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Bundyo 2013-12-11 21:07
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zlatko (Post 1395122)
Question for lucky Jolla owners(and employees) - is the browser supporting certificate import? This is needed for internet banking etc.
There was an additional package for Certificates menu option in Settings, but the menu item didn't work on my N950. Other than that, the engine is Gecko, so you can probably hack your certificates in it somehow (not sure again :)

I would be more concerned by the banking site rendering in the browser. You my be better off with Android Firefox in this case.

Wallace 2013-12-11 21:11
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by att (Post 1395149)
Settings app: System settings: Backup, tap the backup, tap Delete.
Been there before and done that but afther your advice tryed first long press (did not show options).

When i taped tre times in a row it worked with a slight dalay. :)

I guess is a big file and opens slow?

Wallace 2013-12-11 21:20
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Miharin (Post 1395157)
So how do I connect my Jolla to Mac? Or Linux for that matter? Android File Transfer app doesn't seem to do it.
There is some info connecting to Mac.

https://jolla.zendesk.com/entries/28...-Using-My-Mac-

ggabriel 2013-12-11 21:22
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1395125)
2.) Could you tell me an example of a site to try?
I'll PM one example.

tissot 2013-12-11 21:25
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Another video in Finnish.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PQortdxHEQ

I really am positively surprised by that Android support. After my short experience with Z10 I have learned to expect less. :)

All the major apps that I have to have (twitter, youtube, Spotify) seem to be fluid and work with no problems. If we have any Younited cloud users here, I would love to know how good the Android app works on Jolla.
I believe Younited has plans to bring native app to Linux and Sailfish, alongside the already supported iOS, mac, Windows, Windows Phone, Android and web.

Bundyo 2013-12-11 21:27
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tissot (Post 1395175)
Another video in Finnish.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PQortdxHEQ

I really am positively surprised by that Android support. After my short experience with Z10 I have learned to expect less. :)

All the major apps that I have to have (twitter, youtube, Spotify) seem to be fluid and work with no problems. If we have any Younited cloud users here, I would love to know how good the Android app works on Jolla.
I believe Younited has plans to bring native app to Linux and Sailfish, alongside the already supported iOS, mac, Windows, Windows Phone, Android and web.
BB10's Android support is much better now too, mind you ;)

Miharin 2013-12-11 21:32
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Anyone getting a "wrong country code value" when trying to make a new Yandex account ^^ No matter how I type my phone number, no deal.

Dave999 2013-12-11 21:32
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by beylow (Post 1395165)
Got my Jolla today from DNA. Very excited. But later I was totally disappointed. The phone sometimes doesn't find my sim card and losing signal for more than 10 times in less than half an hour. The phone is already updated to the latest firmware. (BTW. my sim card works perfect in nokia and samsung devices) I have to constantly restart the phone in order to re-detect the sim card. I went to DNA, they refused to change a new one for me. They told me the only option is to send the phone to service point. Unbelievable service! I have heard that usually in Finland they will replace the faulty phone with a new one. This kind of experience really let me down. This is definitely the last time for me to purchase anything from DNA. And Jolla, let's see what you will do.
Ouch. I'm sorry to hear that. Yes, if you bought it in store go back and let them handle the service at least.

ggabriel 2013-12-11 21:51
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1395180)
Ouch. I'm sorry to hear that. Yes, if you bought it in store go back and let them handle the service at least.
That and email care@jolla.com so that they are aware and can put pressure on DNA ;-)

richardyates 2013-12-11 21:59
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wallace (Post 1395172)
There is some info connecting to Mac.

https://jolla.zendesk.com/entries/28...-Using-My-Mac-
How annoying that next to English is the American flag. No offence but its called English because of where it comes from:-)

ggabriel 2013-12-11 22:02
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by richardyates (Post 1395190)
How annoying that next to English is the American flag. No offence but its called English because of where it comes from:-)
How annoying it is that people think that America is a country. Now, let's go back to the Jolla UX please, otherwise we'll be here forever ;-)

ggabriel 2013-12-11 22:11
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Another question... when you connect the Jolla by USB to a preferably Linux/BSD computer, does it present a mass storage device? Anything like /dev/sdb or /dev/sdb1 (like the N9 used to do)? Or do you have to use this multimedia-thingy protocol to access it?

ajalkane 2013-12-11 22:12
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by minimos (Post 1395096)
I noticed that if I set the device with "English UK" language, the maps app shows distances in yards/miles. Bleargh :-/
Is there any way to get English language and metric units? I miss some kind of en_DK locale!
Oh me god, that's horrible. Definitely hope to have a setting for that.

