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automagic68 2012-06-01 14:55

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Right now I just want to increase the volume of my shares, I'm not really focusing on what the current price is. I feel it's a win-win if the price drops I can get more shares with my money, yet if the price goes up my investment increases in value,

stickymick 2012-06-01 20:06

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Originally Posted by Dared (Post 1215750)
Google suing Nokia? Very interesting

http://www.washingtonpost.com/busine...S5U_story.html

If Google's complaint is upheld, could this help spell the end of Eflop-a-Lot's career at Nokia?
I'm pretty sure all Nokia's patents wouldn't have been sold to the trolls if he hadn't gate-crashed the party and left the door open for Monkeyboy Ballmer to follow him in.

SamGan 2012-06-02 00:37

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Originally Posted by automagic68 (Post 1215995)
Right now I just want to increase the volume of my shares, I'm not really focusing on what the current price is. I feel it's a win-win if the price drops I can get more shares with my money, yet if the price goes up my investment increases in value,

If you want to increase your NOK shares wait until Q2 results come out in July and you can probably buy them much cheaper.

Estel 2012-06-02 01:00

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We already had thread like that, even with - almost - same title. do we *really* need another one?

abill_uk 2012-06-02 03:11

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Nokia is finished it is only a matter of time before they become obsolete, everything since the N900 is pure dated shite because they dont and never will listen to the world, instead they are doomed to fail by the plant of Elop and his wonderful Windows flop.

Time to move on and at least look at what is being manufactured these days by the rest, i honestly think all the hardened members who swear by Nokia on here are not only brain dead but have obviously refused to look outside of Nokia.

SamGan 2012-06-02 05:28

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Actually we are talking about Nokia stock. The point I want to make is that it's not going to see $10 or $20 ever again because Nokia is no longer the company it once was. The new Nokia will not be able to develop new products and will be a bit player in the mobile phone industry with market share in the low single digit if it can survive. The stock market usually precedes the real world so Nokia's current share price of $2 - $3 is fair.

Dave999 2012-06-02 05:56

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Still possible for nokia stock to come back to $20. Have you heard of a company called apple? If so look at its history. Or even better, if you can look in the future? The stocks that we call success stories today like Apple, Google or Microsoft will eventually face serious stock crises. You know mobile phones and tabs is not the last new thing? One great new idea an your company can rise as Google and force the current giants to adapt or shrink... Why not a teleporter? ;)

Dave999 2012-06-02 06:04

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Originally Posted by SamGan (Post 1215992)
That won't apply to the new Nokia which has cut off all its development capabilities and in future will just play the role of OEM manufacturer for Microsoft.

Why not? One great researcher can change the course of Nokia stock. It's even more fun you guys saying that, assuming up working in technology business. You should now how fast it changes.

danramos 2012-06-02 07:24

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Originally Posted by stickymick (Post 1216123)
If Google's complaint is upheld, could this help spell the end of Eflop-a-Lot's career at Nokia?
I'm pretty sure all Nokia's patents wouldn't have been sold to the trolls if he hadn't gate-crashed the party and left the door open for Monkeyboy Ballmer to follow him in.

http://dazzwireless.com/wp-content/p...-story-top.jpg
Elop: "What was that? Google's reported us to the governing bodies for collusion?"

http://www.n-tv.de/img/35/3545201/O_...80_RTXXQ6T.jpg
Elop: "Trust us! We would never do that! Microsoft's success has never been based on such flagrant violations of ethics!"
Balmer: [thinking, "WTF??"]

mikecomputing 2012-06-02 08:17

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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1215873)
My favorite line: "Microsoft Corp. brushed off Google’s accusations as the 'desperate tactic' of a company facing regulatory questions about its dominance..." If there's one company that knows ALLLL about 'desperate tacticts' of a near-monopoly, it's probably Microsoft, right? OH GOD! The irony! It HURTS SO MUCH! :)

Agree for once. Microsoft are so desperate they have to fight freedom and Linux and now feed hardware companys to make sure they close down bootloader etc...

http://www.geek.com/articles/news/re...8-pcs-2012061/

Ironi is now Linux companys feed Microsoft to let them install Linux :(

That makes me wonder if we in the end has no choice. Microsoft OR Google for me that is bad too :( Give me freedom back!

danramos 2012-06-02 08:28

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Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1216309)
Agree for once. Microsoft are so desperate they have to fight freedom and Linux and now feed hardware companys to make sure they close down bootloader etc...

http://www.geek.com/articles/news/re...8-pcs-2012061/

Ironi is now Linux companys feed Microsoft to let them install Linux :(

That makes me wonder if we in the end has no choice. Microsoft OR Google for me that is bad too :( Give me freedom back!

