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crisscross 2012-09-25 20:36
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thedead1440 (Post 1271794)
Lumiaman let me tell you one thing; I was debating with you sensibly and understand at times where you're coming from...I was even ready to accept that your N9s were screwed hence you were complaining about them...

Guess what? Yesterday Arie contacted me about a few of his N9s having problems (yes all 3 which he bought from you)...AND the best part of this is that ALL 3 of them had hardware issues...The worst was the White n9; it was missing 4GB space in the emmc partition...WTF did you do to make it lose 4GB? Then on second thought it must not be you but something else like a fraudulent seller...

Anyway we spent ~2 hours to fix all 3 of them...The hardware issue all 3 had was missing various amounts of partition space...This was causing the n9 to act very weird...Once we got them fixed they have been running very well especially since one of them is a Finnish one with excellent build quality...

So really you've been screwed 3x by whatever it is to give you a lousy experience...If you debate sensibly I would reply because I understand your concerns but when you bait its pretty irritating...

http://db.tt/q6EgNY42
This is the White N9 missing 4GB before we fixed it; it should be 57.6GB...
Ok, so my N9 also have the same prob?
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/30079300/N9.png

Jordi 2012-09-25 21:32
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Another interview of Jussi Hurmola :http://gigaom.com/europe/jolla-the-m...s-and-android/

Via phonearena.com

Fuzzillogic 2012-09-25 21:36
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by crisscross (Post 1272209)
Ok, so my N9 also have the same prob?
Going off-topic here (as if it wasn't already...) but I have the same values. However, combined with the near-4GiB for root and near-2GiB for /home you get ~59.6GiB, which is precisely 64GB - yes, the GiB/GB-scam is getting worse :(

Fuzzillogic 2012-09-25 21:53
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi (Post 1272231)
Another interview of Jussi Hurmola :http://gigaom.com/europe/jolla-the-m...s-and-android/

Via phonearena.com
Quote:
How big a part will cloud services play in Jolla?
Cloud is part of everything. All functionality is basically extended by the cloud ...
Darn, there's that C-word again. I trust only one cloud: the one I can host myself. Not that I will, but if I can, I can surely also choose the cloud-provider I do like (== trust). The options are quite thin there. I surely don't hope the device gets laden with clouds I don't trust like google, dropbox, facebook, etcetc.

Quote:
HTML5 on mobile has been a somewhat contentious issue recently. What’s its role in your view?
We would love HTML5 to succeed fast, because it would mean our MeeGo-based ecosystem would be compatible with everything out there. But, at the moment, I think there are interests against that. It would again take away the control point from the existing platforms if suddenly everything were compatible.
Aaaand there's the H-word! HTML5 sucks for apps. HTML was never meant for that; it's a text mark-up. QML especially with qt-components is very nice for app development. I'd rather see them trying to convince developers to use Qt/QML than to flirt with the dreck that is HTML5.

Nothing wrong with supporting HTML5/Tizen/FirefoxOS/Android though, as it can convince people they won't loose any functionality over Tizen/FirefoxOS/Android-devices. "Yes we support HTML5, but we also have something much better."

Dave999 2012-09-26 05:04
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Html can work very well for some "apps". If the developer is skilled enough and there is Qt, that surly will be a part of Jolla? So what's the problem. It's up to developers to choose. Don't blame standard or technology. It's a dev decision. If you don't like html apps don't use it blame the guy behind it for choosing it. Htm5 can be great when moving between platforms like mobile, cars, television screens etc sure it has drawback like everything but might be improved over the years and is not yet a standard.

Dave999 2012-09-26 10:06
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Anyone here buying the jolla phone no matter what they are releasing and what price it costs?

Just to show your support?

thedead1440 2012-09-26 10:08
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1272409)
Anyone here buying the jolla phone no matter what they are releasing and what price it costs?

Just to show your support?
Me

10chars

Hurrian 2012-09-26 10:09
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1272409)
Anyone here buying the jolla phone no matter what they are releasing and what price it costs?

