Re: Let's talk Nokia stock!
 

But that is obvious, what I read about meego harmattan is that the swipe is closed but other parts is open. A browser (or other parts) just apps.
Forefox and the other browsers are based at webkit, only opera is closed

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock!
 

Apparently it's still not obvious to you. Even the webkit2 based browser is closed. Only company I can think of that uses open source components and profits from it is Apple.

I know, I know... there are plenty of others, but Apple does that with webkit and Safari.

There are more than just the Swipe UI and the browser that's closed. And they use open source components... not cool. I think people need to understand more when they say open source and pertaining cellphones, it's conditional and limited.

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock!
 

Here is one

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...95#post1206495

Dont let me make you pay 200 pesos hombre.

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock!
 

I never heard an American refer to "good US greens" for money. Wouldn't we use that for really fresh limas or something? Or an attribute of an immaculate golf course...

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock!
 

Everytime I see "Future Disruption" it reminds me of the article in Maemo page named "Fifth Wheel", and then I go meh.

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock!
 

Whatever vision and strategy Elop is talking about is crab. Nokia's agreement with Microsoft effectively locks them into a Windows Phone only strategy. Microsoft's anti-competitive, monopolistic attitude will take care of that. This a company which believes the best way to take care of competition is not to be better than them but to force them out of the market by foul means. As an example, Windows 8 will lock out other browsers except IE. It comes as no surprise that Elop has to kill Symbian and MeeGo for this partnership with Microsoft.

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock!
 

+1

It seems ridiculous to shelve your own OS, for someone else's if you want to have your own future disruption. I mean, let's say for instance that Microsoft DOES manage to get the 3rd ecosystem - won't it then make it a hell of a lot harder for Nokia to break through with their own OS in the future?

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock!
 

It means that Nokia will become the manufacturing arm of Microsoft, selling a phone which they have no control over and have no exclusive rights. As WP will be their only platform in future, they will be the slave of Microsoft.

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock!
 

We don't know anything about any exclusivity. All we know is that WP is to be Nokias main smartphone OS not the only smartphone OS. This may very well be nikias choise, and not part of a deal as such.

The more I hear about WP8 at the monent, rumors that is, the more it sounds that it will not improve WP7s shortcomings in any substantial manner.

I have to be honest and say that if WP was a OK OS, I would understand Nokia. The problem is that Android is better in almost every single aspect, and almost all that is bad with WP is done so by design. The OS is simply awfull. Lots of games and stuff, but it's like a gameboy machine with a tiny tiny subset of the functionality of for instance android or harmattan.

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock!
 

Nokia is winding down Symbian, closing down MeeGO and according to rumours shelving Meltemi so what other OS do they have? A new platform will take a long time to develop so we can assume for the foreseeable future that Nokia will be left with only WP.

WP7.5 has been praised for being fast and smooth but this only on a superficial level of scrolling menus. Apps take their time to load. With big simple tiles the menu is simple enough to be scrolled fast.

I do agree that WP7.5 is far behind Android and ios. It hasn't even caught up with Android 2.3 and ios 4 yet and those are old versions. Symbian users consider WP7.5 a downgrade with so many restrictions,limitations and missing features. By the time WP8 comes out there will be Android 5, ios 6 and BB10. Unless WP8 can leap ahead of WP7.5 spectacularly it's still going to lag behind.

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock!
 

I think I already put it quite succinctly but I'll restate it for you: Whilst your company continues to develop a new direction, don't undercut your current source of income by undermining it--at least not until your NEW platform is selling and supporting your enterprise well enough for you to detach from your current sources of income." Elop = stupid schmuck

Key words that you used: based on Linux. Open-core software (i.e. based-on Linux systems) include things like Cisco routers, Tivo (famously! Since they were the ones that the coined term 'tivoization' came from), and of course... Nokia's Maemo). Perhaps you should try reading up on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_core BTW: This is also the reason why GPLv3 came into existence--thanks to things like Nokia's Maemo. Nice.

