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ragnar 2009-08-18 14:21

Re: What do community members hope to see from Nokia?
 
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Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 312692)
While I can certainly see your points, they dwell on worst case extremes to the exclusion of a reasonable middle. Proper management can mitigate the risks.

I kind of fail to see how those risks would be mitigated by "proper management". Could you elaborate on that a bit?

sjgadsby 2009-08-18 14:21

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Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 312692)
...I have a difficult time understanding why, in this forum, honest and objective questions are commonly met with extreme scenarios in answer, particularly worst-case extremes.

Perhaps programmers have a tendency, by nature or nurture, to immediately look for the corner cases that will break an algorithm. I blame big O.

lemmyslender 2009-08-18 14:30

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If people know what *may* be coming in general terms, some will hold off and buy later some will buy now. Rumors do the same thing. Lack of information does the same thing. I personally don't want to get caught in the situation of just having bought a device only to find out that days later a new better (for me) device from the same manufacturer just launched.

There are examples of manufacturers releasing hardware roadmaps to give both developers and consumers some idea of what is coming (this despite competitors)

Intel including 2010
Intel
AMD info including 2011
AMD

Article about Samsung releasing 3 phones this year with LG comments
Samsung

So obviously, some companies are willing to entice customers and developers alike with some information about the future. It doesn't have to be detailed.

Texrat 2009-08-18 14:44

Re: What do community members hope to see from Nokia?
 
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Originally Posted by ragnar (Post 312696)
I kind of fail to see how those risks would be mitigated by "proper management". Could you elaborate on that a bit?

For part of the answer I'll defer to lemmyslander's post above. I think he gets what I'm talking about.

"Proper management" is a broad term but again, if it's examined objectively (pretend you're not a Nokia employee for a moment ;)) then one can start to see specific solutions. As has been mentioned numerous times and driven home by one poster very recently, consumer retention is the single biggest part of it. If a company can cultivate rabid consumer loyalty, it need not fear the negative aspects of revealing any sort of high-level hardware roadmap. As lemmy pointed out, some companies are doing it and succeeding. A general roadmap need not be a risk. I do suspect though that when one becomes so, odds are it's part of a self-fulfilling prophecy.

debernardis 2009-08-18 14:45

Re: What do community members hope to see from Nokia?
 
I only wish to know what is the rx-71. Sigh.

Texrat 2009-08-18 14:45

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:eek:
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Originally Posted by sjgadsby (Post 312697)
Perhaps programmers have a tendency, by nature or nurture, to immediately look for the corner cases that will break an algorithm. I blame big O.

You blame orgasms??? :eek:

Well... I think I can see that. :D

lemmyslender 2009-08-18 15:23

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Texrat, I think we understand each other on this.

If for instance I am a Samsung fan, and I am looking for a new phone, based on the fact they are releasing android phones this year, I am apt to wait to see their offerings. If that information isn't public, I start looking at other options and Samsung looses a sale.

With Nokia, I don't think that the RX-51 is what I'm looking for, so I am looking at alternatives. If I buy an alternative and the RX-51 would have been OK, I'll be upset, but I won't rush out to buy one. I also have no idea if the RX-71 would be what I'm looking for, IF it ever makes it to production. If I knew it was going to be a tablet form factor, I would probably wait for more details before making a purchase. With no info available on the RX-71 it currently isn't a consideration.

A high level roadmap, even if vague, has value as a marketing/advertising tool in addition to (or in lieu of) traditional advertising.

GeneralAntilles 2009-08-18 16:16

Re: What do community members hope to see from Nokia?
 
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Originally Posted by ragnar (Post 312687)
Peter's third point I think many people are perhaps missing: "And lastly, you always need to balance early excitement versus influencing your existing sales." You don't want to publish the next greatest thing since sliced bread too early, because then people will start to wait for it and not want to buy current devices. The next thing is usually always better. That's why we do next things.

Book publishers love to do this. They mail out preview copies to reviewers 8 months before the street date, people come flooding in to buy it when they read the review in the paper and then completely forget about it when the book is finally released.

Of course, the flip side is waiting 2 years between hardware releases and forcing your users to go elsewhere. . . .

GeneralAntilles 2009-08-18 16:19

Re: What do community members hope to see from Nokia?
 
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Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 312692)
On a somewhat side note, I have a difficult time understanding why, in this forum, honest and objective questions are commonly met with extreme scenarios in answer, particularly worst-case extremes. This creates a culture of pessimism. Where is the "can-do" spirit? Where is the motivation to defy negative prospects and exceed expectations? Why the acceptance of defeat? :(

Well, Nokia has managed to very effectively beat any and all optimism out of me, so, I have my reason. ;)

Texrat 2009-08-18 16:36

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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 312745)
Well, Nokia has managed to very effectively beat any and all optimism out of me, so, I have my reason. ;)

And your example may well be indicative of the general trend (if one truly exists; I have no quantification).

But it gets to root of my goal here. I have challenged myself to package and present to Nokia what has gone wrong and what can/should be done to effect tangible and productive community engagement. I get the feeling that many see such dialog as futile but I am a very stubborn pragmaticist and facilitator. :D


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