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Re: Biggest Disappointment: Nav Software

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Originally Posted by Munk (Post 100277)

My problem with MaemoMapper is that it is using graphical images of maps rather than vector data. This is about 10 times larger (or more) in file size. Since I drive most of California I would need about 10 gigabytes just to hold SOME of the levels of detail that I would truely want to have.

That is where NaviCore or whatever it is called would probably shine. But, in the videos of this program, it's too dang slow to find any POI's. My older Pocket PC/GPS combo with Mapopolis (now out of the consumer level business) gave me tons of configurable options for road detail, zooming, POI's for a great price. It seems using the Nokia N810 and its mapping solution is a downgrade.

Ok. Nokia couldn't support development of Maemo Mapper as maps came from Google/Yahoo/MS/ OpenStreet, Nokia's competitors on a maps and navigation market.
Nokia has no previous experience with navigation.
Marketing campaign targeted businessmen who bought N95 and N95 8GB to install navigation software.
It works fine as gizmo but is not true navigation.

Nokia lost her chance to make money in navigation market.
Maps alone generate no profit.
Maps installed on cell phone don't generate profit too.
Nokia's products are very inpensive in Europe,
Nokia 95 8GB at $1300 in Vobis network.

Low quality navigation in E-Series phone generates no profit.
There are already hundreds of embedded car navigation devices on a market , some priced as low as $100.
Nokia has lost that market forever.

Pay-per-track navigation is to expensive.
N770, N800, N810 is not commercial products.
Nokia tablets are hgigh-end products for Linux/Debian fans only.
Windows Mobile fans prefer ASUS, Samsung with TV out.

I don't see any chance that situation can improve any time in a future.
US with 3G WiFi, Bluetooth, GPS, 16GB iPhone to be released early 2008
will not buy Nokia navigation any more.

Europe with overpriced Nokia products will give up local Nokia products
and starts private import from US
( US N95 8GB $600 vs. EU N95 8GB at $1300).

N770, N800, N810 is still by-product, to complicated for Windows Mobile fans, to complicated for Symbian fans, to expensive for Linux fans.

I wish Nokia all the best but market situation is getting only worse, as embedded car navigation products from Asia, US are so getting so cheap, Nokia has no chance to compete in Asia, US or on European market in the field of car navigation.

Price is what makes you next buyer.

Darius

Re: Biggest Disappointment: Nav Software

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Originally Posted by YoDude (Post 100323)

POI's now are quite useful on the thing. :)

>> http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...ad.php?t=11911

I knew it would only be a matter of time! :)

}:^)~
YARR!

Capt'n Corrupt

Re: Biggest Disappointment: Nav Software

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Originally Posted by TA-t3 (Post 100079)

Ah, well. Maps aren't enough. It's tougher to write good navigation software than many people think. Sounds to me like TomTom solved the problems reported in Navicore years ago. For example, my 2004 version of TT comes not only with regional maps, but also with a special map called 'major roads of Europe', and to navigate from Paris to Wien (Vienna) you just load mjoe and off you go. Then, if you need to go to some minor road not covered in mjoe when you're near your target you just switch to the local region. I believe it's an even smoother operation in newer versions of TT (I bought TT5 too but as I'm happy enough with the older version I've yet to install it).

My dear friend,

TomTom is already out of navigation business with old-generation embedded navigation devices based on RDS-TMC road data.

As you see, Navicore, WayFinder, Nav4All, NaviExpert, Maemo Mapper, Navit, Nokia maps, Google maps, Yahoo maps, MS maps and others,
all they come with virtual navigation, vector maps, generated by server and downloaded to navigation cell phone or PDA, tablet.

Communication is two-way, duplex over GPRS enabled cell phones.

Its is very badly vector maps systems - Navteq has been acquired by Nokia, having no experience with navigation and TeleAtlas by TomTom having no experience with cell phones.

We should give up an idea to of buying a new navigation in 1-2 years time to let new owners of vector maps systems to develop new 3D generation navigation systems, software, equipment.

Wjhat is already offered on a market are 5-years old systems, navigation ideas, 20 years old navigation, routing algorithms.

Nothing new can be expected over next 1-2 years.

Developing 3D generation navigation systems is not very complicated.
The only probvlem is no market demand for new, expensive systems and charging plans. Pay-per-route can't work as long as you get free routing from your $100 navigation devices with voice commands.

Darius

Re: Biggest Disappointment: Nav Software

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Originally Posted by Darius2006 (Post 99448)

Ok. MaemoMapper is great great great application, great implementation.
Unfortunately it works with Google/MS/Yahoo/ OSM maps downloaded from the Internet and out free access to maps can be restricted or cut off any time.

Just a clarification here....

Technically, OpenStreetMap is the only officially supported map source for Maemo Mapper, and it is free, and my communications with them have implied that they will always be available freely for use by Maemo Mapper. Maemo Mapper complies with OpenStreetMap's license and is not infringing on their copyright.

Re: Biggest Disappointment: Nav Software

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Originally Posted by gnuite (Post 100392)

Thanks.
Does it mean using Maemo Mapper with Google/MS/Yahoo maps
can infringe on their respective copyrights ?

Darius

Re: Biggest Disappointment: Nav Software

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Originally Posted by Darius2006 (Post 100453)

Thanks.
Does it mean using Maemo Mapper with Google/MS/Yahoo maps
can infringe on their respective copyrights ?

Read the Maemo Mapper License:

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Maemo Mapper is released under the terms and conditions outlined in the GPL.

Also, to (hopefully) cover my own butt legally, use of this software requires and implies that you agree that you understand that using Maemo Mapper to download maps from a commercial map repository may be considered a violation of copyright law and that John Costigan cannot be held responsible for any of your actions related thereto.

So yes, if YOU use it with commercial repositories then YOU are violating their copyright. It has nothing to do with Maemo Mapper, it's all on your shoulders Darius. Shall we notify them about you? ;)

Re: Biggest Disappointment: Nav Software

Is it me or is there no way to have any street names visible in 3D view? I've zoomed and zoomed and zoomed...

Re: Biggest Disappointment: Nav Software

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Originally Posted by Moonshine (Post 100470)

Is it me or is there no way to have any street names visible in 3D view? I've zoomed and zoomed and zoomed...

They appear as you approach them as I recall.

Re: Biggest Disappointment: Nav Software

Darius,
Whatever you say. But it doesn't change the quite common opinion that TT navigation software runs rings about most other efforts, with the exception of certain special cases where some of the others have an advantage. And TT has been working well on cell phones for quite a while (in fact a little too good, they're moved most of the effort there to the disadvantage of PDA users). And I still don't believe that ..developing 3D generation navigation systems isn't .. complicated. (Edit: For a moment there I thought you meant 3D, as in 3 dimensional view as in TT and others, I assume you meant 3rd generation. My comment still holds I think.) If it were true, everybody would be doing it. And they aren't. I've seen so many high-prized, big, good-looking, but badly working navigation systems. From the built-in, $3500 systems of cars to Hertz Neverlost (more known as Everlost): They are not good. There are very few good navigation systems on the market, at least when you look outside some single specific attribute.

Re: Biggest Disappointment: Nav Software

Dang, I was downloading maps for West USA and it kept stopping at different points saying something like "Unable to download map" (I have 1.7 Gig free on the internal card). I exited the program eventually after trying for hours. The program wouldn't start up after this point. It just goes white for about 10 seconds and then back to the hildon desktop. So, I unloaded "Map" from the application manager, thinking I could just re-install it. But, it's not there.

Any thoughts where I can re-download the map software again? :confused: