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I'm not, though I was in Helsinki last summer seeing a girlfriend. Nice place when the sun's shining. Enjoyed my time there, and particularly the cakes and ice cream at Café Kokko.

Of all the things I posted, I'm not particularly sure why you highlighted my story about the E4.5 source other than that it involved you. It was used to illustrate the fact that UT devs tend to be very responsive to any serious queries, feedback or contributions aimed at them (personally & institutionally) & do it in the open, and because it was a case that quite a few posters here would already be familiar with. If I got some kind of minor technicality wrong re: the case, then it's probably because it's several months ago, and it doesn't really make the point any less valid.

From the tenor of your response, I assume you find (some of) my posts a mixture of very frustrating and interesting or insightful. Of course I get things wrong, particularly details ... but then all of us are working on ridiculously scant information. If you think the overall conclusions I come to or analysis I post have some kind of ring of truth or strike close to home, then maybe act accordingly rather than wishing I knew more (either about Jolla or soft/hardware generally) and came to a different conclusion.

I won't say no to your invitation, it's very kind, but I think it's unlikely to happen soon as I have a pretty full schedule of travel for most of the rest of the year.

In the mean time, I agree with some of the other posters ... whilst it's not in your job description to be a font of product information, I'm sure everyone would be fascinated to know why nothing of the tablet has been shown for 4 months (or even the software, if the hardware is in a dysfunctional state) and what's going on. It'd be much more productive for everyone than either engaging me in discourse or chewing me out.

P.S. My 'job' has effectively been making relatively accurate analysis from highly imperfect data (and my imp. knowledge) ... or at least more accurate than most other people trying.

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You mean this 'rage' (http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...0&postcount=16 )?
After tried to suggest (or maybe was just ignorant, or maybe baiting) UI is third party component that will not be open sourced?
You can refresh your memory of that thread, you claimed jolla has not officially corroborated russian guys' statement, were provided with jolla official confirming, then you went on to suggest UI will not be part of the roadmap. Twisty

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See now you're saying something different, here's what you suggested the exchange was about in your last post:

Now you're saying it was about the conflict of official lines between the two parties, in that last post you suggested that users (szopin) were already taking as "gospel" the Russian gov't's line, that it was coming in ~June & would be done by ~July.

As I recall, he was merely addressing your (quite correct) attack on the claims for opening the remainder of SF by ~July by saying: "But that's the Russian official's words, these are the official Jolla peoples words, they're what matter, see here." He wasn't getting that you were making a point about the different msg both parties were conveying, as that was already obvious to him. You both seemed to be talking across 2 different points, he kept saying: "Ignore that Russian statement, here's the official line!" (he clearly thought you hadn't realised that yet), & you kept saying: "Yeah, but look at the discrepancies between the two parties!"

Reading it back, I don't think he was disagreeing that the Russian position was rubbish, & that there'd be no major progress within the time-line that the Russian minister was suggesting. He was just saying: "Look, a Jolla leader has said for the 1st time that Jolla has a time-line for opening the remainder of SF (of what they can), & that they'll share more soon!", he wasn't merging/conflating the two different lines.

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Not sure what's going on here and who is what and why. But I would remind that Jolla promised to open UI before phone launch and but we are still where we were few years ago :)

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No conjecture there.

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Exciting month ahead! Thank you jolla! :D

https://blog.jolla.com/jolla-iteration-5

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Sometimes Dave, I just wanna (breaks out into Rick Astley) ;-P

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If you have time to go through tweets of somehow related to Jolla people and you follow blogs, articles and speculations from fan site, to go through forums and TJC — good for you. But i would expect to have one proper source and that source should be updated.

On matter of "you are okay" of things as they are... Your choice. As well as most people okay with microsoft, a lot of people okay with NSA spying on them, okay with a lot of things. It doesn't make it right. And if several sailors, a lot of fans and contributors and even Jolla itself tells you that they were bad at communication, than at least listen to them, not me ;)
And again i asked the question, proper question about holidays and timelines and i dare you to find me proper answer from any official information. As well as can you tell me if there is new display and what display was chosen. Are all block problems for release are resolved?
And if you okay of Jolla delaying for even half year, some people are not. While two months delay somehow can be okay, waiting more only means that you pre-ordered really overprices gadget that you still did not get. As we all know that every 3-6 months there are new and new phones and tablets with higher specs which makes current HW cheaper and cheaper. (maybe even Jolla waiting to get discount deals for end of season deals :P ).
Anyway if you okay with given information and if jolla is better than few evil companies, doesn't mean there are no better companies and there is no place for improvement. As well it doesn't mean that it's the right way they handle things.
Again, i'll remind you about the meetings, i think you would agree that they are great thing, and i would remind that they were made because of rant "lack of communication". Btw pay attention that they are not so active lately and mostly coz of lack of users. As most active users, with ideas, spirit to improve and change and active maemo users, did not wait for Jolla to finally "get down to earth, to us mortal" and they moved on somewhere else. You can argue as much as you can, but there are not that much devs for Jolla . No 3rd parties apps. And even not talking about paid apps, where Jolla started that famous thread and ignored it (for year+ ?). 3rd party devs look at those things, they wouldn't rant or whine, but they would not develop any apps too :)

Also I gave you a lot of examples of lack of communication, while you keep telling "it's okay for me", then please provide me examples of good communication... And do not tell "they told about delay" as they HAD to, especially when it's second time. And do not tell me about roadmap that was introduced years after release and mostly it;s changelog :)

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Just imagine if I was head of blog posts at jolla. They would have a market value that would make apple jealous...

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No I didn't change position .. if you can't see the first quote is dripping in sarcasm, sorry, but I refuse to use inane /s tags.