Oh my God. Tell me you didn't just do that. :) Did you just deliver a shameless PR-style statement with a bunch of words that literally meant nothing at the end? The vast majority here will flatly disagree with your statement AND you didn't even take a moment to explain it. Would you like me to take pieces of various posts explaining why people might disagree with your overt PR statement? THAT I can do. Oh... that I can do. :) I am danramos.. don't even think I can't. heheh

Although, it was good for a laugh--here I see you talking about how MS is an important strategy for Nokia (hrr hrr!) and how there's MORE... so I follow the link and there's this big complicated mess of artwork that hits you in the face first-thing. It was... so appropriate. :)

Also, doesn't saying what you said pretty much invalidate everything you stand for as the open-source evangelist at Nokia, nevermind Nokia's past similar statements about other "strategies" which have come and gone with varying degrees of failure so far? Just saying.

How's that workin' out for ya so far? I'll bet Nokia's home country is LOVIN' those numbers, right? How's about all those numbers that got laid off! Mmmm... LOVIN' that new strategy, I'll bet! Customers LOVE it when they hear about massive layoffs at a manufacturer. They LOVE it!

Right then! Not discussing beliefs! Let's see those numbers! How's Nokia performing so far since that Microsoft deal? How's profits? Shares? Sales? Devices sold? Let's not leave anything up to the imagination lest we leave it up to what people want to believe!

I could be wrong, but I don't think "hombre" is an English word.

Spot-on, man. Very spot-on. People here are acting like they've never heard of closed-source drivers and applications tied to the OS. There are threads on here going back many years complaining about how impossible it is to replace the close-source applications to make room for open-source replacements without ravaging and corrupting the operation of the rest of the operating system. Your statement is right spot-on.

Agreed--and this is what most people think of when they think of the "Windows" brand name on a phone, fair or not:
http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/4692/nokiaphone.jpg

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock!
 

But safari is pretty much closed, see the following:

what you describe is actually common with KHTML/webkit

For example:
https://products.sel.sony.com/openso...e_webkit.shtml

Apple make little to no money from it, though it originated from Apple which itself originated from KHTML.

Edit: Just to elaborate a little about what I mean, Webkit must remain open source because it's a fork of KHTML which is under a copyleft LGPL. KHTML deforked into WebKit again too. Any browser with a Webkit layout engine will also have their source available. Including the fork that Nokia produced for S60 devices. It does not mean the browser is open source.

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock!
 

Just to let everyone know, I am official a fanboy according to Maemo police: LOL!!!


chemist
Today , 08:40 AM
Super Moderator*| Posts: 739*| Thanked: 579 times | Joined on Sep 2009 @ Germany
Hey,

talking of tolerance and fanboyism, you have been reported "noise" and looking at your posts, shows that you are biased. Watch your temper, please. It is no help trolling forums... this is a one-time warning. Next time I will make it count.

Regards Chem|st
__________________
Please read for Brainstorm:
How to use Brainstorm
Brainstorm rules
Don't hesitate to ask one of us for help.
useful links for newcomers: New members say hello, New users start here, Community subforum, Beginners' wiki page, Maemo5 101, FAQ

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock!
 

According to the common sense, you're the official TMO's village idiot, don't know if I'd go that far to call you a fanboy. :rolleyes:

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock!
 

Clearly not a fanboy, as a fanboy would have on product range to religiously defend. What we see here is universal bashing in any direction as long as it will create trouble. We're looking at a future disrupter.

Do not feed it.

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock!
 

Latest market report from Analysts. (31.05.12)

More bad news

NOK opened at $2.74 today. Anybody interested?

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock!
 

and down to this value. 2.66 -0.08‎ (-2.92%‎)

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock!
 

I just bought more :)

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock!
 

You will then loose more.
Microsoft is not needed, nor wanted in the mobile world. It can try to keep its monopoly, closed source and backdoors in the PC world, but in the mobile world it will fail. There won't be any 3rd ecosystem with Microsoft, no matter how much money MS will throw in.

15 years of failing:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_CE
Stupid Nokia wanted to be a slave and 100% dependent on this company.

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock!
 

Stop shedding tears. Its all business. If windows 8 is half as* successful, NOKIA will do well.

Let's Talk Nokia Stock!
 

What's your take on nokia stock?

(Please focus on the topic)

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock!
 

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2404986,00.asp
http://www.asymco.com/2011/02/11/in-...bile-partners/

Re: Let's Talk Nokia Stock!
 

