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jakiman 2010-05-01 22:12
Re: Ari Jaaksi begging to be kicked
 
Why can't they have weekly or even monthly "builds" available for rest of us to test. (for those who are willing to reflash often)
Wish they had a hotfix system in place so you can just install the hotfix which fixes a certain bug. (like Microsoft...)

Just release Beta/RC builds and put them up in a unstable repository and for those who are installing, just show a BIG warning sign saying this is UNSTABLE prior to the install. Super easy. That's what they are doing internally, why not do it for the techy guys out here who are willing to also try and test their so called "beta/rc" builds.

We all know PR1.2 will also have lots of bugs and spawn many more enhancement requests. So just release it and let us help report any bugs as we are going to do it even when their "fully tested" gets released anyways.

Texrat 2010-05-01 22:12
Re: Ari Jaaksi begging to be kicked
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by efekt (Post 636894)
TBH Texrat, Anarae does have a valid point there - if this phone is for developers, and considering the fact that MeeGo in its current state IS available for the N900, why can't we "test" PR 1.2 too?
I mean, we're "good enough" to be able to install and use MeeGo (which I don't have to remind you - currently has no UI and missing lots of basic functionalities) but we're not "good enough" to test a simple update?

Unless of course, PR 1.2 does bring something more than "just an update", which in this case Nokia would want it to be released only on certain terms and conditions, which Nokia decided that will happen on a very certain occation...
I'm not disputing the validity of that point. I'm pointing out the folly of lambasting this forum over Nokia business decisions.

I just can't wait for the 3000 "WTF???? This is IT???" posts from the exact same people screaming for it now.

Aranel 2010-05-01 22:14
Re: Ari Jaaksi begging to be kicked
 
Hmm, maybe I'm not understanding it correctly or just too ignorant because I was not even aware about Maemo's presence before N900. But, I think accepting something bad (yes, it is bad. It is a old habit comes from closed softwares, there's no place for this kind of behaviour on open software, imho) just because Nokia wants is not my way to do things.

If there's a really meaningful reason for Nokia's decisions about this topic (I think It should not be Nokia's decision, anyway..) I would not interrupt. I don't think it's a healthy thing to accept anything unreasonable, just because some guy/company thinks it is better.

Maybe I'll walk away. to Mer, not Android I'm sure, or any other alternative if it's possible. Time will show. Thanks to you for your honest opinions on this topic :)

gryedouge 2010-05-01 22:14
Re: Ari Jaaksi begging to be kicked
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 636892)
You'd think PR1.2 was the Holy Grail.
Tex...right now, the vast majority of posters consider PR1.2 the Holy Grail... ;)

fatalsaint 2010-05-01 22:14
Re: Ari Jaaksi begging to be kicked
 
The only valid complaint I can see is that IF (thats an if there) PR1.2 for HK is the real PR 1.2 - Nokia can't release a flashable image of it on the website.

If it's not out of testing yet, that's fine - the people that need the OTA updates can wait until it's to that point; people who don't mind reflashing their device and losing their settings can toy with PR1.2

BUT - Screaming, yelling, pissing, moaning on this Maemo forum isn't going to change a damn thing. Call and complain to Nokia Customer Service if you want.. they actually get paid to babysit people all day.

Texrat 2010-05-01 22:15
Re: Ari Jaaksi begging to be kicked
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gryedouge (Post 636901)
Tex...right now, the vast majority of screaming posters consider PR1.2 the Holy Grail... ;)
Fixed for you. ;)

Texrat 2010-05-01 22:17
Re: Ari Jaaksi begging to be kicked
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by fatalsaint (Post 636902)
The only valid complaint I can see is that IF (thats an if there) PR1.2 for HK is the real PR 1.2 - Nokia can't release a flashable image of it on the website.

If it's not out of testing yet, that's fine - the people that need the OTA updates can wait until it's to that point; people who don't mind reflashing their device and losing their settings can toy with PR1.2
May very well be a localization issue. Remember, the N900 is just now launched there. Maybe emphasis was placed on getting the PR1.2 image for Hong Kong done first due to the launch. Just speculating.

fatalsaint 2010-05-01 22:20
Re: Ari Jaaksi begging to be kicked
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 636908)
May very well be a localization issue. Remember, the N900 is just now launched there. Maybe emphasis was placed on getting the PR1.2 image for Hong Kong done first due to the launch. Just speculating.
Which makes sense of course. I'm not saying there can't be reasons.

That's why I'm not one of the ones running around screaming my PR1.2 isn't here. In fact the N900 has been perfectly fine for me.. I'm a little anxious for the new QT to use the SDK toolkit but other than that.. meh.

My phone isn't my life.. it seems that's a rarity around here though.

gryedouge 2010-05-01 22:24
Re: Ari Jaaksi begging to be kicked
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 636905)
Fixed for you. ;)
:rolleyes: Silly me...yes, i forgot the operative word 'screaming'... :D ... are we to expect a crusade soon as well?

AlMehdi 2010-05-01 22:33
Re: Ari Jaaksi begging to be kicked
 
This is the only problem i have with Maemo.. It do things a little bit different than the normal Linux way. Thus they are not using the full potential of using linux as base. They need to learn how to involve the community better.. and i think they will. They are the company that have come furthest with that as for now.

I can really understand why they don't let "everyone" test the RC before it is released. Just look how the extras-devel are being used by ppl that should not use it.

I do hope they change their mind on how they make their release in future upgrades.

(And Anarea please stop beeing so negative about things..) ;)


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