Just to show your support?
If it has a decent SoC and runs GNU/Linux, then I'm game.
This is the kind of phone that we need to promote. When Jolla gets their market seal of approval, then we can talk HW keyboards, TV Transmitter radios, eSATA, halfmini-PCIe and other exotic stuff.

mariusmssj 2012-09-26 10:30
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thedead1440 (Post 1272411)
Me

10chars
Same here, I still plan to have N9 as main device but play around with Jolla phone!

onethreealpha 2012-09-26 10:30
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thedead1440 (Post 1272411)
Me

10chars
^ what he said

ste-phan 2012-09-26 12:04
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1272409)
Anyone here buying the jolla phone no matter what they are releasing and what price it costs?

Just to show your support?
I'll be happy to even pay 1000 world currency units for it to show off my sophisticated personality and make me stand out in the millions crowd of Lumia-sheeple in 2013. :D

The brick-er the Jolla device, the better :D

(longing for my Nokia 2110i with extended battery but then full of latest sophisticated hardware including Geiger Muller tube, bottle openers)

And if it is any good in terms of performance support and openness I'll purchase the updated model as well.

Dave999 2012-09-26 13:20
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Ok, 4 phones sold. That's good. Count me in for another one.

What about my groupy don_falcone. You up for one?

szymeczek34 2012-09-26 13:23
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Count me in. Unless it costs 1000€. I'm gonna stay with both Jolla and N9 for a little while and decide which way to go. Either way, I'm buying that phone.

minimos 2012-09-26 13:48
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I'm also in (if price/performance is not unreasonable).

Then planning to send Elop an email "Thank you for making Jolla guys free / Sent from my JollaMobile" :D

Fuzzillogic 2012-09-26 16:11
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1272307)
Html can work very well for some "apps". If the developer is skilled enough and there is Qt, that surly will be a part of Jolla? So what's the problem. It's up to developers to choose. Don't blame standard or technology. It's a dev decision. If you don't like html apps don't use it blame the guy behind it for choosing it. Htm5 can be great when moving between platforms like mobile, cars, television screens etc sure it has drawback like everything but might be improved over the years and is not yet a standard.
I didn't say they shouldn't support it, but I did say they shouldn't bring it as the Valhalla of Programming, because it most certainly isn't.

But why shouldn't a blame the standard or technology? The WHATWG and W3C are for a very large part responsible for the mess it is. But the real problem is there are so many developers which lack experience other than HTML/JS and now confuse its popularity with its quality.

vitaminj 2012-09-26 16:15
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Yep, anything up to £600. And as long as the hardware and UI design is non-ugly.

Dave999 2012-09-26 17:10
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuzzillogic (Post 1272529)
I didn't say they shouldn't support it, but I did say they shouldn't bring it as the Valhalla of Programming, because it most certainly isn't.

But why shouldn't a blame the standard or technology? The WHATWG and W3C are for a very large part responsible for the mess it is. But the real problem is there are so many developers which lack experience other than HTML/JS and now confuse its popularity with its quality.
Ok. Jolla should move directly to Html 6

Lumiaman 2012-09-26 17:41
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thedead1440 (Post 1271794)
Lumiaman let me tell you one thing; I was debating with you sensibly and understand at times where you're coming from...I was even ready to accept that your N9s were screwed hence you were complaining about them...

Guess what? Yesterday Arie contacted me about a few of his N9s having problems (yes all 3 which he bought from you)...AND the best part of this is that ALL 3 of them had hardware issues...The worst was the White n9; it was missing 4GB space in the emmc partition...WTF did you do to make it lose 4GB? Then on second thought it must not be you but something else like a fraudulent seller...

Anyway we spent ~2 hours to fix all 3 of them...The hardware issue all 3 had was missing various amounts of partition space...This was causing the n9 to act very weird...Once we got them fixed they have been running very well especially since one of them is a Finnish one with excellent build quality...

So really you've been screwed 3x by whatever it is to give you a lousy experience...If you debate sensibly I would reply because I understand your concerns but when you bait its pretty irritating...

http://db.tt/q6EgNY42
This is the White N9 missing 4GB before we fixed it; it should be 57.6GB...

Hello Genius. Looks like alike geniuses thanked you for your post. First, The 3 N9s you are referring to, were bought from three different sellers. The most likely interpretation IS NOT fraudulent activity, but NOKIAs issue. Others posted here and showed partitions similar to what you show here.

Second, it is really unethical for you to comment on these phones. If Arie had issues, he could have contacted me. I sold them for a fine price and I dont regret it if someone has a good use for them. You should of kept quiet without knowing the history.

thedead1440 2012-09-26 18:07
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
I think in my myriad of posts; I have posted some incorrect info...