Maybe I'm too ancient or whatever, but I never want to use computer-like (that includes smartphones) devices in nothing else but in english. That doesn't mean I want to live in the age of enlightenment with imperial units :P.

So a separate setting for that would be most welcome in a future update.

att 2013-12-11 22:35
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Miharin (Post 1395178)
Anyone getting a "wrong country code value" when trying to make a new Yandex account ^^ No matter how I type my phone number, no deal.
Use the security question option instead of mobile security.

att 2013-12-11 22:40
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ggabriel (Post 1395201)
Another question... when you connect the Jolla by USB to a preferably Linux/BSD computer, does it present a mass storage device? Anything like /dev/sdb or /dev/sdb1 (like the N9 used to do)? Or do you have to use this multimedia-thingy protocol to access it?
When I connect it to my Fedora Linux computer, there is temporarily mass storage device visible before I select the connection mode from Jolla's dialog but when I tried to access the device it won't give anything out (capacity zero bytes). After selecting PC connectivity from Jolla the device disappears and you get only MTP access.

_Routser 2013-12-11 22:56
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
The default browser seems stop being able to click any links every once in a while. restaring the app worked once, for other I did a reboot to make it work. Happened three times within a day now.

mariusmssj 2013-12-11 23:01
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by richardyates (Post 1395190)
How annoying that next to English is the American flag. No offence but its called English because of where it comes from:-)
I almost spilled my tea and dropped my crumpets when I saw that.

Philippe 2013-12-11 23:08
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by att (Post 1395212)
When I connect it to my Fedora Linux computer, there is temporarily mass storage device visible before I select the connection mode from Jolla's dialog but when I tried to access the device it won't give anything out (capacity zero bytes). After selecting PC connectivity from Jolla the device disappears and you get only MTP access.
The mass-storage you see is a fake mass-storage profile to trick the PC into providing 500mA to charge. Otherwise there is no way to charge for sure when connected.

If you install developer mode you will also get an RNDIS device with ssh.

Unfortunately mass-storage is a pain to work with and as such has not been retained. However it should not be insanely hard to get it to work with a fat formatted SD-card in the device.

The doc is here if you want to have a go at it:

https://github.com/nemomobile/usb-mo..._moded-doc.txt

att 2013-12-11 23:13
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Philippe (Post 1395226)
If you install developer mode you will also get an RNDIS device with ssh.
Yes, I have alread tried it. It worked fine with Fedora Linux :)

Miharin 2013-12-11 23:18
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by att (Post 1395211)
Use the security question option instead of mobile security.
I tried that too, but its not loading the captcha, says network not available. Same comments in the Jolla store.

att 2013-12-11 23:30
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Miharin (Post 1395233)
I tried that too, but its not loading the captcha, says network not available. Same comments in the Jolla store.
Enable and connect with WLAN. Short version: there seems to be some kind of detection bug releated network connections. Connecting with WLAN seems to fix it, at least temporarily.

Miharin 2013-12-11 23:42
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
No luck, I tried with both 3g and wifi. I'm gonna try to create the account somehow else.

RX-51 2013-12-12 00:24
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Anyone with a Jolla Phone tried to root the phone yet?
Regarding AlienDalvik - to use XPrivacy with the XPosed Framework you'd normally have to root the phone first.
How/Does this work with the Jolla phone - someone would try it out pls? :o

Is the Facebook implementation into the OS selectable at first install or is it intractable bound to Sailfish? :(

bennypr0fane 2013-12-12 00:38
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
What are the built-in options that we have for PIM-syncing?
- calendar
- contacts
- tasks
- mail
- rsync for files
Which sync protocols are supported out of the box, which ones can be added by applications? It would be nice to have an overview of these things. To be honest, I don't have a very clear picture of how this works in general: do some syncing protocols need to be supported be the OS, or can any kind of syncing be just added by an app? For instance, if Jolla won't make DAV support (webdav, caldav, carddav), does that mean we're stuck with other protocols, or can we just build some apps to support it?
Nokia used to have Mail for Exchange or Ovi sync (discontinued and never worked well) built in - both not exactly awesome, but in some videos I've seen Exchange is still one of the first apps you can install.

juiceme 2013-12-12 04:39
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ggabriel (Post 1394959)
2. This is a trickier one: can the browser open pages over SSL with ident authentication? (N9 couldn't in its first version, and could in its second; iOS/Android failed miserably when I last tested).
I can now confirm that this works also :)

juiceme 2013-12-12 06:45
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by abyzthomas (Post 1395162)
If you launch the messaging app and swipe away and relaunch, you will only get 1 window.

If you launch the messaging app and open some contacts messages, and then swipe away and relaunch from icon, you will get a new windows. You can keep doing this with as many contacts on N9 to have their message windows open so you can switch between them. I leave the message window open for the people I message often so I can switch to them easily.

