Re: The Testing is half empty
 

my personal frustrations with the process come because i promote to extras tesing to get broader feedback since most people are told not to go near devel.
but that doesn't mean i'm proposing that version to promote up.
i found that the first couple of times I promoted to extras-testing people gave thums up others gave feedback. i worked on andifxed issues, made more improvements, promote the next version...lose all vote history, each time i go round the cycle the program gets better but it recieves fewer votes/interest. there is no distinction between 'try and give feedback' versus 'i think it's ready for extras please vote'

Re: The Testing is half empty
 

I guess it makes no sense to argue beyond this point. No way you can persuade me that giving red button to a petty maniac is good.

Re: The Testing is half empty
 

Don't know if this changed during the server move(I've to ask), but should be here: http://trac.midgard-project.org/brow...maemo.packages

Re: The Testing is half empty
 

Don't know about his plans, but the ones that I'm talking about were agreed through several discussions and after that we had a meeting at the IRC(far far away :)), you were there AFAIR :) . Of course we also need Neils input on that.

Re: The Testing is half empty
 

i said nothing about making the thumbs down red. It is unfortunate that you can't give up the misconceptions you got from jumping in the thread late, but forunately for you we're actually both interested in the same outcome.

It does bring the thread (finally) back to the initial question, but now it appears there is even stranger discrepancies between the agreed process and the actual one. Why hasn't something as simple and useful as reducing the promotion karma to 5 been done? Changing one number in the code...

Re: The Testing is half empty
 

Yes, I remember the meeting. But I do not seem to remember any of the points proposed by Flandry agreed at that meeting. This is kinda troubling, too.

Re: The Testing is half empty
 

Well can't do anything about this, but he can (and should) give his opinion and propose improvements.

Just fixed the link above, now points directly to the package interface code.

Re: The Testing is half empty
 

It probably predates that meeting, and is marked "not final": http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing...OT_FINAL_FIXME

If no longer actually part of the testing plan as discussed at said IRC meeting (which transcripts would be nice to see), that section should be removed by someone who is privvy to the information.

It seems the most sensible way to make sure every app is given at least a good testing (as opposed to the present system where it can be resolved entirely by popular vote), but that would mean giving those creepy weird careful tester people some specific tester status.

Nobody has given a sensible counter to that including you, who just seem to be bothered by those who will apply literally a set of guidelines.

Re: The Testing is half empty
 

Here is a summary of the possible improvements: http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing...A_Improvements

This was not discussed yet with the maemo.org tema, and is far from final, feel free to suggest some improvements.

Re: The Testing is half empty
 

Can we look at the Debian project to get some ideas?

In Maemo, there is one thing that bothers me sometimes: the overreaction of people when someone points to a link in extras-testing or extras-devel. The you-will-be-eaten-by-dragons stuff.

I use Debian testing as my stable desktop. Of course there are hip-cups sometimes, but that's part of the game that I'm willing to play.

What if instead of all that overreaction, people could be asked some simple question: "Do you think you can troubleshoot, re-flash your device and restore your backup if anything goes wrong?"

1) "Yes"->extras-devel
2) "Maybe, if I follow a re-flash guide"->extra-testing
3) "I don't know what you are talking about" -> stay on extras only

maybe more people would show up, but they would be warned in a positive and constructive way.