The screenshot I posted was of the half-way process whereby we had already merged partitions but it wasn't working with the "Can't access user data error" coming up...Arie sent me this screenshot...Prior to this he had the 4GB missing...After this we realised he had done an exFat instead of Fat32 partition so doing that fixed all things up...

If you realise the bytes are 57.6GiB which is what we wanted to get to...

I posted that due to Arie asking me to post it since he doesn't come here that often...I have no intention to interfere in your dealings with him...The screenshot in my first post except for type of partition is what a stock n9's mmc partition should look like...

Anyway its fixed now and working well...

Dave999 2012-09-26 19:54
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Ohhh. No phone today. :(

Well well well it's another day tomorrow, lets hope for the Jolla phone.

Time to sleep. Wake Me Up when the phone arrives.

Sleep tight!

mikecomputing 2012-09-26 20:58
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
why the **** do people post stuff about lumiamans ****ing problems with n9 in a thread about jolla? Stop flood every ****ing thread with oftopic stuff!!

mariusmssj 2012-09-26 23:09
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1272638)
Ohhh. No phone today. :(

Well well well it's another day tomorrow, lets hope for the Jolla phone.

Time to sleep. Wake Me Up when the phone arrives.

Sleep tight!
you need to find a hobby or something before you lose your mind bro!

MartinK 2012-09-26 23:32
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuzzillogic (Post 1272529)
I didn't say they shouldn't support it, but I did say they shouldn't bring it as the Valhalla of Programming, because it most certainly isn't.

But why shouldn't a blame the standard or technology? The WHATWG and W3C are for a very large part responsible for the mess it is. But the real problem is there are so many developers which lack experience other than HTML/JS and now confuse its popularity with its quality.
I got the same idea after speaking with some WebOS application developers and studying how WebOS applications work a bit. There are some nice aspects and as long as you do the basic & supported stuff (thing shopping lists, twitter clients, RSS readers, simple encyclopedias) everything is alright.

But when you want to do some more advanced stuff - games, editors, terminal emulators, painting programs, video players - you either can't (all graphic intensive games on WebOS actually use SDL, not the Enyo or Mojo frameworks) or have to use horrible hacks. On of the devs mentioned writing a painting program - you can't access files directly from the HTML framework. He had to create a system service, serialize the bitmap to some plaintext xml message (yeah, really "<data>101010111010</data>) and send it to the service, which finally saved it as a file in storage.

Like this, it can be actually more difficult because of jumping through all the needless hops than just doing it the native way.

shmerl 2012-09-27 01:21
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Is there moderation in this thread? Someone needs to remove all the noise and garbage from here.

Dave999 2012-09-27 05:46
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1272718)
you need to find a hobby or something before you lose your mind bro!
No, not all. I just need a jolla phone. And so do you bro.

mariusmssj 2012-09-27 07:58
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1272792)
No, not all. I just need a jolla phone. And so do you bro.
I'm definitely getting a Jolla Phone! but i am not desperate for one!

don_falcone 2012-09-27 08:21
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinK (Post 1272720)
I got the same idea after speaking with some WebOS application developers and studying how WebOS applications work a bit. There are some nice aspects and as long as you do the basic & supported stuff (thing shopping lists, twitter clients, RSS readers, simple encyclopedias) everything is alright.

But when you want to do some more advanced stuff - games, editors, terminal emulators, painting programs, video players - you either can't (all graphic intensive games on WebOS actually use SDL, not the Enyo or Mojo frameworks) or have to use horrible hacks. On of the devs mentioned writing a painting program - you can't access files directly from the HTML framework. He had to create a system service, serialize the bitmap to some plaintext xml message (yeah, really "<data>101010111010</data>) and send it to the service, which finally saved it as a file in storage.

Like this, it can be actually more difficult because of jumping through all the needless hops than just doing it the native way.
This. Exactly this. That's what most "devs" are doing: they just glue some external API's together, wrap them up in a HTML/JS framework working as as a web-technology based frontend with stupid animations. One of the reasons we have so many twitter clients on webOS, but not much of the serious stuff. Native, ftw!

(It took "them" ages to do f.e. the cool stuff like wTerm or SyncML client.)