Edit: I always hoped if the email client also allowed us to do it, but it does not on N9.
This is bloody amazing??

Could you believe me if I told you that I've had N9 for over 2 years and this is the first time I noticed that it does that??
I have always came up to the "message chains level" before swiping away from it so I never noticed it can actually do this!!!

Pretty neat it is :)

cy8aer 2013-12-12 07:01
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RX-51 (Post 1395248)
Anyone with a Jolla Phone tried to root the phone yet?
Regarding AlienDalvik - to use XPrivacy with the XPosed Framework you'd normally have to root the phone first.
How/Does this work with the Jolla phone - someone would try it out pls? :o
You want to root an Android simulation? Nice...

juiceme 2013-12-12 07:05
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Philippe (Post 1395226)
The mass-storage you see is a fake mass-storage profile to trick the PC into providing 500mA to charge. Otherwise there is no way to charge for sure when connected.

If you install developer mode you will also get an RNDIS device with ssh.

Unfortunately mass-storage is a pain to work with and as such has not been retained. However it should not be insanely hard to get it to work with a fat formatted SD-card in the device.
Yes, that is true and I hate the USB-export feature with all my heart, unless used for very specific tasks like installing boot environment on a partition :D

The reason why it is so discusting is that if a partition is offred for low-level mounting outside the device it has to be umounted inside the device for the duration, or there'll be data inconsistency.
Making sure this works is overly complicated, you need a specific daemon to handle it and signal applications to pull out from the disk before it's umounted, or else deny the operation, and so on...

It is error prone and unnecessary since you can always use sftp/rcp/nfs/samba/whatever to transfer data over network instead.

davidoz 2013-12-12 07:46
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
If I move a apk file on your phone, then how do I install the application?

bockersjv 2013-12-12 08:04
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by davidoz (Post 1395319)
If I move a apk file on your phone, then how do I install the application?
open it from the transfers screen in settings.

bockersjv 2013-12-12 08:07
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RX-51 (Post 1395248)

Is the Facebook implementation into the OS selectable at first install or is it intractable bound to Sailfish? :(
ALL installs are selectable, there is nothing pre loaded.

bockersjv 2013-12-12 08:12
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by _Routser (Post 1395219)
The default browser seems stop being able to click any links every once in a while. restaring the app worked once, for other I did a reboot to make it work. Happened three times within a day now.
Have you upgraded the OS? I had this issue and it made the browser a real pain to work with :-/ however the latest os release fixes this and the stock browser is now much faster with reliable link clicking. Just need landscape mode now.

benny1967 2013-12-12 08:15
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Philippe (Post 1395226)
Unfortunately mass-storage is a pain to work with and as such has not been retained. However it should not be insanely hard to get it to work with a fat formatted SD-card in the device.
Mass storage is essential and actually the only USB mode I expect on any device.

ste-phan 2013-12-12 08:20
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cy8aer (Post 1395309)
You want to root an Android simulation? Nice...
Supposedly you mean it should already simulate a rooted Android? :confused:

davidoz 2013-12-12 08:21
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bockersjv (Post 1395326)
open it from the transfers screen in settings.

Thanks very much :)

juiceme 2013-12-12 09:11
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 1395333)
Mass storage is essential and actually the only USB mode I expect on any device.
Mass storage is a f****d-up remains from the era people connected things like stand-alone-MP3-players into computers. It should be deprecated, deal with it.

juiceme 2013-12-12 09:13
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bockersjv (Post 1395329)
ALL installs are selectable, there is nothing pre loaded.
This is really nice feature, as opposed to N9/Harmattan where you could not get rid of facebook et al. useless crap preinstalled on the device.
Props for that to Jolla crew!

richardyates 2013-12-12 09:15
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Only issue for me with not having mass storage is that it makes it pretty hard to get photos off the phone without some aggro. Bit can always take the sd card out anyway, just not as convenient

richardyates 2013-12-12 09:16
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Update to the odd alarms saga

Last night I switched from the white other half to the poppy red other half.

This didn't fix the alarm problem and may be wholly unconnected to it but today the alarm didn't go off at 6:44, nor 7:44, in fact today it hasn't gone off at all:/

juiceme 2013-12-12 09:17
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ste-phan (Post 1395334)
Quote:
Originally Posted by cy8aer (Post 1395309)
You want to root an Android simulation? Nice...
Supposedly you mean it should already simulate a rooted Android? :confused:
Well, as Android security really is the POC it looks like, it is fair and well it should not be rooted, at least on the real root level.
Simulation of a rooted Android running on sandbox, OTOH, would be OK IMHO :D


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