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v0id 2013-05-20 10:03
Re: Jolla Sailfish Is stunning! Now on video!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1345020)
What does this "bezel" people keep talking about mean?
Is it the border around the phone screen?
its the frame around the display...why there is sooooo much space on the top and on the bottom? rly, is this necessary? 4,5" is big enough, why make the phone even bigger with such useless space.

another thing i dont get is: what are they meaning with "other half"? i hope its more than just the stupid back cover

Dave999 2013-05-20 10:15
Re: Jolla Sailfish Is stunning! Now on video!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by v0id (Post 1345027)
its the frame around the display...why there is sooooo much space on the top and on the bottom? rly, is this necessary? 4,5" is big enough, why make the phone even bigger with such useless space.

another thing i dont get is: what are they meaning with "other half"? i hope its more than just the stupid back cover
They also mean delivery the other half of 2013 ;)

szopin 2013-05-20 11:13
Re: Jolla Sailfish Is stunning! Now on video!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RX-51 (Post 1345073)
That space is due to the pull out keyboard a la n900 ;)
Or place for clamps to hold it over N900's screen while using N900's hwkb

Leinad 2013-05-20 12:28
Quote:
Originally Posted by nokiabot (Post 1335245)
we will never have a phone with open hardware
seems like you were wrong ;)

misterc 2013-05-20 12:31
Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZogG (Post 1344683)
Openess is not always open source. again it's about COMMUNICATION and if you saying that Nokia didn't fail on not listening to the customers, who even sent patches to bugs (which were not accepted). where noone knew roadmap, and ended bying something that was dead before born. It's not only Elop. I do remember 3/4 steps and than 4/5 steps and so on :) It was always just prove of concept. But if company claims to do it right, it's also communication.
P.S. And opensource can bring money, you don't need to open everything, but still to make most parts opensource and to tell community what is going on at least. (Metawatch, Raspeberry Pi and more). As far as i heard Jolla has enuf $$.
i don't understand why you are so angry w/ Jolla :confused: :(
from the Jolla Blog...
Quote:

Join the movement and spread the love!

Posted on 20.05.2013 by Marc Dillon

Jolla was born out of passion and expertise in creating mobile products. We saw that we had a chance to make something really unique, and we decided to do it although it seemed crazy to many people at the time. We have proven that by being different, doing unlike things and spreading the love, we can create a world class product with enormous demand and support from the world.
more

Sailing into history

Posted on 20.05.2013 by Tomi Pienimäki

Jolla has been a community from the very beginning. I was following the community and participating in it, now I am honored to lead the Jolla team.

Jolla’s culture is a culture of inclusion, and the Jolla community is Jolla’s backbone. It's a tribe of people who share the same values of free spirit, open innovation and rebellion attitude. It’s a movement that grows every day.
more
give them a chance to live up to our expectations, maybe? :o :cool:

EDIT:
what do you expect?
your personal device, delivered free of charge to your door step?
NOKIA could afford that kind of none-sense, Jolla as a start-up obviously can't.
you'll have to pay for that one, like everyone else.
is that what you are upset about?

cvp 2013-05-20 13:34
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399€ we target to ship by end of 2013 *)

Jolla original design with ample 4.5” Estrade display
Dual core and 4G**)
Keep it and share with 16GB + microSD
8MP AF camera
User-replaceable battery
The Other Half
Gesture based Sailfish OS
Android™ app compliant


https://join.jolla.com/uploads/devic...la_devices.png


... i have pre order one :D

zeebra 2013-08-23 15:12
Re: Jolla Sailfish Is stunning! Now on video!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cvp (Post 1345146)
399€ we target to ship by end of 2013 *)

Jolla original design with ample 4.5” Estrade display
Dual core and 4G**)
Keep it and share with 16GB + microSD
8MP AF camera
User-replaceable battery
The Other Half
Gesture based Sailfish OS
Android™ app compliant


https://join.jolla.com/uploads/devic...la_devices.png


... i have pre order one :D
Boooring. Sorry to say it, but Jolla based their phone concept on the wrong phone. The N9. They should have based it on N900.

But best of luck.

Dave999 2013-08-23 15:20
Re: Jolla Sailfish Is stunning! Now on video!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cvp (Post 1345146)
399€ we target to ship by end of 2013 *)

Jolla original design with ample 4.5” Estrade display
Dual core and 4G**)
Keep it and share with 16GB + microSD
8MP AF camera
User-replaceable battery
The Other Half
Gesture based Sailfish OS
Android™ app compliant


https://join.jolla.com/uploads/devic...la_devices.png


... i have pre order one :D
To me that is 299€ phone, not a euro more. I have a pre-ordered one, but I doubt I will go trough with the purchase unless they increase the spec or lower the price.

