maemo.org - Talk - TOHKBD rev2

If it's mapped to anything, FingerTerm doesn't see it, or ignores it.

"od -t x1" registers all keys just fine, including multiple chars (as expected) for Home, End, Del, PgUp, PgDn and the arrows, but nothing at all for Ins. I don't think Ins is mapped ...

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Originally Posted by viking65 (Post 1474472)

A CapsLock-like stickiness of Ctrl and Blue could be useful, maybe exclusive (one cancels the other) ?
...
In the Settings app, a keyboard tester could be nice. [cut]

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Originally Posted by kimmoli (Post 1474553)

There is some ideas to improve that. we'll see in future updates.
...
There will something like this when the keyboard mapping editor comes out

Gr8 :cool:

tetris11_

2015-06-25 12:40

Re: TOHKBD rev2

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Originally Posted by oenone (Post 1474777)

I suspect many people are waiting for the answer to these questions. . .

There are a supposed total of 1432 TOHKBD ordered. Supposedly there have been 631 orders (some people may have ordered more than 1 TOHKBD under one order number. I know I did.) that have been assembled and are either about to be shipped, are shipped, or have been received.

I think the main question of people is when are they going to get theirs? The lack of information about the process beyond that the Scandic layouts arrived first and thus would be assembled first (which also makes sense so that the folks at Jolla can get their hands on TOHKBD first for the software integration and testing) is the biggest issue people are facing:

Why do some later backers get their TOHKBD's before those that backed earlier?

For example, my order number has some 440-some orders that seem to have been assembled and/or shipped before it, even though my order number comes before them. Why?

So orders are obviously not fulfilled in a first-in-first-out basis.

Is the assembly by type of keyboard? It does not seem like it, because there are a variety of different layouts that have been assembled and/or shipped, including the layout I requested.

Is the assembly by higher paying individuals first? It does not seem like it because in that case those that ordered more TOHKBD's would be served before that ordered only one, and that isn't the case.

Is the assembly by country of destination? Difficult to tell. Most reports indicate that people in EU-EEA countries are receiving their TOHKBD's, so maybe EU-EEA first, then the rest of the world? In any case, I am in the EU, so maybe assembly is not by destination.

Research suggests that people are ok with delays and waiting if they know about how long they have to wait and why.

Yeah massive emphasis on the last sentence.

One small crack at your post would be that it would make no sense to post the keyboards by backer order, since they are likely sent out in batches grouped by common country codes in order to minimize the number of batches.

I just want a rough guide on country order (frenchy-german keyboards out next month, spanish keyboards out a few months after, etc, etc). I'm happy to wait, I just want a rough timeframe to tide me over the waiting process.

dirkvl

2015-06-25 13:27

Re: TOHKBD rev2

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Originally Posted by tetris11_ (Post 1474787)

I'm happy to wait, I just want a rough timeframe to tide me over the waiting process.

464 to go

now working on qwertz
from low numbers to high
then some qwerty
then all others
then all that ended up in 'something wrong with this pile'

hope to send all kickstarter orders within two weeks

going to the postoffice saturday to send all to funky countries

i completely understand that you guys all want your tohkbds, but understand me please: i want nothing more than to deliver as fast as possible, but people being angry at me is extremely demotivating and typing this very text is removing valuable assembly-time from my day.

dirkvl

2015-06-25 13:36

Re: TOHKBD rev2

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Originally Posted by dirkvl (Post 1474798)

people being angry at me is extremely demotivating

it is almost as demotivating as people that order black-black-black tohkbds. come on, dare to be a little unlike...

Kabouik

2015-06-25 13:43

Re: TOHKBD rev2

Send me my white/pink #74 jewel. Just sayin', for your motivation. :o

HtheB

2015-06-25 13:50

Re: TOHKBD rev2

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirkvl (Post 1474800)

it is almost as demotivating as people that order black-black-black tohkbds. come on, dare to be a little unlike...

http://www.troll.me/images/dogie-kid...come-back-.jpg

pichlo

2015-06-25 14:04

Re: TOHKBD rev2

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirkvl (Post 1474800)

it is almost as demotivating as people that order black-black-black tohkbds. come on, dare to be a little unlike...

I am sorry, I am sorry, I am sorry! Shame it's too late to change :(

Seriously, you should have had the "random" option.