Oh I know.. I heard about this. It's a trend to try to lock down hardware in such a way as to make them not meet that "general computing" standard that would otherwise demand an open platform that you can install your own operating system or even software onto. I don't understand why the US government doesn't crack down more on these abuses. The US Constitution clearly lays out the INTENTS for copyrights and patents as "To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts." If the INTENT is spelled out, why would you allow copyrights and patents to be abused, particularly when the evidence clearly shows such abuse working AGAINST said intents? What the f***??

dietyyli 2012-06-02 10:22

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Originally Posted by SamGan (Post 1215338)
and according to rumours shelving Meltemi

Where did you hear that rumour?

stickymick 2012-06-02 19:54

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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1216312)
Oh I know.. I heard about this. It's a trend to try to lock down hardware in such a way as to make them not meet that "general computing" standard that would otherwise demand an open platform that you can install your own operating system or even software onto.

Haven't some manufacturers of PCs already tried that? Dell for one prime example used to have custom bios's for things like video cards, sound cards etc. If you wanted an upgrade you couldn't go out and buy a generic nVidia card because it wouldn't work. Instead you had to send the PC back to Dell so they could charge £/$300 for a £/$100 upgrade. The drivers were different too, so you had to go to Dell to get them (still happens a lot today). They realised how much that was hurting them once they acqired Alien Ware. Things are a little more relaxed now, I believe.
I think that's where the mobile market is heading. The tweaker geek has always been a breed apart and not as well catered for by manufacturers, they're more interested in the "I just wanna take it out of the box, switch it on and use it" brigade who are not interested in what goes on behind the screen.

specc 2012-06-03 10:13

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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1216312)
If the INTENT is spelled out, why would you allow copyrights and parents to be abused, particularly when the evidence clearly shows such abuse working AGAINST said intents? What the f***??

LOL :D :D :D That's the most hilarious spelling mistake I have ever seen on TMO - ever!!! :D ha ha and ho ho and he he and [insert the entire official danramos-spelling-mistake-rant her]

danramos 2012-06-03 10:24

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Originally Posted by stickymick (Post 1216535)
Haven't some manufacturers of PCs already tried that? Dell for one prime example used to have custom bios's for things like video cards, sound cards etc. If you wanted an upgrade you couldn't go out and buy a generic nVidia card because it wouldn't work. Instead you had to send the PC back to Dell so they could charge £/$300 for a £/$100 upgrade. The drivers were different too, so you had to go to Dell to get them (still happens a lot today). They realised how much that was hurting them once they acqired Alien Ware. Things are a little more relaxed now, I believe.
I think that's where the mobile market is heading. The tweaker geek has always been a breed apart and not as well catered for by manufacturers, they're more interested in the "I just wanna take it out of the box, switch it on and use it" brigade who are not interested in what goes on behind the screen.

Never stops them from trying again and again, especially when Microsoft is complicit this time around much like they were with ACPI. Remember when it used to be, sometimes still is, almost impossible to get Linux to work well with hardware just because ACPI was interfering with the kernel working with the hardware? Get ready for Microsoft's new Windows 8 support for EFI and allll the new hardware that suddenly won't work with anything but Windows 8. :P

danramos 2012-06-03 12:58

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Originally Posted by specc (Post 1216719)
LOL :D :D :D That's the most hilarious spelling mistake I have ever seen on TMO - ever!!! :D ha ha and ho ho and he he and [insert the entire official danramos-spelling-mistake-rant her]

I think you meant it's the funniest TYPO mistakes... near as I can tell, 'parents' is spelled correctly as a valid word, just not the word I meant to use (hence a spell-checker was useless to correct it in context). I've since corrected the mistake for anybody who intends to read the posting and understand the material, though. The most hilarious? You need to read around more. :)

gerbick 2012-06-03 16:59

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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1216793)
...

http://gerbick.com/images/beat-parents.jpg

So... we're abusing parents now?

danramos 2012-06-04 03:40

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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1216874)
http://gerbick.com/images/beat-parents.jpg

So... we're abusing parents now?

