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Waiting...

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

...just thought of texting, primarly. At least _i_ prefer to rely on my knowledge of grammar, and type everything without prediction (or Swype) or, *gasp* that unholy mess that is auto-correction. Result: i think i'm quite literate in at least two languages. Many others aren't. For good examples just look in the WhatsApp/N9 threads :D

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I have to text in English and German. That's a plus for switching out my keyboard on the N9, but impossible for a hardware keyboard - I just switch profiles and all of my umlaut vowels are still a key combination away via bluetooth.

Again. We're actually not in disagreement. I think we just have a different manner to accomplish the same input of coherent communication and tasks in whichever language we speak via these devices.

I cannot go into the whole lack of grammar and spelling I've seen in that Wazapp thread. Couldn't make heads or tails of some of the posts in there.

I r nt smurt enuff i gwess

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I still doubt on hwkbd.... Remember main country still is china... And btw it cost more with hwkbd cause of different countrys different layout etc...

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Simple, a transparent keyboard with little screens below the keys, so that this will not be a problem :)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

e-ink hardware keyboard, with a ctrl key! I'd buy that! (But I'll make do without hwkb)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Wow, you got a point. A slide-out keyboard without any labels and below it a touchscreen, a resistive one would be best I think as it's much more accurate and pushing the keys would just touch the touchscreen. Add to the price another 100$ and another 50$ for a huge battery. Although battery doesn't necessarily have to be a problem because the screen can a two color one, just like in old nokias. But that won't happen, it would probably look like crap.
Edit. E-Ink would be even better!
+I wish Jolla could cooperate with Nokia in a way that Nokia let's Jolla use patents for ex. Pureview technology without the name pureview obiously, 60Hz and super sensitive screen, clearblack and all goodies that Nokia has in it's sleeves in exchange for a lot of Jollas shares. I mean around 40% would be ok I think. This way if Jolla fails Nokia losses nothing and if succeses Nokia gains a lot of money. It would make not only Jolla and Nokia happy, I bet we would all be over the moon with a Jolla phone which in fact would be a Nokia but way better with Jollas OS.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I wouldn't trust any shares to Nokia if I were them. Nokia made their choice and interests very clear.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Having a keyboard doesn't mean it has to be a brick. The N810 was slimmer 5 years ago, and these days there are things like the Droid 4 with full QWERTY at about the same thickness as an N9.

But if you're gonna carry all that, you might as well take a netbook instead.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

phone, back pocket or packed up.
tablet, other back pocket or packed up.
logitech bluetooth keyboard, packed up and pulled out when I need it *wow! I didn't pay that much for it!
mac book pro retina display w/ win7, winxp, ubuntu, haiku & fedora virtual machines, packed up.

my bag? adobe medium bag while traveling...

when not traveling... phone in back pocket. tablet, other back pocket. both hands free, can carry keyboard if I so choose.

And I hate netbooks. No power for what I need. And when I'm on-site, a tablet in my back pocket or blazer inner-pocket is just what I need. And no... the N900 didn't offer me what I needed. Soon I'm going in the other direction... a tablet, a dumb phone, and a laptop nearby for mo' power.

That's my workflow. Yours is different.

At home... none of that. Phone is somewhere. Tablet is in hand. I'm texting via Google Voice - even when in Jamaica or Germany.

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A keyboard will make the Jolla mobile unique in a world dominated by Samsung and apples thinner-is-better-world.

I want to see something else. A small company with the power to try some new and maybe, just maybe get someone of the big elephants to join, follow or take over jolla for their product is so different.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

(...having also daily to type in both English & German, i solved this easily.

A custom keyboard layout created by MS Keyboard Layout Creator (AltGr+vocal chars prints their respective umlauts, amongst other uses) under Win7, and xmodmap under Linux, where mapping key chars using modifiers results in the same behavior.

Flexible enough. Sadly, not that easy to do on most soft keyboards. Anyway, let's stop here; i get your point.)

This was _the_ original concept for a non-labeled, but switchable-layout keyboard:
http://store.artlebedev.com/electronics/optimus/

I dunno if it ever was really available besides prototypes; at least the 3-key version was. The price 5 years ago was IIRC 1200€, so...
I still dream of having a mechanical keyboard (preferably using Cherry MX blue-stem switches), and keycaps w/ small OLED displays that show the mapped key codes/combinations.

EDIT:
Ther _is_ a purchasable smaller version, for your tablet etc. needs:
http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/popularis/

To quote one of my favorite comedy shows (Sataan): "Only $500, Mister".... Nope, it's still $1086 :(

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I don't know.... For me, the whole point of a HW keyboard is to feel the keys while typing. What would be the difference between an onscreen keyboard and an additional e-ink one?

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Read or heard somewhere that Jolla should do something fun with the community. What could that be community device program?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

They're talking about optimus-style keyboards, with moving keys, where each one is its own display so the "keycaps" can change dynamically. Interesting concept, but too expensive and gimmicky IMHO.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

why everyone is talking about this website? I've never been able to display it...

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

The site is already been "bought" but its just empty.

Check this:
http://whois.domaintools.com/jolla.com

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

The first one that finds a working www.jolla.com created by jolla Ltd should be rewrded with a brand new jolla device. (At least that would be the case if was Head of Community devices at jolla). But I'm not so we will see what is happening, the winner might end up without a device :D

Anyway, Let the game begin!

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I wonder what Google do if jolla realise a great alc layer. Do they have to approve or do they even have to aprove? I mean you can run your software where everyou like. Will be intressting. Still skeptical to this layer. Must be some down sides otherwise that should have been in used already.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

did I get lost in the jolla sheep thread? will we start saying jPhone, jPad, and jDOn't.

