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TheKit 2019-06-05 17:20

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by British (Post 1557641)
I smell a bit of a contradiction here: I'd have hoped that if you indeed are communicating bilaterally, you'd have more hard-fact than "having something usable sooner or later" :eek:

Apologies if I'm nitpicky (and possibly annoying) on the subject, but it's the main reason I'm even interested in the Pro1 (yes, more so than the HWKB) :(

I guess that's the real estimate though. I can talk for Sailfish I have been working on, the UI is running as proof-of-concept (and there was a video of it), but getting it to a usable state is a much more effort.

Recently two more persons got involved, and we are working to redo the base in a more sane and maintainable way, then we can process with getting more of the hardware enabled in Sailfish and polishing the port.

As for dual-boot, it seems technically possible to me in the same fashion as Gemini PDA (multiple boot partitions + selecting the one to boot from at device startup though key combination or menu). However, don't take my words as confirmation, as there might be more difficulties with modifying bootloader of retail devices ("thanks" to Secure Boot) compared to development prototypes.

Kabouik 2019-06-05 17:51

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Thanks a lot for your answers TheKit. I hope you can share more details in the near future!

I'll buy the Pro1 day one without any hesitation, but having multiboot is a key milestone for me before I can use it as my main device: I don't want to use Android as my main OS, which means I am looking forward to having a usable Sailfish port, and I need to run some APKs on a regular basis too (in a dual boot, I don't mind).

Thanks to you and the two other contributors for your work on the Sailfish port, I think it is safe to say that it is very much appreciated here.

xman 2019-06-05 23:46

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Looking forward to more images like these. Found on the twitter channels.

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8PaLZKUYAACAsT.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8PtlR2XsAAWKsV.jpg

Wasmachinemann-NL 2019-06-06 11:38

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Where's the N900 vs Fxtec comparison?

DDark 2019-06-06 14:28

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wasmachinemann-NL (Post 1557658)
Where's the N900 vs Fxtec comparison?

In a few hours?

DDark 2019-06-06 18:14

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Here are the promised images, compared it with N900 and an iPhone X

https://postimg.cc/gallery/1kg8sc3qi/

My overall impressions - God, it looks awesome !! The phone looks better in person than on the photos.

The phone itself is built like a tank. The screen is gorgeous.

The keyboard is a little bit wide for my taste, but not something that would be a dealbreaker.

The layout is different from PC, there is a learning curve, but it would be possible to blind type after you are getting used to this layout(and probably it would be better for your carpal tunnel syndrome)

I don't know what else to add, I'm super excited for this opportunity to play with pre-production device and to meet cool people that are passionate with their work.

Thanks Chen for inviting me, I doubt that any other phone manufacturer would invite some random guy from the internet to play with expensive phone prototype :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kabouik (Post 1557436)
Oh no no no, we need TMO users there to ask extra questions! I really want to know if multiboot will multiple OSes will be possible, or if the phone will only allows single boots. And in the former case, will it be possible out of the box (like the Gemini I believe), or will it depend on the community being able to come up with a multiboot solution as they did with the N900?

As far as I understood it won't have multiboot out of the box, but there is already work done in order to allow flashing custom rom with multiboot.

Quote:

Originally Posted by xman (Post 1557574)
DDark,

Please take a pictures of pro the to a n900!! I'm would love to see see the thickness and the overall size next to it.

Perhaps, bring a sd card with and OS you can boot from :D

maybe a little review of how it feels in the pocket. Or how it feel going from a n900 to pro and back.

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See the link to the gallery, completely missed the pocketabilty part, but the device is not much larger than my iPhone, so I don't see an issue with that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ravelo (Post 1557585)
DDark, I would be very interested what speed could be typed on this device with 10 fingers or almost 10 fingers. I did not see any video review where anyone tries to type with more than two fingers.
So maybe you simply could try how many wpm you get in comparison to the N900, maybe you could even try to make a video? I would be quite curious. Thanks :)

Tried that, possible but not usable :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by BonoNL (Post 1557589)
It would be nice to see how Pornhub works on this device. If it doen't run smooth that would be a real dealbreaker for me!

We've streamed other video content, run smoothly as expected.

Wasmachinemann-NL 2019-06-07 12:10

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DDark (Post 1557673)
Here are the promised images, compared it with N900 and an iPhone X

https://postimg.cc/gallery/1kg8sc3qi/

My overall impressions - God, it looks awesome !! The phone looks better in person than on the photos.

The phone itself is built like a tank. The screen is gorgeous.

The keyboard is a little bit wide for my taste, but not something that would be a dealbreaker.

The layout is different from PC, there is a learning curve, but it would be possible to blind type after you are getting used to this layout(and probably it would be better for your carpal tunnel syndrome)

I don't know what else to add, I'm super excited for this opportunity to play with pre-production device and to meet cool people that are passionate with their work.

Thanks Chen for inviting me, I doubt that any other phone manufacturer would invite some random guy from the internet to play with expensive phone prototype :D



As far as I understood it won't have multiboot out of the box, but there is already work done in order to allow flashing custom rom with multiboot.



