jakibaki (Post 1535904)

Thanks.

Anyway, one question remains to me : I thought Sony updated how their partition was, to enable partner , and the first one Jolla, to write their own image without touching the blobs.
so, does it mean that they release a new 7.1.1 android image recently to fulfil this needs ?

jakibaki

2017-10-05 06:22

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by mousse04 (Post 1535908)

The image I linked is exactly the one that people will flash using emma, everything that needs unlocking has been unlocked :)

mousse04

2017-10-05 06:46

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by jakibaki (Post 1535909)

The image I linked is exactly the one that people will flash using emma, everything that needs unlocking has been unlocked :)

And then, using the community build works once you've flashed this android build? Or you need to update the flash.sh script?
Another thing, in the sailfishX image, will it have a linux flash script ? Or will we need to create one ?

jakibaki

2017-10-05 07:05

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by mousse04 (Post 1535910)

I didn't have to update any script, the community-build I flashed doesn't even require the blob-partition yet (that requirement will only come in the next build). I just confirmed that the blob-partition is now properly writable from fastboot mode.

I don't think the sailfish-x build will ship with the flash.sh but simply using this one which is in the same folder as the flash.bat in the repo should most likely work with no/only minor modification :)

mousse04

2017-10-05 07:10

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by jakibaki (Post 1535917)

Thanks a lot @jakibaki for all your answers to all my questions :D

lucavs

2017-10-05 10:42

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Just to go a step forward...
Do you think it will be possible a multirom to get both official Android and official Sailfish on the Xperia X ?

That way I could avoid Android App on Sailfish side and swith to Android OS only twice per year when required some Android app.

richie

2017-10-05 11:19

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by jakibaki (Post 1535898)

Thanks. Yes you're probably right. Though if you still have zipped package, please could you do me a favour and md5sum your download so at least I know I'm using same download.

jakibaki

2017-10-05 12:36

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by richie (Post 1535924)

Thanks. Yes you're probably right. Though if you still have zipped package, please could you do me a favour and md5sum your download so at least I know I'm using same download.

Code:

md5sum flashtool-0.9.23.1-linux.tar.7z

a68d331f710b78f7eaf4350e70d3e693  flashtool-0.9.23.1-linux.tar.7z



md5sum flashtool-0.9.23.1-mac.dmg

26affb08e4421292ed6858c2b8688c1e  flashtool-0.9.23.1-mac.dmg

mosen

2017-10-05 13:29

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 1535838)

Yes, on Aug 29th they wrote:

For all of you former Community Device Program members we offer a 20% discount,i.e. the price for you is 39.90€ (including VAT).We’ll let you know how you can claim this discount closer to the sales start.

They are working to get that in place!

News from today regarding Jolla C 20% discount on Jolla Fans FB Group:

Quote:

You definitely can get 20% off your purchase if you have been in the community device program (Jolla C). We just have not yet deployed that system and have not sent those vouchers to our community program members. Please stay tuned and keep in mind that you can not combine 2 vouchers together. Thanks!

taixzo

2017-10-05 14:42

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolda (Post 1535893)

There is one geographic-dependent step that you may not have realized - this is what you get if you try to visit the Jolla Shop from a U.S. IP address:
https://i.imgur.com/3kDn4uw.png
Until that's lifted, there's no way to buy anything, unless you have a VPN set up.

meatbiscuit

2017-10-05 17:02

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

You're fine flashing one of the community builds. At the end of the day, ANY existing image on the phone (whether it be an Android image or SFOS) will be overwritten when you re-flash.

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Originally Posted by trashHeap (Post 1535824)

Hey I have an unlocked Xperia X I got off ebay arriving today. My plan was to flash it on the 11th using my work laptop. (My only readily available Windows PC).

Does anyone know if it's safe to go ahead and flash one of the unofficial builds in the meantime? Or will that screw up the emma/windows flashing I plan on doing next week?

Wolda

2017-10-05 19:20

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by taixzo (Post 1535927)

Oh indeed, I visited the Czech Republic yesterday. Although, there was no nice error message for a Canadian attempt yesterday, and there was just a blank page.

ste-phan

2017-10-05 20:09

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Is it true that Sony punishes it's customers for unlocking bootloaders?

https://www.xda-developers.com/resto...locked-xperia/

Sailfish run with a crippled camera thnx to Sony's policy?

I read a few things in this thread about backing up so called DRM files but it makes me tired and as somebody goes all principal over being forced to use a Windows PC to flash I might just refuse to touch any Sony for above reason and wait for Nokia 9 to open up.

Anybody that can confirm how this works? Can Sailfish users enjoy full quality of camera and sound of the Xperia X just like non rooted Androids? And if not is this not due to this DRM matter?

