Re: Say NO! to Qt-based Maemo!
 

That's basically what it is, at the end of the day. This is an open ecosystem, use the tools you want to use. You're not being forced into anything.

Re: Say NO! to Qt-based Maemo!
 

Let me introduce you the 2k+ programming: http://live.gnome.org/Vala

Re: Say NO! to Qt-based Maemo!
 

This, I think, is what many of us want to do, but are afraid that we won't be able to "shape the tools" let alone "make things happen."

Re: Say NO! to Qt-based Maemo!
 

Typo.
Also, i know what they do. I code qt and have nothing against that. Just pointed out that admiral is ok to accept them, while claiming other tools and layers of abstraction are bad at the same time (because they exist, not based on what they achieve)
C++ also started as a c++ -> c compiler in some implementations..

Re: Say NO! to Qt-based Maemo!
 

Have you actually tried? I've now gotten three patches into Qt the past month, two via talking to Qt developers about my concerns, one via submitting a merge request on Gitorious.

Visit #qt-labs on freenode sometime. They don't bite.

Re: Say NO! to Qt-based Maemo!
 

Try doing that with the Linux kernel developers!

Re: Say NO! to Qt-based Maemo!
 

Jokes aside, I'm sure it's quite possible to work with them, if you know what you're doing, and more importantly, you're willing to work to a high standard.

A lot of the time, the second point isn't something that people realise. They do something to add/change a pet point of theirs, which is great (scratch the itch and all), but to make that palatable to other people, you need to understand that your itch needs to apply to everyone else, too.

An example from my own personal experience was many years ago when I wanted a patch to fix an issue I encountered with an IRC client. I sent it in, and it didn't make it in. I realise (with hindsight) that my solution fixed *my* case but broke other cases, and that's why it wasn't acceptable.

Not everyone has standards that are that high, but to be honest, for something as critical as the library so much software is developed on (Qt) or something like the kernel which is even more mission critical, I'm willing to accept that there *will* be a few hoops to jump through if I want to get my itch scratched.

Re: Say NO! to Qt-based Maemo!
 

The QT discussion is small compared with the RPM.. For me i was a bit sad to hear QT was coming as i dislike KDE.. but can live with it. I am not a developer and the discussions about this have been very educational. This is just programs though.. I can choose to run QT apps or not.

My fear are the switch from Debian to the Moblin way of doing.. It might not be a hugh thing (i hope so).. but here is where i draw the line. I am a debian fanboy and will stay like that. I will never follow on to the rpm way of doing.. i did rpm before and it made me sick. Great we have the Moebian project.

Re: Say NO! to Qt-based Maemo!
 

another gnome only ****? I hate gnome for their support of mono, that's enough for me.

Re: Say NO! to Qt-based Maemo!
 

Don't let KDE cloud your judgement on QT.
They just so happen to use QT as the underlying library.