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Say what? You lost me at Koneschno

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Dude clearly isn't human. He's not talking English. ;)

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it's 'sure' Russian, as any East German had to learn ;)

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Great Don Falcone :D

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Dude seemed to use a whole lot more words than that. It looked like word salad to me. Ponderous, man. Ponderous!

Nokia in acquisition talks with Microsoft? So that’s why Meltemi had to die and Elop kept his job in 2012
 

Anyone seen that one?

http://www.unwiredview.com/2013/06/2...ob-after-2012/

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Doesn't really tell us anything new. For a long time, it's been clear that Nokia have being trying to tout themselves to Microsoft. The problem is that Nokia have done such a good job that Microsoft no longer see the point in buying them. Nokia are already a Microsoft lap-dop and its too late to starting looking at Android.

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And the deal failed. Nokia and Microsoft couldn't complete the deal. I think that's fairly "new".

Another less opiniated (not saying I don't agree with the opinion 100%) source: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000....html?mod=e2tw

I'll have to mention the number of times where TMO members theorized that Elop was trying to sell off Nokia to Microsoft. Really. Yes, he was.

And then I have to point out that, as quoted from the unwiredview link above:

I can and will choose to read this as the end of the Elop/Microsoft strategy. This is what Elop's Nokia has been working for all along. From he got warm in his chair, possibly even from the board started looking for candidates for the chair. But now the board has found the price too steep, and this seems to be the end.

I believe this is the end of Elops reign at that. He's been hired to do a job, he tried to do the job, the result was horrible. Can't see they'll bother to find "new tasks" for him now.

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And chilango clairly said
"Imagine the wonders if we could have custom firmware, like on routers (i.e. the FritzBox router). " I can't believe you didn't understand that ;p

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It might happen after all. It might be closer than we think.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...LEFTTopStories

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That's extremly optimistic view on Nokia's board of directors. That would require them to have at least an inkling of common sense. We have a vast amount of emperical evidence pointing to Nokia's board being composed of inviduals who can at best (and diplomaticly) be described as neurosyphilitic.

These people will let Elop run the show all the way to it's boringly bitter end. It's the finnish way of dealing with problems. Better to stay quiet than to make a number of one self and everyone else uncomfortable along with it.

Words are silver, silence is golden.

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Nokia couldn't come to terms for the price; whereas nobody will ever buy out Nokia in earnest due to their present predicament mainly due to Elop's singular focus on Windows Phone.

So what's left? Memories. Too late for them to turn things around. Android will make them a "me-too" company up against a better marketing company such as Samsung. Google might be the only people that might buy them - but they bought Motorola and that's left them a bit bitter with no real product yet from that purchase.

HTC is in dire need of a helping hand, but even they wouldn't buy Nokia. I'm quite the above will be met with the standard "it's speculation" - because it is, so feel free to apply it here - but Nokia is in a bad place right now and the lacking sales of WP7, WP8 and Windows 8 has them bent over with no real direction to go.

No Plan B really did a number on them.

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I think MS wants to buy them to ensure no one else buys them. Nokia is the only decent manufacturer out there for WP. I am not as pessimistic as you are about Nokia. They were never a software company and just couldn't hack it with the big boys. MS is the best they will get as a partner.

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let the microsoft buy nokia. i know another small startup who would win on that atleast in finland lol

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I'm not one who is ever extremely optimistic, and not this time either. Nokia is clearly running towards bust. But one thing is clear in the world of competition: nobody ever got to be on the board of a company like Nokia, or even the useless and dumb CEO of a company like Nokia, by doing Nothing.

The only scenario where someone like Elop gets to stay on the CEO chair is the scenario where the board has a use for him. That's just a simple fact.

I believe that the boards use for the north american Microsoft-connected CEO has expired. We'll see.

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Nokia is dead.

Microsoft or Huawei will buy Nokia > Q4 2013.

The fight will stand between Huawei and Microsoft, and if Huawei they dish WP and add SailfishOS ;)

So I am not sure Elop is over yet. If Huwaei gives better price Microsoft will pay more for Nokia. Microsoft desperatly needs Nokia. Nokia has alot of good HW engineers. Selling those to china would hurt USA/Europe even more.

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I agree, every other manufacturer has realised they're flogging a dead horse with Windows Phone.

Huawei's representative was absolutely right, Windows Phone is 'weak' and requires a license fee, an unappealing combination.

With Tizen, Firefox OS, Sailfish OS and Ubuntu Touch all about to enter the arena Window's Phone 3% market share is going to come under even more pressure. No NOKIA no Windows Phone, it's now as clear cut as that. Microsoft just can't afford to lose NOKIA.

