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Re: [Petition] For Nokia to Open 100% of the Closed Components in Maemo 5/n900

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Originally Posted by nosa101 (Post 703758)

Didn't see the poll until now

That would be my fault, didn't add it until just now :o

Re: [Petition] For Nokia to Open 100% of the Closed Components in Maemo 5/n900

We already had this discussion. Main points: Nokia applications are closed source and it's more important we spend time opening as much regarding the hardware interfacing parts as needed so we can bring a proper MeeGo on to the devices.

Nokia's stance on their applications: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=532930&postcount=8

Discussions: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=688409 (from Master of Gizmo's proposal at post 17 and down)

I'd like to remind everyone of the licensing change requests queue: http://wiki.maemo.org/Open_developme...hange_requests

As a personal question to people here: Did you know that the e-mail client of Maemo5 is called Modest and is open source? Have you submitted any patches or contributed to it? That the RSS reader is open source? That Marbles, Chess and Mahjong games are open source? That the PDF reader is? That the X-terminal is? That the Hildon Desktop is?

There's nothing more sad than spending several manhours on open sourcing an application and hearing the sound of crickets when it does arrive. Noone contributing to improve it. How about we make targetted requests and show who's ready to contribute if something was open sourced instead? And also, most of you are going to stop caring about Maemo5 when real MeeGo comes around, even on another device. History clearly shows that.

If you want 100% open source (by that, I mean the platform excluding some hardware adaptation bits), go help out in MeeGo. Make reference / open source applications that are -better- than what Nokia can come up with. I bet you can.

Re: [Petition] For Nokia to Open 100% of the Closed Components in Maemo 5/n900

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Originally Posted by Stskeeps (Post 703763)

As a personal question to people here: Did you know that the e-mail client of Maemo5 is called Modest and is open source? Have you submitted any patches or contributed to it?
.

THIS

Considering a lot of people have issues with Modest, surely some special fellow could help with this.
http://modest.garage.maemo.org/

Re: [Petition] For Nokia to Open 100% of the Closed Components in Maemo 5/n900

@Stskeeps - thanks alot for weighing in here. I wasn't aware that these discussions had already taken place.

As I stated in my initial disclaimer, I am not a dev and know very little about coding. But I am learning more every day and contributing where I can (even if it is just starting an active discussion here) My primary concern is opening the platform in a way that bugs can be resolved more quickly by the community rather than semi-annually in massive Nokia firmware updates.

I am also somewhat concerned at this point about Meego, as it will not be officially supported and the handset UX is not due for sometime. Not to mention we all bought the device with Maemo and may prefer to stick with it even if Meego is fully functional.

Re: [Petition] For Nokia to Open 100% of the Closed Components in Maemo 5/n900

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Originally Posted by cfh11 (Post 703790)

I am also somewhat concerned at this point about Meego, as it will not be officially supported and the handset UX is not due for sometime. Not to mention we all bought the device with Maemo and may prefer to stick with it even if Meego is fully functional.

There's a perfectly functional community SSU for the N8x0's, same model can be used on Maemo5. Handset UX development should be opened sometime this month, as far as I know. Reminder: this is not the same as a release.

Re: [Petition] For Nokia to Open 100% of the Closed Components in Maemo 5/n900

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Originally Posted by wmarone (Post 703726)

Intel maintains profitability by pumping out chips like nobody's business. Effectively, the same thing could be said for Nokia, who sells handsets.

Yes.
Basically, Nokia gains money from selling hardware, not software.
They would lose nothing by releasing all of the source code.

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Originally Posted by wmarone (Post 703726)

They could totally offset the open sourcing of their software by offering services to owners of Nokia branded devices, the catch would be getting around the incompetence that is interfering with their services delivery for the N900.

Exactly my point.
Still, the N900 was only an "experiment" from them.
If they can learn from its mistakes, the next tablet product will be a success.

Re: [Petition] For Nokia to Open 100% of the Closed Components in Maemo 5/n900

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Originally Posted by Stskeeps (Post 703791)

There's a perfectly functional community SSU for the N8x0's, same model can be used on Maemo5.

Now we're talking. If we could get minor fixes on a monthly or bi-monthly basis I would be more than satisfied.

I just have a problem with huge firmware updates that have only been QA tested internally @Nokia. Invariably, once released to the community more bugs will be discovered. Now, if they were released more frequently, this would be less of an issue.

And yes, I am aware of the irony of hijacking my own thread. :cool:

Re: [Petition] For Nokia to Open 100% of the Closed Components in Maemo 5/n900

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Originally Posted by nosa101 (Post 703554)

At the end of the day, Nokia is still a business and I doubt they'd want a closed source competitor snatch up some proprietary code in the name of being open source.

Even if there's an NDA, look at the Ovi Suite Beta thing. Some people just don't know when to STFU.

Maybe sharing some closed code with some trusted developers like they are doing on the MeeGo project.

Yeah, I don't know how anyone can break the almighty NDA.. oh wait that was sarcasm. You agree to it just like you agree to EULAs. But besides that.. there isn't much to talk about with the Ovi Suite Beta.. unless I'm missing something (never really used the original).

Anyhow, I will agree that it would be great if we could have a 100% open source phone, but I just don't see it happening. It's more likely that nVidia would publish specs to their video cards...

slaapliedje

Re: [Petition] For Nokia to Open 100% of the Closed Components in Maemo 5/n900

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Originally Posted by nosa101 (Post 703709)

But this hasn't been proven. I might be ignorant but I do not recall any company that has gone the open source route and remained competitive.

Redhat?

Novell?

Re: [Petition] For Nokia to Open 100% of the Closed Components in Maemo 5/n900

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Originally Posted by uTMY (Post 703837)

Redhat?

Novell?

"I might be ignorant"

"I do not recall"

#carryon