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I actually think that Nokia has the upper hand. As the sole producer of WP phones , Microsoft will have to provide better terms for their licenses.

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Douchebag says what?

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Hey Crapper...good to see you alive and full of hate. Are you one of the incompetent ex-Nokia coders that ELOP let loose?

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So... after getting shown that you're wrong, you retaliate as such?

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Nice try, dork, but we all know you're a non-technical, Johnny-come-lately Nokia employee with some seriously underwater stock options. What's your strike price, $11?

Lumiaturd: "These go to 11"

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Hey Crapper, we are over 4 again.....

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Hey Crapper, we are over 4 again.....

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Nokia is doing really bad in stocks.

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Nope, Nokia still have nothing, let's face it, Windows Phone 7/7.5/7.8/8 is not anywhere close the success Android and iOS is currently having. The only thing that is keeping Nokia on a floating line is their low end phones like Asha's and other phones with proprietary OS and just basic phone functions (maybe a mp3 or radio extra).

Right now ruler of the market is G. Android and A. iOS, followed by Blackberry and then Windows Phone. I think if Nokia won't produce at least one Android device, they will continue to go down!

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Yes, they are. Low price, great products, rosy future, time to make money

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Yeah? And except the new Lumia series, what other "great" products Nokia have?

Even some of the Lumia's are made... just to be made (620 or whatever that lumia is) is a crappy piece of plastic, what's great about that?

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Any incompetent ones were snapped up by Microsoft, it's like Nirvana for them.

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Nah...those went to Jolla

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Uh oh, pre market doesn't look good.

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Back to over 4.

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Whew, Nokia stock holders dodged a bullet there. The Fed decided to continue to print money:

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/id...30718?irpc=932

And if that wasn't enough, Nokia will try and keep that share price inflated by firing a few people:

http://thenextweb.com/eu/2013/07/18/...e-sales-falls/

Overall, a banner day for Nokia! Oh, except for that part where their revenue is slipping.

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Now higher than yesterday. Lumia up by 24%, cleaning up all the Symbian and Meego craaap will take time.

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Nokia down by %24:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/news-s...174241474.html

See what I did there? Probably not since you're blind to facts.

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Stock is up. 4.05. Stop hating. Bad for your health. Get job with Holla. They hire bad coders

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In Q1 NOKIA sold 6.1m smart devices with an ASP of EUR 191
In Q2 NOKIA sold 7.4m smart devices with an ASP of EUR 157

So they did more work for less money.

Increased volume is better for Microsoft because they have more punters for the apps etc... but greater volume for less revenue just makes NOKIA busy fools.

It seems Elop's magic touch is starting to work for the mobile phone division too.

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Elop says Q3 they will success......

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NOKIA sold more than BBRY, yet stock price is lower. NOKIA is undervalued.

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In my last post I forgot to say that Elop is one of the biggest troll of all CEO:s in today world.

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NOKIA sold more units but did they sell more in money? I can't find BlackBerry's results but my guess is their ASP will be quite a bit higher than NOKIA's.

BlackBerry also own their own ecosystem so they have opportunities to earn more money from their customers after the device is sold.

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NOKIA sold over 28m smart devices in the last quarter before Elop killed MeeGo and Symbian and the market has doubled in size since so I think he needs to at least get beyond 56m Lumias per quarter before he can talk of success.

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There we go with the Symbian and Meego......lol, lol, lol

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7.4m? Even Yulong (who?) did more than that.... lol, lol, lol

Have they even recovered the marketing budget yet? lol, lol, lol

Series40+J2ME v Android? You've got to be kidding, right? lol, lol, lol

Oh, that Stephen Elop's full of wit... lol, lol, lol

It's so funny I'll bet the tens of thousands of people who've lost their jobs through his treachery are p1551ng their pants right now... lol, lol, lol

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You are moving absolutely nowhere. You are like rocks fighting out a battle and are unable to move in any direction what so ever.

[How was my English?
1 of 10 or 10 of 10.]

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Dave,

what were you trying to say? In english please.

Sincerely,

Yours Truly, Lumiaman

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That you all found your foxhole and digged in unable to advance or retreat. .

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+ Microsoft still gets license fee per phone. Their WP license income was up 200 million last quarter. Nokia sells more units, pays MS more but had smart devices income growth at 0%, due to lower ASP.

Ellop's plan keeps being good for MS.

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Ah so you are another one of those loser coders that couldnt get Symbian and Maemo out of its destined demise. And then you pisss all over current man who is producing far better phones that NOKIA did without him. Wake up bud, the landscape changed, series40 was a dinosaur that was destined to die, the competition was never as bad as it is now, and losers like you could not compete.