Thanks!

kinggo

2017-10-05 20:25

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

IMO, you are not going to miss anything. It's mostly just some SW gimmicks.
On most sonys camera isn't any better (or worse) than other phones. Unlike their real cameras.
Audio is crippled just like on most other devices becuse of that stupid regulative from a few years back http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-09-1364_en.htm
And for sure, it can not be worse than on original Jolla.

llelectronics

2017-10-05 20:25

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Sailfish run with a crippled camera thnx to Sony's policy?

Yes, some of the DRM parts that are patented technologies cannot be used on other systems.

Quote:

Anybody that can confirm how this works? Can Sailfish users enjoy full quality of camera and sound of the Xperia X just like non rooted

You can have access to the camera but some noise reduction magic algorithms which are in the DRM are not supported.
Some stuff is computated in the sensor itself and this is basically turned off for SailfishOS or other systems (like AOSP).
Last time I checked 8 Megapixels are the limit of the main camera. Though this might be raised to 13 or even the full sensors 23 Mpx.
We'll see what the first official image will bring.

When it comes to the audio department the Clear Audio or how Sony calls its equalizer and bass optimization isn't available.

So I expect the camera and maybe the audio not to work as superb as the Sony Android version will perform.
I guess it will basically perform like AOSP is on that device.

I'll plan to do some basic tests in regards to the camera when the official image arrives.

mariusmssj

2017-10-05 20:32

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Booted up my Xperia and it's running 7.1.1 :( This is going to cause me issues right?

Anyone used Xperia Companion to downgrade to marshmallow?

jakibaki

2017-10-05 21:04

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1535947)

Booted up my Xperia and it's running 7.1.1 :( This is going to cause me issues right?

Anyone used Xperia Companion to downgrade to marshmallow?

Downgrading is no problem at all :)

Assuming that you want to downgrade to back up your drm-keys this guide is the way to go.

EDIT: The poster of that guide has terrible google-fu. A marshmallow ftf can be found here (source)
EDIT2: Much faster mirror

mariusmssj

2017-10-05 21:58

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by jakibaki (Post 1535948)

Thank you :)
Just to check if I should get a different image for F5122 as I got the dual sim version.

eson	2017-10-06 05:27

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by llelectronics (Post 1535945)

Last time I checked 8 Megapixels are the limit of the main camera..

Camera says 16 Mpx in SFOS 2.1.2...

https://minfil.org/4169Ccc8bd/Screen...171006_001.png

pichlo

2017-10-06 11:05

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by taixzo (Post 1535927)

There is one geographic-dependent step that you may not have realized - this is what you get if you try to visit the Jolla Shop from a U.S. IP address:
https://i.imgur.com/3kDn4uw.png

Not just US. I got the same in the UK, despite being still in the EU.
I took it to mean that everyone gets that and that the page is simply just a placeholder until it gets updated.

lantern

2017-10-06 11:07

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1535966)

I took it to mean that everyone gets that and that the page is simply just a placeholder until it gets updated.

No, it's not. There's a USE VOUCHER button for EU users.

PS Install Tor Browser.

pichlo

2017-10-06 11:28

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by lantern (Post 1535967)

No, it's not. There's a USE VOUCHER button for EU users.

It's exactly pressing that button that gives me that "not available in your country" page.

Quote:

PS Install Tor Browser.

Why??? :confused: I am not trying to hide anything. I want to legally buy a product offered by a company based in the same trading bloc.

EDIT:
My apologies, I realized the problem was that I work for an American company and all our internet connection is VPNed through Boston. Trying on my phone connected through my 3G operator showed the "ahoy" page.

r0kk3rz

2017-10-06 13:15

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Does anyone have a Sony Xperia X who has yet to unlock the bootloader?

Apparently if you OTA update to version 34.3 it *should* remove the need for Emma/Flashtool when installing Sailfish X.

But once the bootloader is unlocked you stop getting OTA, so none of us have managed to test it yet...

So the procedure is to OTA update all the way, then unlock the bootloader and install Sailfish X

Anyone willing to try this out for us?

maximilian1st

2017-10-06 13:18

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

I still need to buy one the coming days, so if nobody else tried it in the meantime, I will for sure.

meloferz

2017-10-06 13:27

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by r0kk3rz (Post 1535970)

You mean that if we didn't unlock the bootloader, and continue updating with OTA update (Android), the bootloader will be updated and we will able to fastboot blobs?

Enviado desde mi F5121 mediante Tapatalk

r0kk3rz

2017-10-06 13:29

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by meloferz (Post 1535972)

Yes, hopefully this will allow the oem partition to be flashed via fastboot once the bootloader is unlocked.

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