It's a great investment. Nokia is cutting cost at the moment and slowly growing next year but never to it's former glory. Luckely stock value dont care about that.

Re: Let's Talk Nokia Stock!
 

I sank 10K. Its doubling in 12 months.

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock!
 

Maybe he's watched too many spaghetti westerns on his local tv station and believes that's how hip and cool Americans speak to each other.

Notice how he's just started to refer to everyone as 'dude'? Perhaps he's now moved on to Bill and Ted. Bogus!

If we're lucky next week will be nineties week.. I can't wait! :D

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock!
 

All those marketing analyses is also CRAP.

There are PLENTY other companys who get analysed by so called expert and next week they say "go buy some nok stocks" and yeat another month sell blablabla.

Also dont forget European crisis...

There is two sides of everything...

No one here or even Nokia knows what the hell will happen to Nokia not even Elop! But I agree Noklia HAS problems. But looking blindly at those analys companys is just ridicilous.

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock!
 

You don't have to listen to an analyst to see a dramatically failing enterprise. Go ahead and just look at the numbers and the graphs for yourself. Go on! We'll still be here waiting for you.

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock!
 

Danramos you didnt get my point. I did NOT say nokia has no problems. They have. My point was its no meaning post about how nokia stocks goes down every day. We.already knows that. But thing is those who blindly listens to analyscompanys are blind and stupid.

those only buy/sell stocks because some analyze company says so are stupid. I have more respect too those who has real personal opinion why xxx company is good or bad.

not because some stupid analyze firm who pobadly is payed by yyy company.

summary capitalism sucks bigtime. I dont trust any company..

Re: Let's Talk Nokia Stock!
 

The current price of Nokia's stock reflects Nokia's failed Lumia strategy and the lack of public confidence that Nokia will succeed with this strategy. Nokia's huge losses for the past 2 quarters show that its low stock price is justified. In other words the market is efficient in cutting through the hype of Lumia and seeing it for what it really is - a series based on an uncompetitive OS already rejected by consumers.

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock!
 

Google suing Nokia? Very interesting

http://www.washingtonpost.com/busine...S5U_story.html

Re: Let's Talk Nokia Stock!
 

An opportunity of the lifetime. there is no way Nokia is worth less than $10

Re: Let's Talk Nokia Stock!
 

Damn, I wish I had that much I could invest in Nokia it's totally worth it,

Re: Let's Talk Nokia Stock!
 

Are you basing your judgement on the old Nokia which was the largest phone manufacturer in the world? The current Nokia under Elop and the "Microsoft Mafia" is a totally different company. This is a company which now makes business decisions on how it will benefit Microsoft, not Nokia. How else do you explain a company which refuses to sell its own product which had excited great interest in favour of a 3rd party product which has met huge consumer resistance? This sort of company will end up in the grave.

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock!
 

That's filing a complaint to the trade commision, not exactly suing.
Also MS are hilarious to call this a “desperate tactic” when they have been filing complaints left right and centre against Google.

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock!
 

My favorite line: "Microsoft Corp. brushed off Google’s accusations as the 'desperate tactic' of a company facing regulatory questions about its dominance..." If there's one company that knows ALLLL about 'desperate tacticts' of a near-monopoly, it's probably Microsoft, right? OH GOD! The irony! It HURTS SO MUCH! :)

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock!
 

Yah I know it's not suing, was in bed on my phone and couldn't be bothered typing something long

Still, seems like more trouble for Nokia!

Re: Let's Talk Nokia Stock!
 

It's not the lumia that is the problem, the organisation is still not adjusted to the new strategy. Nokia have to many employees and the cost is too high. Stocks don't care about the real market values, it's driven by expectations so nokia have to give the market some hope and the stock will be stronger.

Re: Let's Talk Nokia Stock!
 

So if Nokia is to shrink down to a small phone manufacturer it can forget about being a major player and its stock should reflect that. In that case $2 - $3 is a fair price for Nokia stock.

Re: Let's Talk Nokia Stock!
 

Stock value don't care about size of the company. A small player with a few great products can give you insane amount of money. In fact, you don't even have need to have the products, it's enough with the ideas of the products ;)

Re: Let's Talk Nokia Stock!
 

That won't apply to the new Nokia which has cut off all its development capabilities and in future will just play the role of OEM manufacturer for Microsoft.