Nicocys

2015-06-25 15:17

Re: TOHKBD rev2

It is getting much better with the latest software update (0.3.1). I can finally type stuff without "sticky keys" (about 90% of the time), and the keyboard doesn't switch off randomly anymore. Some issue I have now is a non functioning enter key and unresponsive right half of the spacebar. Both used to work so it isn't hardware related. I have both values at their max for the repetition in the settings, maybe this is related ?

stefanmohl

2015-06-25 15:39

Re: TOHKBD rev2

I found something to fix for rev3 of the keyboard:

The bumps on the f and j keys (used for locating your finger-position when touch-typing) aren't detectable (at least not by my fingers). Make them more distinguishable next time!

Amboss

2015-06-25 16:23

Re: TOHKBD rev2

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Originally Posted by Kabouik (Post 1474801)

Send me my white/pink #74 jewel. Just sayin', for your motivation. :o

<motivation>
Yeah, and if you are at it, I would like my red/green/maple #452 ordered via funkyotherhalf (as I couldn't get my cc working with kickstarter at that time...)
</motivation> :D

EDIT: fixed order number

tobasmogaster

2015-06-25 18:36

Re: TOHKBD rev2

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirkvl (Post 1474800)

it is almost as demotivating as people that order black-black-black tohkbds. come on, dare to be a little unlike...

actually i was not aware, that i has only that chance to buy one...
i thought that i could buy one later, more unlike, i couldn't imagine that you work that hard for only one little serie...
would love to recombinate diffrent tohkbd...

but you sound as nothing could change your mind to stop the production...

;(

anyway thank you for this wonderfull piece your funkyness...

HtheB

2015-06-25 19:23

Re: TOHKBD rev2

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Originally Posted by tobasmogaster (Post 1474830)

Just keep an eye on ebay or just here on tmo, there could be people who would sell it

kimmoli

2015-06-25 20:25

Re: TOHKBD rev2

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Originally Posted by ssahla (Post 1474349)

Kimmoli, if I can make a wish: If possible, make alt-tab work like it does in desktop os's: so that the app that is activated with the first alt-tab keystroke is the one I used last (before the current one). That way you can quickly switch back and forth between two apps with single alt-tab's.

ssahla: this is now implemented in 0.3.2

tiempjuuh

2015-06-26 05:45

Re: TOHKBD rev2

Quote:

Originally Posted by tobasmogaster (Post 1474830)

As the 3D files are on Github, you'll be at least able to get a new backplate easily, and if you're more of a dare devil even a new keyboard plate... Just print it at Shapeways.

tobasmogaster

2015-06-26 06:43

Re: TOHKBD rev2

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Originally Posted by tiempjuuh (Post 1474852)

As the 3D files are on Github, you'll be at least able to get a new backplate easily, and if you're more of a dare devil even a new keyboard plate... Just print it at Shapeways.

first off all I'm waiting for my boring one ;)
...inpatient like a teenager waiting for his first date.. :D

tetris11_

2015-06-26 09:19

Re: TOHKBD rev2

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirkvl (Post 1474798)

464 to go

now working on qwertz
from low numbers to high
then some qwerty
then all others
then all that ended up in 'something wrong with this pile'

hope to send all kickstarter orders within two weeks

Just wanted to say: WOOOOOO WOOOOOO WOOOOOO! :D

Hount

2015-06-26 21:00

Re: TOHKBD rev2

I had to change back to my previous phone (Motorola Droid 4)
HW issues:
The tactile feedback on TOHKBD is just plain horrible, individual buttons are "bit" wobbly and require random amount of force to register the keypress. Whole keyboard on TOHKBD feels like its on top of soft rubber.

SW: issues:
lag between keypress and letter on screen is bit too much. No Android app support (as of 25.6.) And as you know the native app selection on Jolla is still relatively limited one must use Android apps pretty much daily.

- Hount

juiceme

2015-06-27 06:36

Re: TOHKBD rev2

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hount (Post 1474936)

HW issues:
The tactile feedback on TOHKBD is just plain horrible, individual buttons are "bit" wobbly and require random amount of force to register the keypress. Whole keyboard on TOHKBD feels like its on top of soft rubber.