Dave999 2013-08-26 16:05
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WTF...noone using jolla phone...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BD8VeuXCMAEkH17.jpg:large

jalyst 2013-08-26 18:34
Re: Jolla Sailfish Is stunning! Now on video!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1369532)
No **** Sherlock, that was a pub. stunt they did some time ago, before the finalised designs were submitted for the very 1st batches.
Why would they have models walking around with prototypes & showcasing them all over the place? That would be dumb.

Dave999 2013-08-26 19:33
Re: Jolla Sailfish Is stunning! Now on video!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1369571)
No **** Sherlock, that was a pub. stunt they did some time ago, before the finalised designs were submitted for the very 1st batches.
Why would they have models walking around with prototypes & showcasing them all over the place? That would be dumb.
I know, it was in Barcelona.

Still funny :D especially the guy...

jalyst 2013-08-27 05:32
Re: Jolla Sailfish Is stunning! Now on video!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1369582)
Still funny :D especially the guy...
Lucky bastard, being a male model looks like a pretty good gig.

Dave999 2013-08-27 05:38
Re: Jolla Sailfish Is stunning! Now on video!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1369644)
Lucky bastard, being a male model looks like a pretty good gig.
His name is Hansel. He's so hot right now!

MINKIN2 2013-09-02 16:55
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An "Unlike"-ly marketing campaign... Allow your models to be seen with everybody else's phones but the one that you are pushing. :p

Even if they did not have a final design, they surely should have reminded them ti keep the phones in pockets whilst wearing the uniform. Anyways, thanks for the new desktop... Hansel is a dreamboat!

Dave999 2013-09-02 17:14
Re: Jolla Sailfish Is stunning! Now on video!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MINKIN2 (Post 1371316)
An "Unlike"-ly marketing campaign... Allow your models to be seen with everybody else's phones but the one that you are pushing. :p

Even if they did not have a final design, they surely should have reminded them ti keep the phones in pockets whilst wearing the uniform. Anyways, thanks for the new desktop... Hansel is a dreamboat!
Take this, This is your new desktop ;)
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/...1-hansel_6.jpg

jalyst 2013-09-03 16:38
Re: Jolla Sailfish Is stunning! Now on video!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MINKIN2 (Post 1371316)
Anyways, thanks for the new desktop... Hansel is a dreamboat!
Dude is attracted to a dude on the internetz, WTF is the world coming to, I kid ;)

Rauha 2013-09-03 17:21
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From a Jollahq tweet

Note the location of the lens, from renders to what looks like a real phone.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BTQAlMtCYAAK3IG.jpg:large

juiceme 2013-09-03 18:34
Re: Jolla Sailfish Is stunning! Now on video!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rauha (Post 1371731)
From a Jollahq tweet
Note the location of the lens, from renders to what looks like a real phone.
Plane of focus is tactical :D

jalyst 2013-09-04 08:02
Re: Jolla Sailfish Is stunning! Now on video!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1371761)
Plane of focus is tactical :D
What do you mean?

Akkumaru 2013-09-04 09:12
Blue and red?! <3

Rugoz 2013-09-04 09:57
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Millions of angry fins will buy Jolla now

jalyst 2013-09-04 13:38
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+1

I hadn't considered that yet...
I doubt millions, but it should be a positive development for Jolla.

juiceme 2013-09-04 13:43
Re: Jolla Sailfish Is stunning! Now on video!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rugoz (Post 1371963)
Millions of angry fins will buy Jolla now
At least some will.
Microsoft is not so universally loved here and if the aquisition leads to unemployment that sure affects the sentiment.

gerbick 2013-09-06 02:24
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I doubt that Jolla will come out to Finland at the right time. If they were smart, they'd already be out. No time to take advantage of this than right now.

I'm going to say if they don't get out in the next month, this might be an opportunity missed imho.

Dave999 2013-09-06 09:50
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Get out of what?

Lumiaman 2013-09-09 10:39
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Finns should be happy Microsoft kept them afloat. They brought all the woes to themselves.

gerbick 2013-09-09 14:47
Re: Jolla Sailfish Is stunning! Now on video!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1372457)
Get out of what?
Out, as in regards to having a product already on shelves, released for sale to the masses.

mikecomputing 2013-09-09 19:28
Re: Jolla Sailfish Is stunning! Now on video!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1372422)
I doubt that Jolla will come out to Finland at the right time. If they were smart, they'd already be out. No time to take advantage of this than right now.

I'm going to say if they don't get out in the next month, this might be an opportunity missed imho.
I agree.

But there has been some kind of progress lately, Dillon and Carol has teased with fresh devices so lets hope they using the time and get the damn devices out for the early adaptors and setup second preorder campaign in coming weeks...

update:

new finish article:

http://www.iltalehti.fi/talous/20130...66124_ta.shtml

translated:

http://translate.google.com/translat...ct=url&act=url

Dave999 2013-09-10 20:46
Re: Jolla Sailfish Is stunning! Now on video!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1373134)
Out, as in regards to having a product already on shelves, released for sale to the masses.
Ok, thanks. I concur!

