Re: Proposed handover of maemo.org from Nokia should be discussed before people vote
 

We'll have to wait the dust to settle a bit to know how much time the actual day-to-day maintenance will take under this setup. But whatever development happens on top of that, the current proposal is to let the council set the priorities.

There have also been questions about letting the community to be involved in development work. Actually, this has always been possible, as every part of maemo.org has been developed as open source, using normal project hosting services (Midgard repos for components, Garage for templates, config, etc). But hopefully the new setup will make that more visible and accessible to interested community members.

Re: Proposed handover of maemo.org from Nokia should be discussed before people vote
 

We should be reasonably safe on that aspect as our maemo.org team is split across a few different cities and countries. So at least it'll require quite a bit of effort and coordination from multiple different bus companies. And still then we may get warned ahead by my buscatcher app ;)

Re: Proosed handover of maemo.org from Nokia should be discussed before people vote
 

I share those concerns and posted such in another thread...

I applaud SD69's desire to hit the ground running on this.

In keeping with the topic of this thread I believe you and all the current candidates have the ability to be results orientated and productive when given all the facts.
In reality though, facts seldom come to us and to be productive one must actively seek them out.

SD's thread and your response indicates to me that you both possess the sense of urgency required to collect these facts and I know I will vote accordingly. :)

Re: Proposed handover of maemo.org from Nokia should be discussed before people vote
 

As said, in the short term very little changes. More conversations (almost certainly on maemo-community, which is where all the stakeholders are) will be continuing next week.

This is primarily a chance to come up with new prioritisation & planning processes, so that clear responsibilities can be assigned and tasks completed in a timely and efficient manner.

For all the hand wringing about if(/when) Nokia pull the plug, or Nemein go bankrupt/don't want the work/get hit by a bus, the community will have to step up, or the infrastructure will die. It's a simple choice.

One could imagine Reggie could continue talk.maemo.org as an advertising funded site (although whether the adverts would cover the costs of hosting the forum now is an interesting question), as it used to be as ITT.

However, the rest of the infrastructure (you want software? pfft) has seen little interest from members of the community willing to step up and provide code. So we'd be looking at raising cash. And probably quite a bit.

Anyway, that's not going to happen anytime soon, and Nokia have given as much of a commitment as they can as to the future of maemo.org.

Re: Proposed handover of maemo.org from Nokia should be discussed before people vote
 

Well, since all the stakeholders are on maemo-community, I hope you have fun with it!

Re: Proposed handover of maemo.org from Nokia should be discussed before people vote
 

<sigh />.

If you haven't the time to be involved there, that's why you elect a Council. Nokia - who pay the bills are there; Nemein - who is paid to maintain the site, are there; the paid staff (Dave, Andre & Niels) are there.

What do you want to happen? Everyone to decamp here, despite most of the people who'd actually participate finding that pushed email works slightly better for archived, searchable, threaded, workable discussions?

A forum<->email bridge is coming, see the recent meeting minutes for the latest update from Reggie on that. (And it looks like there'll be a fun opportunity for lots of people to contribute in its development!)

Re: Proosed handover of maemo.org from Nokia should be discussed before people vote
 

At 15:30, it seems that the handover was already discussed between Nokia and Nemein, before Nokia approached Council. So the handover is a done deal I guess, or is there to be feedback from community to Nokia?

Re: Proosed handover of maemo.org from Nokia should be discussed before people vote
 

It would be very weird if they hadn't discussed about it before making decisions or even proposals about it.

ps. We have elected body to represent the community to Nokia...

Re: Proosed handover of maemo.org from Nokia should be discussed before people vote
 

You don't want the community to be in complete control of the resources allocated to maemo.org? Surely it's a no-brainer, and the discussions on the result of that will be continuing, in public, next week.

Re: Proposed handover of maemo.org from Nokia should be discussed before people vote
 

No, I wish you well, as I said. It seems clear to me that the people on this site have never been running things, and now, Nemein, which it is clear most people here have never heard of, and didn't realize it wasn't a person but a group, is a lot closer to running things than we are.

So, you've been doing a pretty good job, I think; I just think it's funny when you seem to claim this site is something pretending to be a democracy when it's clear that the key decisions are not made by people here and never have been.

So, carry on. You have my blessing.