Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

Couldn't agree more!! GPS navigation was also a decisive feature for me to choose N900 since I was used to it on N95, and it is Nokia's obligation as a supplier to deliver what is declared on the product features. The client is not responsible for extensively research if the official statement "Ovi Maps and A-GPS included" actually is a very deficient GPS app compared to Ovi Maps 3 on Symbian.

At least regarding Ovi Maps, seems it was included intentionally before it was ready, just because GPS navigation is now a must-have feature for most phone consumers, and that would be a total lack of respect for clients...

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

I don't expect feature-parity with the Symbian version.

Even if Nokia did a .5 release that enables the free navigation would be enought for the time being.

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

on the slides from maemo summit it says "multitouch on capacitive displays" and "multi-touch Gestures" on the Maemo 6 UI Framework slide
http://www.allaboutmaemo.com/news/it...the_Maemo_.php
as for n900 wont get maemo 6 quote there is no info to back that up but i really hope it does not get it.
b/c it wont be able to run same apps as say n910 without extra work to substitute for its short comings e.g no multi touch amongst other things
so it will just go largely ignored by commercial developers porting software from other platforms like from iphone.
and new software developed from scratch will be coded with the weakest link in mind to boost units distributed limiting the innovation on new maemo 6 devices if n900 gets upgraded.

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

You think that's bad? What Nokia did with the N95 in my country after purchasing Navteq was nothing short of criminal. They've advertised the N95 as fully capable GPS navigation device, and that was one of the main reasons I went with Nokia after the debacle that N80 was. I even bought the voice navigation package even tho I didn't really need it. All in all, I gave almost 1000€ to Nokia (well, local retailers did get a good piece of the action) and the device worked as advertised for almost two years, and I couldn't be happier... Then one day I updated the firmware which came with the latest Maps and boom - no more maps for my country (and several surounding ones). And no way to turn back. So, they've wrecked one of the most advertised features of the N95 in my country without breaking a sweat, and even without warning people that they'll loose the feature they've purchased the N95 for if they update it. And it's been a year and a half since then, IIRC, still no maps... At least they've clearly stated that no maps are available for my country on the N900 so it's not that I'm loosing an advertised feature by the omission of the fully featured Ovi Maps...

Now don't get me wrong, N95 was a fantastic device, but that lame move from Nokia have severely shaken my decade-old trust and confidence in the company, and if N900 didn't came along I'd probably have a competitors device in my hands right now, and I wouldn't look back. I'm not sure that Nokia can afford to f-up with the N900, too, at least not from my perspective (as a user, and a developer).

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

I disagree with this on many levels.

The only apps it won't be able to run properly are multi-touch apps.... the entire android line of phones seem to work just fine without it.. and even if Android 2.1+ get it, it's not like all the previous phones suddenly become void.

If M6 were to come to the N900 it is still the same basic framework as M6 for the 910... exactly the same OS with one difference: Driver for the touchscreen. All QT or whatever apps coded for the one will run on the other (assuming an ARMEL device), or PyQt4 or whatever - just some may not be 100% functional without the touchscreen.. and others may not work as well on the 910 without the accuracy of a resistive.

However, what I do think is it is an unbelievably horrific business practice to release a device or phone with the intention of ignoring it and making it obsolete less than 3-4 months after release. That is completely unsatisfactory that some things are marked with "harmattan" as a milestone for fix.. and it NOT coming to the N900. There was simply no reason for the N900 at all if that were to be the case.

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

It seems that Nokia are not listening to us!

If they do ignore the n900 then maybe we should organise some kind of letter or petition and send it to Nokia.

I'll have my n900 over the next couple of years( I'm really happy with it) and will keep a very close eye on how Nokia treat the version of maemo 5 and the n900.

If they do consider it obsolete after a few months release and keep bumping fixes to the next version then I will not buy the their next device.

If people feel strongly about how Nokia treat them then the simple answer is don't buy the next maemo-based device

Simple.

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

I really don't see why multitouch alone is an exclusion for Maemo6 on the n900. It's no different than remapping mouse gestures or keyboard shortcuts. Why does there have to be only pinch to zoom, and not the spiral zoom as well. We already have multiple ways to zoom in the n900's browser--the volume rocker, the spiral gesture, and the double tap gesture. Maemo 6 could support single- and multi-touch input simultaneously and the user could choose what to use. If the SOC is the same generation, I don't see the utility of manufacturing the n900 and with Maemo5 alongside the next n-series with Maemo6. It would be a waste of resources.

Will N900 be ignored by Nokia?
 

After releasing Ovi maps with free navigation for symbian and ignoring maemo 5, I started to worry about N900 to be ignored and left behind even before releasing the next maemo device.
I am very impressed with N900's open nature, promising OS and this active community supporting it, and was intending to buy one, but now I can't decide because my budget is limited and I can't afford buying the next maemo device after a few months from buying N900. So, the device that I will buy will stay with me for more than a year, and I don't want it to be ignored after a couple of months. Can you help me decide? I just want to make sure that N900 will be supported for along time (With firmware updates, new apps, and even installing maemo 6 on it)

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

You're correct... and the indications so far are that won't be the case for that reason. Maintaining both *is* a waste of resources. That is why things are marked for the next release as a milestone, but not fixed for fremantle.

Thus, if the next maemo is not on the N900 - it becomes obsolete nearly as fast as it hit the market, and everyone that bought one is out the $$. It will become a decayed dinosaur like the N810, not maintained or updated by Nokia - all new devs and customers will get the new device - and it will slowly whither and die off of attrition.

If M6 comes to the N900 this is a non-issue.. as things developed for M6 will still work on the N900. They just need to add a description of "requires multitouch" in their apps if they make use of that feature.

The reverse logic is like saying Windows shouldn't run on computers with intel graphics card or ATI cards, just because some games run better with nvidia cards than ATI cards, and intel cards just suck. Nevermind the fact that some games also run better with ATI cards (resistive touch accuracy).. that's not important.. because all leadership cares about is nvidia (multitouch) specifically!

Makes no sense.

Re: Will N900 be ignored by Nokia?
 

Time will tell. Past decisions may be changed in the future.

Quite off topic, but the N86 8MP was originally going to have Xenon. This was later changed due the designers' dislike of the look.