Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

I have an Xperia X updated all the way but not yet unlocked.

My plan was to update it via Emma using my work laptop come the 11th. (My only windows machine) I would be happy to test skipping the emma step and just flashing direct. Assuming its considered zero/low risk.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

It maybe true.
Probably EMMA simply install the latest stock firmware to an unlocked Xperia X. The same firmware you should receive via OTA.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

I'll give it a try as soon as I receive my Xperia X (hopefully) early next week. At least if there is no one who can test if earlier.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Yeah there is no risk here, worst case is that fastboot says no and you need to Flash with Emma/Flashtool anyway.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

I'll test anything, even if it's high risk. I have a hot air SMD rework station and many, many breakouts/SOIC clips and several in-situ programmers that I've used to come back from bad flashes or hard bricks.

Also, can't we just "relock" the bootloader if that becomes a problem? By flashing with the official tool, reverting to a factory state (and flashing the TW partition for those of us that backed it up!)?

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

If you're willing to flash with the appropriate tool, then you don't need to worry about this at all. This is about providing an easy, mostly software free process to install Sailfish X on any operating system that fastboot supports (linux, windows, osx, probably others).

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

I sent my phone to Sony for repairs and they updated the software I'm currently on 34.3.A.0.228 but haven't unlocked the boot-loader yet.

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I also haven't touched my bootloader yet. I intend to downgrade & backup the DRM keys this weekend and then I am happy to try out OTA -> unlock -> EMMA-free flash.

Did I understand correctly that ^^ is what should be tested?

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Hi.
I already have my Xperia in version 34.3. There's and option in the phone menus to unlock the bootloader (as you can see in one of the Jolla Videos released a few days ago).

I hope you're right with your guess:

1.- OTA up to 34.3
2.- Unlock bootloaders
3.- Flash Sailfish X

Regards.

EDIT: Sorry, I didn't read the last messages.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

We've had a successful flash, so if you want to remain windows free during the install of Sailfish X make sure you update via OTA to 34.3.A.0.228 (check Settings | About phone | Build number) before unlocking your bootloader.

Once you do that, Sailfish X will flash just fine.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

I have not unlocked the bootloader yet, so I might also try that.
However, do I need an Android account or whatever to receive OTA updates?

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EDIT: As corrected by jakibaki, below link is no flashable image.
sorry for misleading, i should have invested more time.

Original wrong suggestion:
No need for OTA as you should be able to DL this image of 34.3.A.0.228 from sony open source archvie and flash.
Right?

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

The download you linked is just the source code of the open-source-stuff of that update afaik. At the very least it's not a flashable image.

That has nothing to do with the bootloader-update that the ota/emma/flashtool applies.

The ota is just an additional way of getting the update that's needed to flash sailfish x. The official way is to use emma but unofficially updating via ota or the open source flashtool works too.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Hi Jakibaki.

Can you explain me, if i need to flash the new community-image or i still can use the old one from 1.10.2017 (with replaced flash.sh) ?

Thanks

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

What is thos "new community-image" are you talking about ?

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

You don't need to do anything different from the instructions of whatever community-build you want to use after updating, the update only unlocks the oem partition, it doesn't force you to use it. The flash.sh is specific for the build you want to use and changing it to write the blobs to the oem-partition would only break the community-build because it still expects them to be in the old position.

The only place where you'll have to replace a script is the official release because that one will (most likely) only ship with the windows-script.

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I'm clearly no expert here so what I'm doing wrong:

