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ossipena 2009-09-22 15:39
Re: Closed Source Packages in Maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by korbé (Post 331529)
@qgil: A businessplan?
...
- Nokia creates innovative features with hardware that copyists Chinese fail to imitate before Nokia did so the following model.
i don't like using this acronym, but LOL! in todays world your utopia is pretty much impossible.

and nokia does business, not charity. creating fully open source media player for maemo would be really huge donation (of money & resources) to every manufacturer using maemo in their devices. plain economics and pure competition. Usain Bolt doesn't do cartwheels during 100m sprint, does he?

korbé 2009-09-22 15:42
Re: Closed Source Packages in Maemo
 
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Originally Posted by allnameswereout (Post 331557)
Keep your eagle eyes on development of Mer for N900... :)
It's noted. :)

korbé 2009-09-22 15:47
Re: Closed Source Packages in Maemo
 
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Originally Posted by ossipena (Post 331565)
i don't like using this acronym, but LOL! in todays world your utopia is pretty much impossible.

and nokia does business, not charity. creating fully open source media player for maemo would be really huge donation (of money & resources) to every manufacturer using maemo in their devices. plain economics and pure competition. Usain Bolt doesn't do cartwheels during 100m sprint, does he?
-_-'

No need to create a media player from A to Z: if it is a FOSS, Nokia may use the source code to other FOSS.

SpeedEvil 2009-09-22 15:49
Re: Closed Source Packages in Maemo
 
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Originally Posted by ragnar (Post 331561)
Then differentiating with hardware becomes very very hard. The Nokia black box might have better materials and might be one millimeter thinner, but our worthy competitors can do something nearly identical. OEM manufacturers already can do hardware that is virtually identical to brand name hardware.
And it's not only better hardware, but also 'worse'.

A buzz arises out of maemo5, and you get hardware coming out with a similar sized screen with half the resolution, a smaller processor, no FM, a mediochre camera, as someone making a '3g' mobile in china has stuck maemo5 on it instead of their normal OS.

But at half the price.

Suddenly many potential users start wondering if they can actually see the difference between 320dpi and 160dpi, and if they in fact need the shiny, if they can run all the apps that run on the 'proper' version.

allnameswereout 2009-09-22 15:56
Re: Portrait mode use cases
 
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Originally Posted by korbé (Post 331559)
Canonical make proprietary software:
- UbuntuOne (sever side).
apt-get source ubuntuone-client
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- Landscape.
apt-get source landscape-client got me the source.
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- Launchpad is remained longtime proprietary.
..yeah, but... not anymore. Linux kernel was also once proprietary. Same for Sun Java.

That server for Landscape and/or Ubuntuone are not open source means nothing. When I surf WWW I get HTML spewed by closed source PHP code. Doesn't mean my OS is suddenly running closed source software. I mean... do you use MSN? MSN server software is closed source. Does that make your Debian running only free software and a MSN client suddenly running closed source or proprietary software? No way. It does use a reverse engineered proprietary protocol, and the server software is indeed proprietary. But that doesn't make you run proprietary software.

So actually... your examples suck... :o

allnameswereout 2009-09-22 16:01
Re: Closed Source Packages in Maemo
 
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Originally Posted by ossipena (Post 331565)
and nokia does business, not charity. creating fully open source media player for maemo would be really huge donation (of money & resources) to every manufacturer using maemo in their devices.
Barring the ideologic reasoning is there any other reason why media player open source is in advantage of Maemo users?

SpeedEvil 2009-09-22 16:06
Re: Closed Source Packages in Maemo
 
Being able to use codecs that nokia cannot legally distribute.
I have questions if this is a widespread draw though.

qwerty12 2009-09-22 16:09
Re: Closed Source Packages in Maemo
 
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Originally Posted by SpeedEvil (Post 331586)
Being able to use codecs that nokia cannot legally distribute.
I have questions if this is a widespread draw though.
Wouldn't this be a thing for the backend that it uses? I believe that (MAFW) is open source.

Tuomas Kulve did a good job with this (adding ogg-support to Diablo's media player) and he seems to have done it again.

daperl 2009-09-22 16:27
Re: Closed Source Packages in Maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by allnameswereout (Post 331584)
Barring the ideologic reasoning is there any other reason why media player open source is in advantage of Maemo users?
Yes, 'cause I'll want to change it. I don't want to brainstorm, I just want to change it.

Architengi 2009-09-22 16:44
Re: Closed Source Packages in Maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by korbé (Post 331529)
@qgil: A businessplan?
- Nokia creates innovative features with hardware that copyists Chinese fail to imitate before Nokia did so the following model.
- Nokia make Maemo 100% FOSS than other manufacturer can use and evolve it. Plus there will be a contributor to different horizon for Maemo, better it will be
Not worth the financial investment and years of development, just to give away the software for other companies to use it from the day of the release.


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