Heheh.. that look! Oh my God... that look!! Why does it burn?! o.o

SamGan 2012-06-05 02:06

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Originally Posted by Chuck Norris (Post 1216254)
Still possible for nokia stock to come back to $20. Have you heard of a company called apple? If so look at its history. Or even better, if you can look in the future? The stocks that we call success stories today like Apple, Google or Microsoft will eventually face serious stock crises. You know mobile phones and tabs is not the last new thing? One great new idea an your company can rise as Google and force the current giants to adapt or shrink... Why not a teleporter? ;)

For every success story of a company which has pulled back from the brink there are others who have died. Have you heard of Kodak?

Apple was pushed to the brink when the Board appointed Gil Amelio to take over from John Sculley. He was an unmitigated disaster. If the Board hadn't corrected their blunder by sacking Amelio and bringing back Steve Jobs there would be no Apple now.

Nokia is now on a death spiral with Elop. His WP only strategy is a sure path to the grave. The latest comScore report show that Lumia 900 has failed to gain traction in U.S. Microsoft's U.S. share actually shrank another 0.4%. up to April '12. Lumia has also failed to gain traction in India and China (no it did NOT overtake iphone, its sales share is a rounding figure of iphone's) and Western Europe is lukewarm at best.

It may be possible for Nokia to turnaround but not with Elop. Even with Elop out survival is not guaranteed as this man has extensively damaged Nokia's intellectual infrastructure. Unfortunately there is no "Steve Jobs" to save Nokia.

If you are a risk taker you can buy Nokia stocks now and hope for a rally if, and only if Elop is sacked. This is not guaranteed to happen and the Board is likely to keep on buying Elop's line that Nokia is "in transition".

ibrakalifa 2012-06-05 02:19

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Have you ever heard of siemens? :/

automagic68 2012-06-05 04:03

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Some people are so blinded by their hate for Microsoft and Elop that they don't see Nokia succeeding with Lumia. Lumia's haven't even been out for a year. The first Androids and iPhones weren't successes. It wasn't until they both received successors that they started to built their market share and placed their stake in the smartphone market.

gerbick 2012-06-05 04:48

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Originally Posted by automagic68 (Post 1217636)
Some people are so blinded by their hate for Microsoft and Elop that they don't see Nokia succeeding with Lumia. Lumia's haven't even been out for a year. The first Androids and iPhones weren't successes. It wasn't until they both received successors that they started to built their market share and placed their stake in the smartphone market.

Didn't WP7 lose 0.4% in the US last quarter? I wouldn't call the first iPhone a failure - 6.1 million in 5 quarters. The original 1.5 Android phones didn't really get traction until the 2.x days - Eclair I would say.

I get what you're saying; but until we start hearing that the Nokia WP7 phones are selling in Samsung SGS3 levels - 28 million since pre-sales, I'd have to say that their sales are on the lower end of the spectrum.

SamGan 2012-06-06 06:29

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Look at this. This is hilarious!
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...26#post1218226

SamGan 2012-06-06 14:40

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Pain Unites Nokia and Green Mountain Coffee Roasters Shareholders

edited extract:

For a company to survive, its products have to sell. For small cap investors, this is an advantage over Wall Street. Legendary investor Peter Lynch pointed out how consumers could see what was selling at the mall and then base investment decisions on that field research.

The same is now true with Nokia products. The recent launch of the Lumia 900 was a debacle; and the share price has plunged. Apple has soared after the iPhone4S hit the market. It will likely do so with the iPhone5 debuts later this fall. When Starbucks introduced its own single cup coffee machine, the Verismo, the share price of Green Mountain Coffee Roaster fell like a cup of java off the side of a table.

Ford Motors came back. Some are expecting that for Green Mountain Coffee Roasters. It is difficult to imagine that for Nokia Corporation.

Lumiaman 2012-06-06 18:50

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Just bought more stock. Its a great buy

SamGan 2012-06-07 12:16

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Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1218547)
Just bought more stock. Its a great buy

A fool and his money are soon parted.

Lumiaman 2012-06-07 22:08

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Originally Posted by SamGan (Post 1218902)
A fool and his money are soon parted.

Its only money pal.

devaler 2012-06-07 22:36

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Well, it's been a long time, but I have to say that I think Nokia stock is a total bargain right now. I don't think it's hit bottom yet, but it is close, and the opportunity to make some cash is there.

