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Re: N9 hits FCC???

I agree completely, I hope they've bought a few more parts of MeeGo over for the sake of compliance, we know they're using hardfp like we do for the arm MeeGo adaptation. But I'm sure ABI compatibility will be a bit too much to ask ;)

otoh, things like not using ofono really annoy me because otherwise we could have ported across my qml meego dialer :/

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Originally Posted by tswindell (Post 1006960)

hmm doesnt the QtMobility have API for dialing? So application developers doesnt have to play with lowlevel stacks?

Dont misunderstand me now I dont want start a flamewar with you on this just wondering. Cause imho Qtmobility should have such apis.

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Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1006975)

I am not aware of a Qt Mobility API for dialing, there may be a function call like "dial" but nothing more indepth which I'd require for my dialer.

Also, Qt Mobility is not an official MeeGo platform API ;)

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Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1006847)

Some of above statements is not correct see my reply.

So far, you've been proven quite wrong numerous times in this thread. Unless you supply links from reputable locations and news sources, I'll continue to believe that you're inherently wrong and other, more involved folks are just that much more right.

And I mean facts, not opinions. You can continue to believe you're right.

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Originally Posted by javispedro (Post 1006954)

I used to worry about the Meego vs Harmattan debacle in the same way.
Not any longer. And the main reason is that I've found Meego _itself_ to be even more inconsistent.

Meego on the days we started to know what the Harmattan stack would look like is at least as different from today's Meego stack as those days' Harmattan stack was. At this point, I'm willing to say that the entire DEB vs RPM difference is a minimal nuisance when it is at stake even the way applications will be spawned.

So I bet Harmattan is an example of the Meego-ish things that will come instead of the outdated mess many people believe it to be.

Either way. There is clearly a plan to deal with all of the Meego inconsistencies between platforms which is to do the core logic once and implement one UI per platform.

And us slightly lower-level guys where already pretty much tied to the Harmattan way of life whatever Meego came up to be, so no worries either...

I can't be so cavalier - wish I could - because I understand where you're talking about the inconsistencies... at the OS level.

I'm actually talking about at a developer/vendor level. And as invariably more correct about things than I am; not seeing any commitments from any 3rd party developers that have committed their software to this platform, it stands the chance of being orphaned or relegated to being dependent on an open source port that can compile to the ISA of processor choice... that's a bit more dependent on the FOSS community that has yet to deliver a few things that I require.

Who knows though. Perhaps the community will step from the N900 to the next iteration in a much faster speed and with far more polished results and applications than with the N900 - The One Ring, fMMS, fCamera and a few others come to mind as the must-have things from the community that were better than most commercial offerings.

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Originally Posted by geohsia (Post 1006348)

Show me an OS that has perfect forward and backward compatibility and I'll show you an OS that takes 3 to 4 years to release and still will not be 100% perfect.

Umm... Solaris?
They have a binary-compatibility guarantee for same-architecture releases, and source code guarantee for cross-platform code.
Solaris 10 has had 9 releases since 2005.

The company that takes 3-4 years to make a release definitely does not provide any compatibility guarantees at all. In fact, you have to buy one of their most expensive releases just to get an emulator to run software written for the previous release.
This company's products are not allowed in my house. :)
(I use Solaris & Linux, my wife uses OSX and IOS)

* - OK, I admit, I'm forced to use the ugly bugfest OS on my work computer.

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I'm really excited about the N9's potential. I hope the hardware delivers though, it's going to be difficult making the same leap in phone functionality as the N900 did for me. If it's going to be basically the same thing save for hardware, then I'm keeping my N900.

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Originally Posted by glabifrons (Post 1007107)

Umm... Solaris?
They have a binary-compatibility guarantee for same-architecture releases, and source code guarantee for cross-platform code.
Solaris 10 has had 9 releases since 2005.The company that takes 3-4 years to make a release definitely does not provide any compatibility guarantees at all. In fact, you have to buy one of their most expensive releases just to get an emulator to run software written for the previous release.
This company's products are not allowed in my house. :)
(I use Solaris & Linux, my wife uses OSX and IOS)

* - OK, I admit, I'm forced to use the ugly bugfest OS on my work computer.

Funny because I was thinking of specifically Solaris. Backward / forward compatibility was a moving target for Solaris. They did as good a job as they could and spent tons of money to do it. Certainly wasn't perfect. I think managing migration is a smarter strategy in this fast moving world. Light weight phone apps are different than enterprise apps.

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Originally Posted by subszero (Post 1006234)

Ok .. I just registered to tell you this.

I am a nokia employee who works on symbian (dont know why) but have seen the meego device and used it.

You guys are in for an absolute treat, it is the most incredible device I have ever seen. I dont want to divulge more information, but I guarantee you guys that you will love it !!

Translation:

The Hardware is good but the support will SUCK.

Sorry, but thats the exact line that was run before for the N900.

I will wait and see this time - no preorders for me.

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I remember very clearly when meego was first announced, everybody here was a little bit bitter their beloved maemo would eventually die, yet everyone was relieved there would be one last device, the harmattan device. Why all of a sudden maemo has become the obsolete thing nobody wants? And why two years later everybody assumes harmattan is just a fremantle makeover. When we got the N900 we knew we are getting a device with an OS of its own with all that follows. We hoped it will be the future, but we knew nothing. There was no info as if M6 would work on the N900. Now we are getting a working real meego release, obviously there will be one for the Nwhatever, so why the long face?

Hildon UI is one of the best UI's out there that could even work for netbooks and Meego's vanilla ui isn't that nice (more of a bastard android-iphone child). If you ask me, I'm happy we will finally get Maemo 6, it will be more open than 5 and it has a nicer name (so I hope the Meego folks don't cut them the slack)
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