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I think tizen, FF etc. compete with Android mostly. People who purchase WP phones aren't generally interested in stuff those OS's bring to table anyway. Besides, calling WP "weak" is too much of a simplification (market share is crappy, but from techical pov It's probably the best MS SW product I've seen). Huawei's representatives wording sounds to me like they are just b*** hurt for who knows what reason.

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Interesting news lately about shareholder meeting and report that MS agreement with Nokia is until 2016:

http://m.wpcentral.com/nokia-board-d...d-finland-sale

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...Elop should be 'eloping' (good nature, i looove that word, how fitting!) with Ballmer right now and come back with a new, shiny, golden ring, engraved with 'In eternal love, Stevie.'

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Methinks there'll be some big shake-ups going on at Nokia really soon. I'm in disagreement with one part of the article, though. I think getting rid of Elop would certainly be part of the BEST case scenario. Don't worry for him, though, I'm sure he'll find SOME way to survive on his CEO golden parachute. I can't understand why they hired his in the first place much less keep this kind of detrimental CEO on for this long.

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What is the point getting rid of Elop? :S Nokia is already doomed to Windows Phone and renamed to MicroNokia.

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What are they interested in then, colourful squares?


I'm sure a new CEO could mount a legal challenge against that seeing as Elop was a significant MS shareholder at the time he 'negotiated' the deal.

Every single decision Elop has made has been to benefit Microsoft even when it was patently to the detriment of NOKIA, a court would have to be blind not to see it.

I don't know what the law's like in Finland, in the UK criminals can have their assets taken away from them, that's the minimum Elop deserves.

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The "basic" smartphone features probably. And things like extensive configurability/hackability, multitasking, developer and user communities, tinkering with OS, "power user" use cases, custom ROMs etc. have little to no meaning.

Well, the "burning platform" memo was a fiasco, for sure. But the rest of it Nokia had already messed up long before his time.

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LOL! The laws? Are u serious? No one have cared so far why would they care now? Seriously I don't think he has done anything illegal.

(even if he still is an Microsoft ashole)

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If what you are saying were true, then Apple would stil lown the market. But Android took over completely, even though the most popular handsets are at least as expensive as the iPhone. Why? People want all the tings you list above. Even Apple is offering more optimizations with every new version of iOS. The only OS that got zero traction is WM precisely because it lacks a customizable interface (switching tiles around and changing colour doesn't count).

As to Nokia being screwed before the burning platforms, that is BS. Maemo was miles ahead of Android or iOS when it came out. Nokia just needed to polish it a bit more, release form factors handsets (think e72, n900 and n9 updates) and they would have owned the market.

But this was discussed way back when, and it's all too late. Nokia's only chance now is Android, Ubuntu or Sailfish. WM is dead and will always be dead.

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That's the bit I don't get, why did the EU/Finnish government stand on the sidelines playing pocket billiards whilst NOKIA's shareholders were being defrauded?

Elop has a fiduciary duty to act in NOKIA's best interests, jeopardising the companies very existence in order to benefit a third-party unrelated company he personally has an interest in is a clear breach of that duty.

I can't see how just signing the deal with Microsoft whilst personally holding Microsoft shares could have been legal. The moment he announced NOKIA would be 'exclusively' offering smartphones running the most unpopular OS on the planet, a proven failure in the market place and produced by a company he held shares in, there should have been an intervention.

This wouldn't have been allowed to happen if NOKIA had been a French or German company rather than Finnish, their respective governments would've been all over it like a rash.

It'll be interesting to see if they step in when Microsoft tries to pick up NOKIA's patent portfolio for a song.

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you mean the patents that microsoft already has access to?

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Time for elop corporation or elop**** pvt ltd:p

anyway nokia is planning to release condoms at unseen low prices:) so book yours and be ready to ...:D

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Apple is just one manufacturer, and there are lots of people who can't stand apple. With android you could at least get your Motorola, Sony-Ericsson or whatever you used to have. At the time Android was practically the only viable choice for iphone, so there you go. Pricing also wasn't irrelevant - if apple had released a low cost model early in game, Android would have been dramatically slowed down.

And Nokia messed up maemo/meego big time, by not diverting enough resources to it, until it was at least 5 years too late.

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Seriously stop dream. He will not get fired.

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Yes almost because of Symbian fanatics inside Nokia.