Dave999 2013-09-16 17:31
Re: Jolla Sailfish Is stunning! Now on video!
 
Do you think its possible for us to install Sailfish OS on our favorite android device like some big screen devices? Jolla screen is so tiny! If not, I think its time for a new CEO! the forth one...

http://cdn-static.zdnet.com/i/r/stor...mb-620x465.png
http://www.phonenews.com/wp-content/...y-Note-III.jpg

juiceme 2013-09-16 18:44
Re: Jolla Sailfish Is stunning! Now on video!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1374614)
Do you think its possible for us to install Sailfish OS on our favorite android device like some big screen devices? Jolla screen is so tiny! If not, I think its time for a new CEO! the forth one...
Dave, you are being even more absurd than usual... :(

Dave999 2013-09-16 18:49
Re: Jolla Sailfish Is stunning! Now on video!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1374629)
Dave, you are being even more absurd than usual... :(
I would hate to see jolla fail just because they don't realize 4,5 is too small 2013 and even smaller 2014.

juiceme 2013-09-16 18:54
Re: Jolla Sailfish Is stunning! Now on video!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1374631)
I hate for jolla to see jolla fail just because they don't realize 4,5 is too small 2013 and even smaller 2014.
No, I meant what you said before: "...Jolla screen is so tiny! If not, I think its time for a new CEO! the forth one..."

Changing CEO's is propably not the way to fix this "problem" you are having with screen sizes... :D

Dave999 2013-09-16 19:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1374633)
No, I meant what you said before: "...Jolla screen is so tiny! If not, I think its time for a new CEO! the forth one..."

Changing CEO's is propably not the way to fix this "problem" you are having with screen sizes... :D
It might be, if the new CEO is more about selling cool devices with big screens that can compete with competiters :D

byteninja2 2013-09-16 19:27
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4.5 inch is PLENTY, especially for one handed use. Look at the Z10, you can get stuff done crazy fast with a 4.3 inch phone. The N9 is 3.9 which I think is fine. My mom uses a S4, to big IMO. Fine for 2 handed use, which is what Android is designed for though.

almamo 2013-09-16 19:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1374631)
I would hate to see jolla fail just because they don't realize 4,5 is too small 2013 and even smaller 2014.
Seriously? At least for this reason Jolla certainly won't fail - 'cause they don't listen to your screen-size suggestions :)

For you I hope that someday we'll have Sailfish on a tablet sized device.

Dave999 2013-09-16 19:43
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Main issue with a small 4.5 screen is that the web experience is bad. The user have to use mobile web or click or zoom all the time 5 inch and bigger gives the user real desktop browser experience without zoom.

jalyst 2013-09-17 02:04
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That's kinda why we have Tablets & eReaders... >.>
Smartphones are better for more portable & "on the move" usage.
Don't forget the UX is designed to make full use of the display, unlike Android/iOS.*
Phablets above 5.5" are a abomination for everyone except big people.
4.5's a good solid start, it's above Apple's benchmark, one of the industry leaders whether you like them or not.
And it's where most top-end non-phablet smartphones sit now, & well into next yr.
Maybe next yr they'll announce a successor that's phablet form-factor, but I doubt they'll be so boring.
If they do it won't just be about the phablet screen-size...


*although in Android there's ways around such limitations for more savvy users

Dave999 2013-09-17 05:12
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apple suffer from small screen syndrome. The sales and stock price suffer. Fortunatly for apple,they have a brand and a cutomer base. But even so, they are suffering because of small screens. Im sure they are trying to get 5,5 iphone to market as soon as possible, if not they are doing a nokia(livong in the past)

gerbick 2013-09-17 05:44
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I really think that the screen on the N9 was pushing it in terms of how small would be comfortable for me. 4.5 inches is just about right - I have a BB Z10 and honestly that screen size is almost perfect for me. Usage of real estate has to be thought out and implemented well, which is where iOS 7 actually excels.

Jolla, so far from what I've seen, the screen size and UI/UX utilization is probably the best I've seen. I just hope the rest of their offerings - the apps, app support (yay Android?) and overall experience in core apps like the browser and email client is up to snuff.

Don't fret the screen size. One day, we'll all look at how the larger screen sizes and multiple cores were just as wasteful and meaningless as the old gigahertz race between AMD and Intel.

In the end, a larger screen is only as good as how it's going to be used. Jolla has a great size in their initial release. I just want the damn thing in my hands sooner than later. My N9 is only for international trips (so I pocket it usually in my front pocket since it's so small) and my BB Z10 is starting to bore me despite being closer to a UI I'd rather use than say iOS and Android.

Sadly though, already running iOS7 on my iPad mini has me liking it more and more. iOS7 is really a mixture of a lot of things that I like on Android and some other prior systems... yeah. Apple actually has made me finally like their mobile workflow just a little bit.


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