Quote:
Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1272718)
you need to find a hobby or something before you lose your mind bro!
He already did :D (see below)

shmerl 2012-09-27 17:25
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Quote:
Few developers make me so angry as WhatsApp's ones. They just took XMPP, made a couple of changes so that it does not work with normal clients, forgot about any kind of security and call it a day. Their biggest idea is using phone numbers as identifiers and marketing their app as an SMS replacement instead of an internet chat.
Great citation. And a really sickening thing that WhatsApp is.

Regarding Web APIs - I don't think they are bad when they are provided in addition to native APIs. When they are the only option - it's really bad.

jecargo22 2012-09-27 18:11
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i wonder how some of you here will feell when you get your first jolla phone in the shape and specs of the almost forgotten lumia 900...

shmerl 2012-09-27 18:20
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
We don't know the specs, so there is no point to guess now. I'm more concerned about supported frequencies though. If they'll be too limiting (since Jolla initially focuses on China) - it can be really bad for users in other countries like US. Let's hope Jolla won't try to cut costs by supporting very narrow options.

MartinK 2012-09-27 18:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jecargo22 (Post 1273005)
i wonder how some of you here will feell when you get your first jolla phone in the shape and specs of the almost forgotten lumia 900...
When I see a WP device, my first thought is always "wasting perfectly fine hardware for a really bad OS" - so no issues. :)

MINKIN2 2012-09-27 18:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jecargo22 (Post 1273005)
i wonder how some of you here will feell when you get your first jolla phone in the shape and specs of the almost forgotten lumia 900...
As many people on this forum give their own mothers for a n9 SOC in an n900 body, I would guess the general reception would be quite good?

Although that does lead me to another question... With Jolla's long standing experience with the OMAP chipset, would they wish to continue using these in their new devices?

Dave999 2012-09-27 19:48
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jecargo22 (Post 1273005)
i wonder how some of you here will feell when you get your first jolla phone in the shape and specs of the almost forgotten lumia 900...
I will start crying and blame Canada.

mikecomputing 2012-09-27 19:51
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New site


http://jollausers.com

also on twitter

Dave999 2012-09-27 19:56
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1273038)
New site


http://jollausers.com

also on twitter
Who came up with that name. There are no jollausers. :eek:

N9uwu 2012-09-27 20:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1273042)
Who came up with that name. There are no jollausers. :eek:
well, they use jolla to get attention ;).

Dave999 2012-09-28 10:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by N9uwu (Post 1273047)
well, they use jolla to get attention ;).
Maybe jolla should use Jolla.com for that same reason.

Just an idea ;)

Lumiaman 2012-09-29 12:58
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
LOL, JOLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA..........Check out how well NOKIA web maps work on iphone, and Jolla leadership couldnt make the same work well on N9. Jolla leadership is a fail in my view. At least Apple's Tim Cook came out and apologized for crappy maps. Did Jolla leadership apologize for anything? and there is so much wrong with N9. When will Jolla leader grow up and tell us publicly why so much issues on N9? I challenge him to make a public apology for: why NOKIA drive and maps dont work well on N9, why is it laggy, why is email such a fail, why is browser such a fail, why are fonts such a fail, why virtual keyboard is still a fail compared to others, why when i type WHAT it persists on telling me SWAT, why it mixes contacts in my SMS. Let me see them apologize. Do they have the balls to do it, or will they sail on their dinghy and drown

Dave999 2012-09-29 13:27
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1273882)
LOL, JOLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA..........Check out how well NOKIA web maps work on iphone, and Jolla leadership couldnt make the same work well on N9. Jolla leadership is a fail in my view. At least Apple's Tim Cook came out and apologized for crappy maps. Did Jolla leadership apologize for anything? and there is so much wrong with N9. When will Jolla leader grow up and tell us publicly why so much issues on N9? I challenge him to make a public apology for: why NOKIA drive and maps dont work well on N9, why is it laggy, why is email such a fail, why is browser such a fail, why are fonts such a fail, why virtual keyboard is still a fail compared to others, why when i type WHAT it persists on telling me SWAT, why it mixes contacts in my SMS. Let me see them apologize. Do they have the balls to do it, or will they sail on their dinghy and drown

That post was so crappy. I think you should apologize. Let me see you apologize. Do you have the balls to do it, or will you sail on your dinghy and drown

Lumiaman 2012-09-29 13:49
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Dave,

I got the balls to say that Emperor wears no clothes. Thank yourself few more times more for acting like a jSheep.


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