Re: Microsoft buying Nokia's devices & services
 

Very unlikely IMO, smartphones have become far too commoditized*, every ODM (even Samsung) is struggling to turn a decent profit, only Apple's still doing kinda okay. Plus, everything Nokia has said/done to date suggests they're not interested. They may get back into some form of consumer electronics, but they'll try to break new ground, not plant in exhausted soil.** Much of their business going forward seems to be in the IP licensing game, low level (high costs) research, then licensing out those findings. That's their advanced materials division (can't recall latest name OTTOMH), they still have HERE & NSN of course.

Plus, some users seem to have short memories, or they didn't follow the entire Nokia + Maemo/MeeGo saga from the earliest days. Nokia's one of the last co's I'd want heavily involved with Jolla/MeR/Nemo/Sailfish. There's many rising Asian/Other ODM's (mostly Chinese -but not exclusively) currently riding the Android wave, who I'd much rather see embrace MeR/Nemo/Sailfish before Nokia. Of course, Jolla should go with Nokia*** if they're unsuccessful in wooing other ODM's & Nokia's one of the last options, after all, beggars can't be choosers. ;-)

*not-to-mention insanely competitive, at least on the hw side
**and already there's been (very vague) hints at what they might do
***assuming Nokia's ever interested, which I highly doubt

Re: Microsoft buying Nokia's devices & services
 

maybe this has already been posted around here, but i saw a news flash a week or two ago that m$KIA was going to emulate Jolla's Alien Dalvik technology in a (desperate) attempt to sell Lumia crap ¦-)))))
could explain the killing of X
and knowing Flop's business acumen, the only thing that matters is Lumia crap
btw, saw the zero theorem the other night... the only mobile one can see is... a NOKIA Lumia :eek: :cool: :rolleyes:
so, in an utopian consumerist future, NOKIA (still) exists ¦-))))))))))))))))

ps: but because nobody wants the crap, only an elusive / exclusive elite has such devices :D :rolleyes:

Re: Microsoft buying Nokia's devices & services
 

Nope, that was already confirmed as mere FUD by evleaks & similar rumour merchants, what they'll do is stick with their universal apps program, which won't be (mostly) realised until ~Win 9 & WP 9, but is already well advanced. The closest they'll get to an ACL, is perhaps reverse engineering GFS (google framework services) & integrating that into WP, extremely unlikely they'll touch an ACL with a 10ft pole, makes sense for much smaller entities like Sailfish(Jolla), not MS & their pre-existing plans.

Re: Microsoft buying Nokia's devices & services
 

well, that leave us w/ Flop's acumen then ¦-)))))
btw m0%%0n is getting divorced - apparently the many hotel nights in Helsinki (while his family stayed in the North-West) had some consequences @ home too >¦-)
whichever way

Re: Microsoft buying Nokia's devices & services
 

Ask Joe Belfiore himself, ask if MS would use a dalvik compatibility layer any time soon...

It seems very unlikely MS would be tempted to do that given:
(1) The axing of Nokia AOSP (w/MS services integrated)
(2) The plans for Win/RT/WP that pre-date these ACL/AOSP rumours that aren't yet fully executed (sounds very Nokia-esque! ;-P)

Maybe when (if) they're in a much direr position & their fully executed plans clearly aren't helping, but not now.
AOSP for the top-end (w. integrated MS/Other services) is a possibility, maybe a limited set of devices there, but still unlikely.

Re: Microsoft buying Nokia's devices & services
 

well, they are in much direr position every passing quarter / reporting period, losing market like sand spilling out of a net.
S40 may have been NOKIA's golden egg lying milk swine for ages but thanks to (!) Flops back stabbing burning platform hara-kiri that's not so any more >¦-))))))
thus losing money on their "future" and not getting much (if any) money in w/ traditional products, one has to make choices, right?
still the wrong choice of course :D :eek: :rolleyes:
in fact, the only way m@ke$$h!t gets $$$$$$s in from the mobile market is thru their patent trolling on Android ¦-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
not much of an achievement for Flop, now, is it?
EDIT: well, as a matter of fact, getting the NOKIA patents was one of its achievements indeed, thus, yes, maybe the patent trolling on Android can keep m$KIA afloat somewhat longer...

Re: Microsoft buying Nokia's devices & services
 

possibly the only reason why they haven't written off the NOKIA division (& its m0%%0nic mgr with it) yet is because last time the m$ big boss made such a write off (Surface, nearly a billion) he got handed his resignation, thus his successor decided to keep throwing good money after bad one, though less.

Re: Microsoft buying Nokia's devices & services
 

MS was still posting record profits until relatively recently, IIRC that only dipped for the 1st time very recently, regardless, they're still a long way off being in dire straits. S40's gone because they want to push WP down there too (or possibly Android LT), it was no longer competitive like it used to be, S30's still competitive so it remains, for now. N.B. Elop had nothing to do with them now being able to (partially) monetise Android. The new MM (formerly Nokia D&S's) division won't be going anywhere soon, it's one that MUST work for them LT or it's curtains*. Also, not sure what you're talking about WRT Surface division, it most def. wasn't canned. The SP3's in fact a very nice device, by the time the SP4 hits they really will have nailed it. Already the SP3's compelling, much harder sell to users already heavily into Android tablet + Win UP & esp. iPad + MBA/UP, but for folks who aren't using both FF's, or aren't using Android/iOS (there's still many), it's a compelling offering.

That had nothing to do with helping them to monetise Android, that was to help them mostly in the area of radio tech/signalling etc.
IIRC Nokia kept most of that portfolio & are free to license it to others, but as part of the purchase of D&S's MS is allowed to use it w.o. licensing fees.
I could be wrong about the above sentence though, my memory's hazy now...


*Unless they successfully shift into business only, but really, one can't do one or the other, one must do both well now if one wants to remain a BIG player.
There's companies that "fly in the face" of that, but I have my (perhaps unfounded) doubts over their LT prospects...

Re: Microsoft buying Nokia's devices & services
 

yes, as long as companies will keep using LostDOS (aka windooooz) their "business model" is safe
but how long will that be?
& it doesn't mean they'll keep throwing good money after bad one forever into their mobile adventure.
just like NOKIA kept financing Maemo w/ their fat margins on Symbian.
again, and perversely, Flop killed NOKIA's golden egg lying milk giving swine; wouldn't he be glad now to have only one of those golden eggs?

Re: Microsoft buying Nokia's devices & services
 

Bllamer forced out after $900M Surface RT debacle maybe?

fan boy, are we?