Feeling is quite "hard", it requires some force to press and the movement of keys is relatively short. However it seems to me it is getting a bit easier to press the buttons.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hount (Post 1474936)

SW: issues:
lag between keypress and letter on screen is bit too much. No Android app support (as of 25.6.) And as you know the native app selection on Jolla is still relatively limited one must use Android apps pretty much daily.

I just have to disagree on this. It is a popular misconception that Android apps are needed for anything; I'd consider it better if there was no Android support at all, then people would not bitch about it constantly.

And yes; I have never had android support in my device, I did not install it two years ago and have never needed it.

HtheB

2015-06-27 08:18

Re: TOHKBD rev2

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Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1474953)

Just because you didn't ever used it, doesn't mean that other users shouldn't use it too. It also doesn't mean that it shouldn't work properly either.

I personally need it to use it for my banking app, or parking app to pay the parking money and stuff.
And yes, there shouldn't be any reason why TOHKBD shouldn't work on Android apps... I hope there will be a fix for this :)

vistaus

2015-06-27 10:51

Re: TOHKBD rev2

I don't experience any input lag, but I do agree that the keys are very hard to press which is a real bummer. It's better than the onscreen keyboard, but not as great as my previous phone (HP Pre 3) or my mum's phone (BB Passport). Hopefully that will improve once the keys 'sink in' after a while :)

As for TOHKBD Android apps support: didn't I read that the upcoming system update will allow that?

velox

2015-06-28 17:09

Re: TOHKBD rev2

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirkvl (Post 1474798)

464 to go

now working on qwertz
from low numbers to high

I just looked up my backer number for the first time. #54, quertz – time to get excited… :)

kimmoli

2015-06-28 17:16

Re: TOHKBD rev2

vistaus, thanks for translation

seiichiro0185

2015-06-28 17:16

Re: TOHKBD rev2

I have #60 QWERTZ, (im)patiently waiting.... ;)

oenone

2015-06-28 18:30

Re: TOHKBD rev2

I have not been able to notice any updates on the list, Have any new numbers been added in the past week or so?

kimmoli

2015-06-28 21:34

Re: TOHKBD rev2

Coming in next update:

Ctrl-Alt-Del reboot done right (through dsme) with remorse:
http://kimmoli.com/tauhkaa/ss20150628-234117-245.png

All modifier keys can be configured (sorry, Suomenkieliset tekstit)
http://kimmoli.com/tauhkaa/ss20150629-001109-080.png

Sticky and Locking:
Sticky modifiers will toggle when pressed once and released after pressing any other key. Locking modifier will lock on double-press and released on third. In both modes you can also use them as normal modifier keys

juiceme

2015-06-29 03:41

Re: TOHKBD rev2

Quote:

Originally Posted by kimmoli (Post 1475085)

Coming in next update:

Ctrl-Alt-Del reboot done right (through dsme) with remorse:

Rebooting the device might be important for some people but I'd rather see "killall lipstick" implemeted as a keycombo since that's my preferred method of glitch recovery.

(and besides device can always be force-rebooted via power cycling...)

mced	2015-06-29 07:20

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I just want to give infinite thanks to Dirkvl, Kimmoli and the rest of the team, and I hope their health won't be afected by this stressful situation.

To all the impatient people: I understand your feelings, but keep in mind that we are given the chance to own, maybe, the last decent terminal in mobile phone history: with all those no-brainers out there, loving their crap virtual on-screen keyboards, it's unlikely we'll see another N900/N950.

QWERTY TOHKBD high number :( :D

popolon

2015-06-29 09:32

Re: TOHKBD rev2

Is this keyboard causing phone to startup very slowly? Or just my luck that I received faulty keyboard? I have latest OS installed, and this keyboard seems to hang the phone eventually. Also keypresses produce weird results, for example "a" --> "af". Notes application startup takes very many seconds with keyboard. Without this keyboard phone startup and Notes application start up is not slow.

juiceme

2015-06-29 09:58

Re: TOHKBD rev2

Quote:

Originally Posted by popolon (Post 1475109)

You definitely have something wrong, either in HW or SW.
I have noticed none of the symptoms you describe.

kimmoli

2015-06-29 10:20

Re: TOHKBD rev2

Quote:

Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1475096)

Rebooting the device might be important for some people but I'd rather see "killall lipstick" implemeted as a keycombo since that's my preferred method of glitch recovery.

yep. for sake of uptime :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1475096)

(and besides device can always be force-rebooted via power cycling...)

power-cycling is so.. macintosh

ah, almost forgot to attach this...
http://kimmoli.fi/tauhkaa/ss20150629-131254-371.png

kimmoli

2015-06-29 10:24

Re: TOHKBD rev2

Quote:

Originally Posted by popolon (Post 1475109)

Quickly analysed, seems interrupt pin is staying low, or you have another thing running fighting for i2c resources.