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Anybody who thinks Elop's plan was successful is deluding themselves. His "plan" was to show an increase in smartphone and midrange shipments especially in the US as he kept emphasizing and not have a situation where it becomes a race to the bottom. His plan was to get handsets out quicker and have hardware that is not held back by the software, yet it took years for them to shift pureview. He was worried that there will only be one Meego device in 2011 yet they struggled and released one WP device in 2011 anyway. He kept mentioning how their brand is deteriorating and that it's time to take action.

What has happened is in fact the complete opposite what he wanted. He saw handset sales decline everywhere (including the US). He saw continued brand deterioration especially in China, Europe and the US. He still has India and Finland though. All Elop has done is pull the wool over some people's eyes with branding. He groups his range as "Lumia" so as to mask the highend with the lowend because highend really hasn't increased all that much, they really are no better than the N8, N9's of yesteryear, he keeps talking about record increase in Lumia sales but doesn't mention he is only replacing Symbians, S40s in regions he already had a foothold in. While seeing his handset shipments actually decline year after year.

This is the graph of what they expected to happen

http://mynokiablog.com/wp-content/up...-estimates.png

this is actually what happened.

http://allaboutwindowsphone.com/imag...sc/nokq20d.png

Handset sales continued to decline contrary to a stupidly optimistic forecast of an increase for no reason other than by adopting an OS that wasn't really popular to begin with.

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Switching to a totally new platform they increased their sales by 24%. I say that is a positive sign. That said, the competition is ferocious. There has never been so much competition as today. The NOKIA of yesterday, would have no chance in the current competitive environment. Elop is keeping them alive.

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Series 40+J2ME was destined to die (to be replaced by Meltemi+Qt) it was Elop who saved it.
Yet another catastrophic blunder that will cost NOKIA a large fortune.


There's no dispute NOKIA are producing much better hardware now, it's a completely different league to the 5800, 5230, etc... So now stop and ask yourself this question: "Why isn't it selling?"

Windows Phones aren't selling well, Windows 8 tablets aren't selling well, very few people want Windows 8 on their PC. Do you see a pattern here?

Put MeeGo, Sailfish, Symbian, Android, WebOS or Ubuntu on a Lumia and I'd snap it up. Windows Phone is NOKIA's problem, to use an expression made famous by Charles Sax-Coburg Gotha: "It's like a wart on the face of a much loved friend".

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Lumiaman, I don't think you understood at all.
Sales are DOWN 24%. They're not even meeting the revised lower forecasts.

http://news.sky.com/story/1117370/no...t-three-months

Don't try and mince words like Elop. When you say "they increased their sales by 24%" do you actually mean Nokia sales decreased substantially but this new "brand", that we are now selling to past Nokia customers in given regions who were buying our phones regardless has increased because we have essentially rebranded our phone lineup to make it seem like sales are on the rise or related to the OS when in fact we are continuing to lose customers and brand recognition.

Look at the numbers, sales decreased year over year.

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That simply hasn't happened, NOKIA's sales are a tiny fraction of what they were.


Elop claimed the reason he didn't go Android was because he didn't want to compete with Samsung. The NOKIA of yesterday was never so feeble and cowardly, it competed with Samsung head on and won. Elop's a pathetic little Jessie cowering in a dark corner that he thinks Sammy isn't interested in.

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Maybe Android, forget Meego, Sailfish, or Symbian. I don't think you get it either. The sales of LUMIAs have increased and all the other garbage has appropriately decreased. It's transition time. I guess they could have gone with Android, but they be: me too crowd with everyone else. With WP they feel they can differentiate better. Again, the competition is brutal and NOKIA of yesterday could not compete. They had no response to iphone or Android and they couldn't code good stuff in house. Hence WP

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The funny thing is that we don't know how nokia would looked without ELOP, Microsoft and Windows. Don't take for granted that this would have looked/ended better. If you like to discuss that you should discuss every single decision along the way...

What if...Nokia would have continued with Meego and symbian until today?

What if...Nokia bought Google, Samsung, Apple when they were tiny?

What if...Fredrik Idestam never had been born?

Pointless because you can't be right since it's impossible to know stuff that didn't happened.

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I wished they stop making all the garbage and completely focus on what is growing:LUMIAs

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I don't like Lumias, I think you are the only one but I'm trying not to compare with things that didn't happen or is non existing. You are only here to provoke, that's not better.