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My opinion: The Finnish board members, shareholders and government there have proven that they have no pride and no backbone. Go ahead and try to explain to me how they DO, given how this company (which supposedly was the pride and joy of the Finnish economy) was mishandled so badly as to look intentionally sabotaged by a mole from Microsoft and just let it KEEP ON happening all the way up to the point of trying to sell it off to a foreign company. I mean--come on! People were already making that point WAY, WAY back when he was first hired as the new CEO. Everybody could SEE it. That's a lack of pride and a lack of the integrity to step in. The truth is the truth, no matter how ugly it is. For all the damage they have done, money lost and jobs lost... Nokia's executives, shareholders and the government of Finland should be ashamed and feel bad for their part in making it happen or allowing it to get to this point. Again, just my opinion but.. man, it just seemed so obvious all along.

Well, that.. and for not listening to their customers. How many times did everybody complain about security issues, bugs and other problems over the years and see the now infamous 'NOFIX' or 'FIXED IN [NEXT VERSION--ONLY SOLD ON A NEW DEVICE]' ... for BUGS and things that clearly COULD be fixed if they either DID fix them or open-sourced those portions?! Not new features... FIXES. Not to mention the PARTS for the hardware that were impossible to get so that you could fix them. Physical PRESENCE to have somewhere to return or repair Nokia devices face to face with a person wherever they are sold, too--that would have made a HUGE difference. Funny how that's EXACTLY what Apple has been doing for a long time with their own stores and inside sections of other stores, Samsung is has already started doing now (putting their own people in Best Buy stores all over the US, for example) and now even Microsoft has started to plan to do. I've been suggesting EXACTLY that for YEARS to Nokia and Maemo. Even a simple little kiosk in the mall would have made a HUGE difference.

For my part, I think I easily would have continued buying and spreading word of mouth to keep buying Nokia stuff if Nokia simply listened to what we wanted and delivered on it (support, parts and presence). Instead, I had to tell everybody what a frustrating mistake it was to have to deal with Nokia as a customer and ended up pushing what ACTUALLY, surprisingly, worked out better for me and everyone I deal with: Android vendors (Motorola, Samsung, etc.). Sadly, it wasn't what I really wanted but it did evolve rapidly to provide everything people asked for and, most importantly, Google and the vendors listened to their customers. Nokia missed the boat by simply not listening to their customers and giving them what they want. I can't say it enough because it is the most basic premise of business relationships with customers.

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For once I agree. That what I also mean when I say EU doing NOTHING to compete with US and China.

We have given up here in EU (include my on country sweden). Too many ****ing *****s who doesn't know how to fight and instead sells out everything. And then we wonder why the heck country after country going bankcrupt :(

We have ****ing nothing left in IT:

No Facebook like
No UTube like
No Search engine
No Smarthpone OS if Jolla doesnt doing something that success.

And then we wonder why NSA listen to us when we deserves it because we send every damn message to USA all day long.

Nothing wrong with China or America BUT there MUST be balance or else everything gets nuts. And tats what is happening now.

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May I just say, to all those Tomi Ahonen haters out there who called him crazy - I bet you're eating your words now ;)

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He has always had SOME points but still he is to much of a man people will not listen to because he is too angry. (Like me....:cool:

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Hahahahahhahhahaahhahahahaha......hahahahhahahaah. ......you must be kidding, right?

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I've had nearly as many Saabs as I've had NOKIAs :(

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In india i everywhere saw nokia. while travelling i didnt carried a charger i knew i will find a couple of em at relatives.
But not everywhere galaxys?? People are even prefering the chineese goods over the low end knokias:)
i think my nokia journy comes to an end with the n900. Not to mention seriously degrading customer support:( previously i got replaced now for simple issues they take minimum 15 days:eek:and usually goes over months. Why?? Wheres other stores like samgsung spice etc have it quick like they are telling create an issue we will deal it :eek: and the worst part the nokia care got closed here and now its nokia priority delear?? They say we dont handle such cases we only sell?? Then again a few hundred meter apart there opend a nokia priority?? Sometimes open most of the time closed??
I simply cant get what do do with the warranty provided??

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anyone knows whats going on with nokia apart from os and diff things.??

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In india i everywhere saw nokia. while travelling i didnt carried a charger i knew i will find a couple of em at relatives.
But not everywhere galaxys?? People are even prefering the chineese goods over the low end knokias:)
i think my nokia journy comes to an end with the n900. Not to mention seriously degrading customer support:( previously i got replaced now for simple issues they take minimum 15 days:eek:and usually goes over months. Why?? Wheres other stores like samgsung spice etc have it quick like they are telling create an issue we will deal it :eek: and the worst part the nokia care got closed here and now its nokia priority delear?? They say we dont handle such cases we only sell?? Then again a few hundred meter apart there opend a nokia priority?? Sometimes open most of the time closed??
I simply cant get what do do with the warranty provided??

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anyone knows whats going on with nokia apart from os and diff things.??