See the link to the gallery, completely missed the pocketabilty part, but the device is not much larger than my iPhone, so I don't see an issue with that.



Tried that, possible but not usable :D



We've streamed other video content, run smoothly as expected.

Okay, this is Epyc. July come faster damnit!

Astaoth 2019-06-07 13:26

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wasmachinemann-NL (Post 1557690)
Okay, this is Epyc. July come faster damnit!

The same, even if there will be only qwerty or qwertz layouts.


About this, when (if ?) new layouts are released, will it be possible to order only the new keyboard or touchs and to change it by ourself ?

gtmaster303 2019-06-10 12:14

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Considering how close we are, do we have an exact release date yet?

pichlo 2019-06-10 12:23

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Cpt Obvious asks: Considering we have no exact release date, how do you know we are close? :D

tmi 2019-06-10 13:53

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1557754)
Cpt Obvious asks: Considering we have no exact release date, how do you know we are close? :D

O Captain! My Captain!
Close to July...?

"Shipping globally is estimated to be July 2019"

HtheB 2019-06-10 13:57

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
It's close.... Closer than you might think...
Just saying

gtmaster303 2019-06-10 14:49

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1557754)
Cpt Obvious asks: Considering we have no exact release date, how do you know we are close? :D

June comes before July?
Or is that not obvious for captain obvious?

mscion 2019-06-10 15:17

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1557756)
It's close.... Closer than you might think...
Just saying

Is it close as in Zeno's paradox?

lal 2019-06-10 16:12

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Soon™ = Close

Well, I hope not :D

pichlo 2019-06-10 16:31

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tmi (Post 1557755)

'nuff said.

IOW, we do not know that we are close.
We only assume.

juiceme 2019-06-10 20:02

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1557760)
'nuff said.

IOW, we do not know that we are close.
We only assume.

Indeed.
And do you remember what they say about assuming...? :eek:

catbus 2019-06-11 18:23

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Chen said before, "Shortly" - Not "Soon™" or "Close".

SSLMM 2019-06-12 01:07

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Btw, is there any information about gestures with screen off, like double tap to wake screen or like oneplus has (like draw a "v" to turn flashlight on or off or media controls)?

I'm more interested to know about the simple double tap to wake screen.

Thoke 2019-06-13 17:30

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
I must say the supported lte bands make this device usable in many parts of the world! However it's hard to see this phone as a daily driver without scandic keyboard. I could maybe get the qwertz (german) keyboard and remap some letters (ü at least). Scandic and qwertz seem close enough. I assume this is possible with modern phones.

I'd still have to get accustomed to swapped places of y and z...

Picture of the qwertz layout of fxtec for reference. This has been posted before, though, so no new information.

I know this has probably been answered before, but is the preorder only for phones with gwerty-layout?

HtheB 2019-06-13 18:28

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Thoke (Post 1557813)
I must say the supported lte bands make this device usable in many parts of the world!

Many parts of the world?.... Which is...?
I need glasses... I read the word "usable" as "unusable".

Thoke 2019-06-13 18:42

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1557817)
Many parts of the world?.... Which is...?

Yeah, that might have been vague :o I mean North America & Europe. Don't really know about other places as I only checked the bands of those two regions.

HtheB 2019-06-13 18:52

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Thoke (Post 1557818)
Yeah, that might have been vague :o I mean North America & Europe. Don't really know about other places as I only checked the bands of those two regions.

What are you talking about...?? Name a country in Europe where the LTE wouldn't work....
Again, need glasses...

jurop88 2019-06-13 19:03

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
HtheB take a deep breath, relax and re-read Thoke msg. And please remember that you are on talk.MAEMO.org, albeit in the competitor sub-forum. Moving from being an advocate to a fan does not play in favour of the F(x)tec Pro1.

Thanks,

HtheB 2019-06-13 19:09

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jurop88 (Post 1557820)
HtheB take a deep breath, relax and re-read Thoke msg. And please remember that you are on talk.MAEMO.org, albeit in the competitor sub-forum. Moving from being an advocate to a fan does not play in favour of the F(x)tec Pro1.

Thanks,

Your reply does not answer the question that I asked to Thoke.
People spread wrong and false info. It doesn't matter what device we're talking about. One should never spread false info without knowing the facts.

Like I said, name a European country that doesn't support one of the used bands...

Ugh... Is there an eye doctor in the house?

imaginaryenemy 2019-06-13 19:25

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1557821)
Your reply does not answer the question that I asked to Thoke.
People spread wrong and false info. It doesn't matter what device we're talking about. One should never spread false info without knowing the facts.

Like I said, name a European country that doesn't support one of the used bands...

I believe Thoke was merely saying "I am pleased that it looks like this phone will work in the two regions I checked."

Which, for those of us in North America, can remember was not the case for the Jolla 1. We were "forced" to be ok with wifi and 2G service only. LTE bands are different in different regions. It is not ubiquitous.