08/039/2017 12:39:09 - INFO - Flashtool Version 0.9.23.1 built on 11-01-2017 15:12:00
08/039/2017 12:39:09 - INFO - Executing search strategies to find proxy selector
08/039/2017 12:39:10 - INFO - No proxy found for IE. Trying next one
08/039/2017 12:39:10 - INFO - Strategy firefox failed trying next one : No Firefox installation found
08/039/2017 12:39:10 - INFO - No proxy found for java. Trying next one
08/039/2017 12:39:10 - INFO - Syncing devices from github
08/039/2017 12:39:10 - INFO - Opening devices repository.
08/039/2017 12:39:10 - INFO - Scanning devices folder for changes.
08/039/2017 12:39:19 - INFO - Pulling changes from github.
08/039/2017 12:39:20 - INFO - Quietly closing devices repository.
08/039/2017 12:39:20 - INFO - Devices sync finished.
08/039/2017 12:39:20 - INFO - Loading devices database
08/039/2017 12:39:20 - INFO - Loaded 98 devices
08/039/2017 12:39:20 - INFO - Starting phone detection
08/039/2017 12:39:25 - INFO - Device disconnected
08/040/2017 12:40:02 - INFO - Device connected with USB debugging on
08/040/2017 12:40:03 - INFO - Connected device : Sony Xperia X
08/040/2017 12:40:03 - INFO - Installed version of busybox : N/A
08/040/2017 12:40:03 - INFO - Android version : 7.1.1 / kernel version : 3.10.84-perf-gcb77bab-03149-gfe8d4a8 / Platform : 64bits / Build number : 34.3.A.0.217
08/040/2017 12:40:03 - INFO - Root access denied
08/040/2017 12:40:16 - INFO - Selected Bundle for Sony Xperia X(F5121). FW release : 34.0.A.2.301. Customization : NCB
08/040/2017 12:40:16 - INFO - Preparing files for flashing
08/041/2017 12:41:25 - INFO - Please connect your device into flashmode.
08/041/2017 12:41:58 - INFO - Device disconnected
08/042/2017 12:42:19 - INFO - Device connected in flash mode
08/042/2017 12:42:20 - INFO - Opening device for R/W
08/042/2017 12:42:20 - INFO - Reading device information
08/042/2017 12:42:20 - INFO - Unable to read from phone after having opened it.
08/042/2017 12:42:20 - INFO - trying to continue anyway
08/042/2017 12:42:20 - INFO - Phone ready for flashmode operations.
08/042/2017 12:42:20 - INFO - Opening TA partition 2
08/042/2017 12:42:20 - INFO - Start Flashing
08/042/2017 12:42:20 - INFO - No loader in the bundle. Searching for one
08/042/2017 12:42:34 - INFO - No matching loader found
08/042/2017 12:42:34 - WARN - No loader found or set manually. Skipping loader
08/042/2017 12:42:34 - INFO - Ending flash session
08/042/2017 12:42:34 - ERROR - null
08/042/2017 12:42:34 - ERROR - Error flashing. Aborted
08/042/2017 12:42:35 - INFO - Device connected in flash mode

:confused:

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

That's weird :/

I think the ftf I linked may not be the correct one :(

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Alright, will try to find another .ftf-file.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

After lurking here for several years I finally decided to make an account so I could reply to this. So, hi everyone!

Anyway, I had the same problem when flashing the linked .ftf, but the problem turned out to be that I had not enabled third party software on the phone (Settings → Lock screen & security → Unknown sources). Also make sure you are running the latest flashtool, 0.9.23.2.

Hope this helps you or anyone else with the same problem!

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Yes they do if you have readed this thrad you have seen that they wipe the DRM keys for camera and so on when you unlock the bootloader. There are some "work arounds" but still Sony is not as open that one may think...

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Also you can't be sure you can use same SFOS rom image as european (you can't be sure it boots). At least XZs does have different android ROM version depending on where device is bought I guess... So I would not be surprised if it is similar with X. Not sure if it is different binary blobs or something else. XDA forum may have some more info I guess.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Just use xperifirm program

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Xperifirm only seems to have the latest images. Any idea how to get older image (marhsmallow) for dual sim (F5122) xperia x ??

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

@mariusmss, maybe from http://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?showt...0#entry5322477

good luck :-)

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Look at “storefront” version it’s an older version from release date.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Hi mariusmssj,

Look at bottom right on the following picture :

http://bigbob.fun.free.fr/TMO/Captur...2008-46-53.png

On my side, I have used the « Commercial and Journalists » version, but after reading kilometers of threads everywhere, it look like you can choose any « Internal » Market to do the downgrade.

Hope it help ...

Regards,

COLIN Stéphane

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Half of the thread is about backup DRM keys, reason why is lost somewhere.
I won't buy an Xperia X to run Android on, so I guess I can just drop this step.

Sony must remember that they are just another Android phone supplier of 13 in a dozen that momentarily just happens to have 1 device to run Salifish on and it was Android I am after in that price category, I would buy a Xiamo Mi5 or something similar that doesn't feature this DRM nonsense.

Now just waiting for a couple of reports about working modems in F5122 dual SIM / 64GB devices.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

People may want to sell their device later. so it is normal to backup necessary things.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

If I wanted to sell my Xperia X I would leave SailfishOS on. Would sell for more I guess :)

In general most people would not notice any difference if there would be AOSP installed without the DRM stuff.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

The warning at bootup will be there though and ota won't work.