MINKIN2 2012-06-08 17:40

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Nokia shares up at the end of trading day on friday

Shares of Nokia (NYSE: NOK), the onetime king of mobile phones, rose more than 7 percent Friday on speculation Samsung Electronics (Seoul: 5930), the current leader, might be eyeing a takeover.

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/3502...ne-android.htm


I'm almost wanting this take over to be true... Just Imagine, Samsung specs, Nokia hardware, Tizen phones and Flop out of the door....

Just to clarify, I did say "almost".

Cue 2012-06-08 18:01

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Originally Posted by MINKIN2 (Post 1219573)
Nokia shares up at the end of trading day on friday

Shares of Nokia (NYSE: NOK), the onetime king of mobile phones, rose more than 7 percent Friday on speculation Samsung Electronics (Seoul: 5930), the current leader, might be eyeing a takeover.

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/3502...ne-android.htm


I'm almost wanting this take over to be true... Just Imagine, Samsung specs, Nokia hardware, Tizen phones and Flop out of the door....

Just to clarify, I did say "almost".

market cap of 11Billion. If you were Samsung would you buy Nokia ?

gerbick 2012-06-08 18:54

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Originally Posted by Cue (Post 1219582)
If you were Samsung would you buy Nokia ?

There's no need. It would be like Sony buying Ericsson.

Dave999 2012-06-08 21:04

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My nokia will skyrocketing when Elop is fired. can't wait the stock will give me value either by a fired Elop or a hostile take over, maybe both if I'm lucky.

And if not, I have to be in the game for the long run and wait until windows phone and tabs rules the world:D

Cue 2012-06-08 23:08

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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1219598)
There's no need. It would be like Sony buying Ericsson.

I'm confused, please elaborate. Didn't something along those lines already happen?

gerbick 2012-06-09 00:57

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Originally Posted by Cue (Post 1219688)
I'm confused, please elaborate. Didn't something along those lines already happen?

Yep. And noting great came of that. Massive losses for Sony. Much in the same way that it would be massive amounts of losses for Samsung if they buy Nokia.

danramos 2012-06-09 01:02

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Originally Posted by automagic68 (Post 1217636)
Some people are so blinded by their hate for Microsoft and Elop that they don't see Nokia succeeding with Lumia. Lumia's haven't even been out for a year. The first Androids and iPhones weren't successes. It wasn't until they both received successors that they started to built their market share and placed their stake in the smartphone market.

Here.. let me add some more context and facts.
Some people are so blinded by their faith for the Nokia brand that they don't see Nokia's failure with Lumia--even in the face of numbers and trends showing for it. Windows Phone 7 has been out for well more than the one year we were all asked to wait before judging its success. The first Androids and iPhones were FAR more successful at this point. It was even in their FIRST iteration that they both had built their market share beyond where Windows Phone even stands today, well OVER A YEAR LATER, and placed their stake in the smartphone market.

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Originally Posted by devaler (Post 1219181)
Well, it's been a long time, but I have to say that I think Nokia stock is a total bargain right now. I don't think it's hit bottom yet, but it is close, and the opportunity to make some cash is there.

Wasn't it "a great bargain" just recently? And every month lately? How long can something be "a great bargain" until you realize that what you're saying is that it's LOSING VALUE?

somedude 2012-06-09 05:33

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What the H ell is that ex-Nokia dude tailing about +6% rise in Helsinki in Nokia stock? I missed anything>?

Lumiaman 2012-06-10 02:25

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The stock is a great bargain. Nokia is worth way more than useless Facebook

gerbick 2012-06-10 05:59

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Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1220075)
The stock is a great bargain. Nokia is worth way more than useless Facebook

Dude, you're becoming way obvious now.

Time for a new schtick.

danramos 2012-06-10 12:53

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Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1220075)
The stock is a great bargain. Nokia is worth way more than useless Facebook

Not that I'm able to give out investment advice (and neither are you, I assume) but I'm pretty sure there are more active users on Facebook than there are users using Nokia's Lumia devices. I'd say Facebook has a LOT more opportunity for profit than Nokia, too.

mikecomputing 2012-06-10 13:06

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Originally Posted by Chuck Norris (Post 1219650)
My nokia will skyrocketing when Elop is fired. can't wait the stock will give me value either by a fired Elop or a hostile take over, maybe both if I'm lucky.

And if not, I have to be in the game for the long run and wait until windows phone and tabs rules the world:D

no Way Elop gets fired. Its to late for that to happen. he has already damaged the company to much to change.


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