Re: Oracle sues Google over Java patent infringement in Android
 

Maybe they should both stop using Linux altogether, too, since SCO is still in court over it! It's still not 100% decided, according to them. It's time to Think Different (grammar mistake intentional)!

Re: Oracle sues Google over Java patent infringement in Android
 

This sorta could explain why Nokia avoided Java in Maemo 5. Hmm...

Re: Oracle sues Google over Java patent infringement in Android
 

If not Linux, then what?

I triple dog dare you to say BeOS.

Re: Oracle sues Google over Java patent infringement in Android
 

How about VAX/VMS?

Re: Oracle sues Google over Java patent infringement in Android
 

Plan 9 from Bell Labs. It's esoteric enough to warrant a following and claims of superiority.

Seriously though. I fear that Linux is the way forward; people like Ellison/Oracle and SCO are just in the goshdarn way.

Re: Oracle sues Google over Java patent infringement in Android
 

I'm dying to read a statement from Nokia and/or Intel about this. Both official and unofficial :D

Re: Oracle sues Google over Java patent infringement in Android
 

I think the 'scoracle' tag on this thread and the villianization of Oracle points more to a huge level of Google fanboyism on this forum. Everyone seems to be intoxicated by Google PR spin while they don't for a second consider the legal validity of the suit. Oracle is not attacking Linux. Android is not Linux despite popular belief. Android has not been benificial to the broader Linux ecosystem since none of their apps and games work in standard Linux due to their private fork of the kernel and their use of a Java (Dalvik) VM. They are the opposite of what Qt is.

Here's a quote from a commenter on ZDNet that sums it up:

"If you read the claim, it is valid. Mobile Java has never been open source, only the desktop version is, and even that has some loop-holes.

We have been thinking this law suit was going to happen since Andriod came out: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/burnette/s...-overblown/469
but people shrugged it off because Sun didn't have the money to do anything about it. Well Oracle does, and something tells me that they wouldn't go after a big dog like Google without knowing they could win.

Here is a good article on how the creator of Java feels about the lawsuit (spoiler he is not surprised): http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Application-Development/Java-Creator-Gosling-Oracles-Android-Lawsuit-is-No-Surprise-272156/"

Re: Oracle sues Google over Java patent infringement in Android
 

I know nothing of the law and am far from a Google zealot, but an original re-implementation of an interpreter doesn't seem like an illegal act. I could only see this as a problem if Dalvik has actual moblie-java code...

If it is illegal, the precedent would send a shockwave, no? Consider the degree to which ideas are re-implemented in open source projects or science in general!

Maybe I'm missing something.

Re: Oracle sues Google over Java patent infringement in Android
 

You can read the claims here http://www.scribd.com/full/35862614?...xtgo6ryhusdwps

Re: Oracle sues Google over Java patent infringement in Android
 

Thanks! I read most of it (though not terribly thoroughly).

I can appreciate the claim that google is illegally distributing Sun Java classes and other code is serious, if indeed it is true (Count 8).

Many of the patents that Sun are claiming to be violating, however, seem incredibly sweeping (based on their titles -- I've not read the patents) and likely to apply to far more projects than Android/Dalvik. Some are questionable. Here they are:

COUNT 1) Protection domains to provide security in a computer system
COUNT 2) Controlling access to a resource
COUNT 3) Method and apparatus for preprocessing and packaging class files
COUNT 4) System and method for dynamic pre-loading of classes through memory space cloning of a master runtime system process
COUNT 5) Method and apparatus for resolving data references in generated code
COUNT 6) Interpreting functions utilizing a hybrid of virtual and native machine instructions
COUNT 7) Method and system for performing static initialization

Wild stuff indeed.