Check output of ps ax | grep toh
should be about like this (maybe additional grep..)

Code:

   94 ?        S      0:00 [irq/331-toh-eve]

  742 ?        Ssl    0:02 /usr/sbin/tohd

18839 ?        Ssl    0:00 /usr/bin/harbour-tohkbd2

20784 ?        Sl     0:02 /usr/bin/harbour-tohkbd2-user

instructions part 2: https://pastebin.com/nfmKZdJ7

vistaus

2015-06-29 10:36

Re: TOHKBD rev2

Quote:

Originally Posted by kimmoli (Post 1475069)

vistaus, thanks for translation

You're welcome! :)

juiceme

2015-06-29 11:23

Re: TOHKBD rev2

Quote:

Originally Posted by kimmoli (Post 1475117)

power-cycling is so.. macintosh

Well, Mac HW is passable at least... (I am running Linux on my main work desktop)

juice@sabretooth:~$ sudo dmidecode | grep -A2 '^System Information'
System Information
Manufacturer: Apple Inc.
Product Name: MacBookPro11,2

Quote:

Originally Posted by kimmoli (Post 1475117)

ah, almost forgot to attach this...
http://kimmoli.fi/tauhkaa/ss20150629-131254-371.png

Thanks, this is good except for one thing I wonder. If my UI's botched, how come I can click the "restart Lipstick" button after invoking the three-finger-salute on the HWKBD?? :eek:

vitaminj

2015-06-29 13:20

Re: TOHKBD rev2

Really love the restart "easter egg" - very cool!
Can I throw in the suggestion of Ctrl-Alt-Bksp as "restart lipstick" (in honour of the shortcut to kill xwindows on linux desktops) and keep ctrl-alt-del as full restart?

HtheB

2015-06-29 13:25

Re: TOHKBD rev2

I was hoping that ALT+F4 would work :(

ggabriel

2015-06-29 13:36

Re: TOHKBD rev2

Quote:

Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1475137)

I was hoping that ALT+F4 would work :(

You were probably hoping for a Windows key too...

Casanunda

2015-06-29 13:37

Re: TOHKBD rev2

Quote:

Originally Posted by vitaminj (Post 1475136)

Can I throw in the suggestion of Ctrl-Alt-Bksp as "restart lipstick" (in honour of the shortcut to kill xwindows on linux desktops) and keep ctrl-alt-del as full restart?

I was thinking just the same.

Copernicus

2015-06-29 13:56

Re: TOHKBD rev2

Quote:

Originally Posted by kimmoli (Post 1475117)

power-cycling is so.. macintosh

??? Gotta stand up for my Macs here. :) I tend to just leave my Minis up and running 24/7, normally for periods of months at a time. Probably the only reason to reboot the machine (other than power outages) is when the OS is being upgraded; and I tend to put off those sorts of upgrades unless I really need them...

HtheB

2015-06-29 14:03

Re: TOHKBD rev2

Quote:

Originally Posted by ggabriel (Post 1475139)

You were probably hoping for a Windows key too...

https://i.imgflip.com/nk2s9.jpg

On a serious note:
Well, it could have a "Sailfish" key, which could directly bring up the "App drawer". and when pressing the Sailfish key again, it could switch back to the app that was already open

Edit: This idea might work on Sailfish 2.0

mrsellout

2015-06-29 15:30

Re: TOHKBD rev2

Quote:

Originally Posted by oenone (Post 1475075)

I have not been able to notice any updates on the list, Have any new numbers been added in the past week or so?

FYI I received mine today (#71, qwerty/white/white/kelo) and it wasn't on the spreadsheet.

Cheers Dirk et al!

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