The sailfish-x license is also bound to your account, not device so you'd probably have to sell both your phone and account.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

I am not sure about that. I do not believe enough people even know about Sailfish.

Really? I managed to completely miss that point. That is quite a serious drawback.

I have been seriously considering an X Compact (you can get vanilla X cheaper but boy are they huge!) and even have a few earmarked on eBay even though I am not exactly in the position to spend on frivolities, but this Microsoftish behaviour (you "rent" software, not buy it) is a very serious argument for saving my money.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

So much complaining here so I would share my thoughts. My biggest concern is that sailfish is connected to the refund. Now the good part is that could easily be solved without HW mods or SW update.

Why you guys always note some tiny issue. Look at the opportunity instead!

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Look who's talking.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Do you use Aliendalvik, exchange etc.? If not, you could just use the community port.

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Sorry, I don't get your point here. Since Jolla decided to sell SFOS X individually, they need to somehow keep track of who bought a licence and who don't. The easiest way for this is obviously by using the Jolla Account which you probably already use to access the Jolla store.

I agree with you that such restrictions are a negative thing, but I don't see any better way to handle the verification thing. Tying the licence to a specific model would be even worst in my opinion, since this means a lot of effort if you need to replace your phone. Furthermore, it probably means some kind of online activation (which truly would be a microsoft thing) and maybe even regular license checks.

So, how is the solution to bind the license to your Jolla account a "microsoftish rent your software" thing?
What solution would you suggest to Jolla?

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Did Jolla mention exact time the public sales/download starts on 11th? And which time-zone? (Assume it's Helsinki +5 ?)

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

I don't think it was that, more the fact that they said they would support the xperia x for a set amount of time and then re-evaluate.

IMO that's reasonable since you're not paying again and again for the same thing, you're (possibly) paying in the future for security fixes etc.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

This is also how corporate software subscriptions work. The idea is that software development is ongoing process (new features & security fixes) and that there are related costs you have to pay as well (support people, QA, infrastructure, etc.).

So it makes perfect sense to make also the licensing/subscription an ongoing process, to better reflect that & sustain the development and fund the related related costs. There is also the motivation factor for the company - the customers might not renew their subscriptions if they are not happy. So you do what you can to keep them happy & subscribed (new feature and RFE implementation, prompt bugfixing, fast handling of security issues, responsive support, robust infrastructure, etc.).

There are also some specific mobile device relevant aspect of subscriptions - it might help to finally fix the issue with manufacturers dropping support early for perfectly functional hardware. They normally get all/most of the money when you buy the device and don't really have any monetary incentive to keep supporting the device once it has been sold - they want you to buy a newer model so they will again get your money. An not releasing updates (AKA planed obsolescence) can only help with that.

Now consider the subscription model - you get money from users as long as they run yous OS, regardless of the hardware. So you don't really have any incentive to stop supporting devices as long as enough people who have them are paying. This might help breaking the current vicious circle of planed obsolescence.

Also, even though people might not really notice it, they are actually already paying a subscription for mobile OS. It's just they they are paying with their privacy and private data, instead of money. That's another area where subscription might help - you will just pay them upfront and they will not have an incentive to sell your privacy to the highest bidder, as that might make you drop your subscription.

I can see people asking why they should pay for OS if it they are normally getting it for free. But it' not actually free, they are just paying with they privacy & the need to regularly pay for a new device as the one (perfectly working one) they have is no longer supported and updated.

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Actually, jenix was right. I am OK with limited time support. What I do not like is that I do not own the license and cannot pass it on as I please..

I see no difference between software and any other product. Bread, a brick, a car or, perhaps the best analogy, a book. Once I buy a book, I can do whatever I damn please with it. I can keep it on the shelf and never open it. I can read it every day. I can sell it or give it away if I no longer like it. And finally, I can lend it to a friend. If I do, then I can no longer read it until I get it back.

Software used to be like that too. That is, until Microsoft came along and changed all that. Now you no longer buy software, you buy "the right" to use it.

No, they don't. J K Rowling does not need to keep track of who bought her book. It is not something Jolla needs to do, it is something they want to do.

There are a million ways of how to provide software anonymously, yet provide updates and guarantee that it is at least difficult, if not impossible to copy. Software companies have sorted that out decades ago. Each copy could come with a unique identifier and an activation code. They can still track each installation to their heart content but the crucial point is, it does not have to be linked to you, the user.

I do not need AD and I would never allow my Jolla spoiled with Android. But, sadly, I need Exchange for work. I would be perfectly happy to pay for the license.