HtheB 2019-06-13 19:37

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Ok apparently I need glasses. I don't why I read usable as unusable...
RIP :D

Sorry Thoke!

Thoke 2019-06-13 19:45

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by imaginaryenemy (Post 1557823)
I believe Thoke was merely saying "I am pleased that it looks like this phone will work in the two regions I checked."

[...]

Yes, that's what I meant, sorry if that was not clear in my posts.

Hope that clears up the confusion.

EDIT:

Quote:

Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1557824)
Ok apparently I need glasses. I don't why I read usable as unusable...
RIP :D

Sorry Thoke!

No problem! It happens :)

kinggo 2019-06-13 20:27

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Thoke (Post 1557813)
I must say the supported lte bands make this device usable in many parts of the world! However it's hard to see this phone as a daily driver without scandic keyboard. I could maybe get the qwertz (german) keyboard and remap some letters (ü at least). Scandic and qwertz seem close enough. I assume this is possible with modern phones.

I'd still have to get accustomed to swapped places of y and z...

Picture of the qwertz layout of fxtec for reference. This has been posted before, though, so no new information.

I know this has probably been answered before, but is the preorder only for phones with gwerty-layout?

And I live in a place where even laptops with localized backlit keyborad does not exist. Only english variant with printed croatian letters. And that is not exactly usable in the dark.

SSLMM 2019-06-13 22:44

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SSLMM (Post 1557793)
Btw, is there any information about gestures with screen off, like double tap to wake screen or like oneplus has (like draw a "v" to turn flashlight on or off or media controls)?

I'm more interested to know about the simple double tap to wake screen.

Bump? Any information about this?

Kabouik 2019-06-14 13:25

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kinggo (Post 1557827)
And I live in a place where even laptops with localized backlit keyborad does not exist. Only english variant with printed croatian letters. And that is not exactly usable in the dark.

Weird, I live with a Croatian and I seem to remember her former Acer laptop had a Croatian keyboard, with differences compared to a classic ANSI English keyboard. Or was it just Croatian keycaps on a non-Croatian ANSI layout? Maybe I'm mistaken. Anyway that was not a backlit keyboard, just a low end Acer disposable laptop.

I forced her to switch to ANSI Qwerty and US International (which I did too, from ISO Azerty, and now my life is better). She didn't do the transition so well though, now I'm better at typing Croatian characters than she is, even if I have no use for it since I only know the big words.

All that just to say that the transition to ANSI Qwerty for non-English speakers is totally possible thanks to US International. It might be a rocky road, but the reward once used to it is really something (more characters, more flexibility, more devices). Not everyone will like it of course (especially if having multiple devices, then it is mandatory to be able to type without looking at the keys), and not everyone will want to go through the learning curve. That's totally understandable, but doing so opens new horizons.

kinggo 2019-06-14 14:43

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Non backlit are norm here, but as you noticed, they are not exactly standard ones. I used so many different form factors and layouts so I really don't care about position of a few characters. I get why that might be a problem for someone who types the whole day but on a mobile device.....

chenliangchen 2019-06-14 15:29

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
@kinggo It has backlight. (Update: just read the previous msg it's not about this device. Sorry :) )

@sslmm: Double tap to wake is supported. (Under Android)

Zeta 2019-06-15 11:39

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
I finally pre-ordered.
Found it funny that having a phone number is a mandatory field to order a phone, isn't there an egg and chicken problem ? :D

Anyway, pre-order numbers are now in the 17 400 range, more than 12 600 since the first numbers we have seen on this forum (~4800).

pichlo 2019-06-16 06:01

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeta (Post 1557879)
Anyway, pre-order numbers are now in the 17 400 range, more than 12 600 since the first numbers we have seen on this forum (~4800).

You think it means anything? :D

That trick has been known for at least 75 years.

Zeta 2019-06-16 12:58

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1557884)
You think it means anything? :D

Yes, it means that preorder numbers are now in the range 17400.

Did I say anything else ? Never spoke of devices if you paid attention ;)

catbus 2019-06-16 20:53

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
#3 - and enough chars here...

robthebold 2019-06-17 01:46

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1557884)
You think it means anything? :D

That trick has been known for at least 75 years.

I thought of my first checkbook -- the banker asked what number I wanted to start on. "Why not 1," 14-year-old me asked? "No one takes the first check someone writes," the banker told me.

(If you need closure on that anecdote, I started on 401.)

pichlo 2019-06-17 07:20

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeta (Post 1557886)
Yes, it means that preorder numbers are now in the range 17400.

Yes, and I maintain that it does not mean anything at all. The actual number of orders could be 5. Or 264,137. Or, indeed, 17,400. It all depends on how those numbers are allocated.

You are making an assumption. An assumption that order numbers are a) sequential and b) starting from 1. None of which has been officially confirmed.

Fellfrosch 2019-06-17 09:23

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1557900)
Yes, and I maintain that it does not mean anything at all. The actual number of orders could be 5.

Well, five is impossible. We have already more people here in the forum, who have ordered. ;)

Everything else is right.


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