Where is that product?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

You know same old. Well it should be announced as they said at the end of the year

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

It was announced right behind the Windows Phone 7.5/7.8 to Windows Phone 8 update.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

...even if they like to impersonate as cattle here, don't try to feed Davie and Lumy.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Where is the Jesus phone Jolla! The real Jesus phone boys and girls. The energy they expanded in tweeting, they could have produced thousands by now

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I just still can't get you Lumiaman. What the heck are you doing on a Maemo/Meego forum? You won't convince us to use WP7.5/7.8/8/8.5/8.8/9 etc. And from what I can see, we can't convice use to use Maemo/Meego. Again, what are you doing here?

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I am using N900 bud. The best phone ever! Except, the Jolla boys and girls screwed it up with N9. They couldnt evolve. Lets see if they learned their lesson to produce the Jolla Jesus phone!!!

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

He used iOS 6 Maps.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Lumiaman let me tell you one thing; I was debating with you sensibly and understand at times where you're coming from...I was even ready to accept that your N9s were screwed hence you were complaining about them...

Guess what? Yesterday Arie contacted me about a few of his N9s having problems (yes all 3 which he bought from you)...AND the best part of this is that ALL 3 of them had hardware issues...The worst was the White n9; it was missing 4GB space in the emmc partition...WTF did you do to make it lose 4GB? Then on second thought it must not be you but something else like a fraudulent seller...

Anyway we spent ~2 hours to fix all 3 of them...The hardware issue all 3 had was missing various amounts of partition space...This was causing the n9 to act very weird...Once we got them fixed they have been running very well especially since one of them is a Finnish one with excellent build quality...

So really you've been screwed 3x by whatever it is to give you a lousy experience...If you debate sensibly I would reply because I understand your concerns but when you bait its pretty irritating...

http://db.tt/q6EgNY42
This is the White N9 missing 4GB before we fixed it; it should be 57.6GB...

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Wow, so much attention for lumiaignore and Dave99fishfordisagreement posts and you don't even pay one ounce of attention to the post I just made about the government (patent office) making a new website where you can play jeopardy to try to show that Apple scam artist claims and all of the other patent trolls being churned out by Microhard are invalid, instead what is most important to you is hanging on every little word of some person named lumia* and Davetrollfordisagreement.

Hey people, guess what you might be able to break through to the US patent office people and get them to realize they are super incompetent and are fishing for you to do their legal work for them and so are enabling patent trolls.
That's kinda more important than anti N9 person X and fishing for disagreements99.

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Installing Nemo will repartition the EMMC of the device, so it was possibly that. Did you actually try to mount the "missing" space and see what was there?

EDIT: If it was Nemo, then joke's on you for spending 2+ hours fixing it because you can easily uninstall Nemo and get that space back

EDIT2: Also re: that screenshot: why is the filesystem exFat? Do 64GB N9's format the emmc with exfat?

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He didn't install Nemo on it :) I know how it works :D

It had an unallocated space...A clean format with Fat32 4096byte clusters fixed it up...


Edit: 2+ hours to fix 3 different N9s not just this one single N9...I clearly stated this...


Edit2: No I had told Arie at first to do a format...He mistakenly did a exFat format due to which can't access user data message popped up..I told him to send me the screen [which I uploaded above] saw the error and told him to do a Fat32 and it got fixed...

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Oh, and where is the "mighty" Lumia 920 and 820? Can we queue up to buy it? :eek:

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Thanks for the replies. So *did* you guys try to mount the extra space or was it completely unpartitioned? And how did you know it wasn't Nemo? Sounds like a Nemo install to me...

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

It was totally unpartitioned...If it was Nemo two things would be required; an dual-boot (open mode) kernel + an ext partition...Both were missing in this case...

Also I'm not sure about as it is now but a few months back when I was starting off, I installed Nemo on my device and wanted to re-flash my device it had the error of the partition table not matching...I had started a thread here to solve it...

This device on the other hand was able to do a rootfs flash without any issues...


I think Arie did try mounting it on Ubuntu that's why we found it wasn't a ext2 partition...I'll check with him this later too...We did this last night at 1+am here...He is 15hours behind my time so I was going to drop when we started it but managed to fix all of them relatively quick...

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It's no really no point in speculation of where the phone is since it will probably be announced this year(jolla stated) with and released next year. What more important is what is jolla announcing and possibly even how?

Now, I hope to read more information from jolla via Jussi Hurmola and that he can indicated on what corner jolla with friends are headed to.

To do this we need all information available so please focusing of finding facts, rumors or even a string of information and we can slowly build a åicture of what's coming.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

http://www.elisanet.fi/miika.joas/jolla2_L.jpg

here the mighty jolla, :p

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Yeah, soap shaped as we expected.. Don't like the colour.

Is it water resistant?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

http://jollatides.com/2012/09/24/jol...ext-big-thing/

BIG THING!

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Something that Dave999 will enjoy!!!
Wild Speculation Post #1 (Elephant in the Room?)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Now...that is some serious speculation :D

"I will try and sum all of this up – the route that I am speculating Jolla could take :

1/ Develop own custom MeeGo UI with 3rd party hardware manufacturer (someone like Nokia) for Jolla branded handset: release and sell billions (like the strategy Google use with Samsung on the Google Nexus)

2/ Gain huge momentum and respect from other mobile phone manufacturers and subsequently start licensing Jolla software to the big boys eg. Samsung, HTC, Sony etc

3/ Continue releasing one Jolla branded phone per year followed by other devices as momentum with Jolla OS continues to build over the years.

4/ Continue growth and releasing OS updates annually and servicing 3rd party manufacturers.

5/ Become the number one OS used worldwide"

LOL World domination!
Can someone invited this guy to this thread. He is very much needed here!