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Re: Winners and losers

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Originally Posted by ericsson (Post 949462)

Also remember what happened to the google phone, DOA, people didn,t like it even though it was high end specs and "pure" Android, they would much rather have HTC and Samsung.

Which "pure" Android phone are you talking about that people didn't like? There have been several reference devices that have had the "pure Google experience", if that's what you mean. Like the G1, The Droid, The Nexus 1, the Nexus S and the Xoom. Soooooo... which one is it that the people didn't like? I'm not sure that any of them were disliked. For that matter, the Nexus 1 was made by HTC and the Nexus S was made by Samsung, sooooo... yeeaah... what the hell are you talking about? heh

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Originally Posted by stickymick (Post 948594)

If things do take a drastic turn it would be a shame to see Nokia go down with those two berks at the controls.

Agreed. Also--you TOTALLY just outed yourself as a Brit by calling them berks. :) Most people around the world would have NO idea what that means (or the history of the term). Luckily, I watch IT Crowd and I had to try looking it up. heh.. classic.

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Originally Posted by ericsson (Post 949154)

I am starting to get fed up with this nonsense.
What planet is this dude living on?

Nokia going WP is hardly mentioned in the news outside the bubbles of the tech media involved in mobile phones. 95% of the current Nokia owners don't care and don't know. Of the 5% that do now, only 5% care.

In less than a year, all the 3-400 millions of Symbian owners (Nokia smartphone owners) will see a better UI on the new Nokia phones. A UI that is smooth, and with services that are equally smoothly integrated. Does it run WP? of course it does. Do the 95% of the current Symbian users care? No. WP, Symbian, MeeGo, Android, it doesn't matter.

First--you're wrong. That Nokia+Microsoft love-in was plastered all over the financial papers (yes, even in the US) and then all over the mainstream press (albeit as small news) and, near as I can tell from walking around the ordinary Luddite mendicants that meander our streets and shopping centers, I can tell you that most of them don't care (I rarely.. RAAARELY see a Nokia device at all anymore) and of the people that I bother to grace with my presence and speech, they appear to be aware of what happened but they were far too happy with their current iPhone, Android, etc. to really "give a f___" about it, since it doesn't concern them.

It would seem, then, that even in the outliers of Nokia's influence, people seem to know about what happened and really don't care. So you're about half-right.. but that also made you half-wrong. :)

Re: Winners and losers

@danramos. As far as I'm concerned (and the rest of the world) you are from the land of enslaved phone users, tied up on on hands and feets, blinded and muted by the operators. So really you don't have much valuable to say.

I think it was the Nexus 1, the HTC model. It sold a few hundred k in the US but nothing elsewere in the free world. It only shows, Android is not it, it is the names of Samsung, HTC and SE that sell phones.

The same will happen to WP. Nokia will sell, if for no other reason than for the half way (at best) commitment from the others. Nokia show full comittment, and that is what counts. I have alwas said that I'm not sure how they will sell in the US, but elsewhere it will be a blast.

Re: Winners and losers

Install Ubuntu on the handset and be done with it.

Re: Winners and losers

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Originally Posted by Capt'n Corrupt (Post 949625)

Install Ubuntu on the handset and be done with it.

Ubutnut:(..........

Re: Winners and losers

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Originally Posted by rm42 (Post 949767)

Subcontractors:

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Ixonos, ok, I can see that. But Salcomp (a charger maker)?! Don't WP7 phones need charging?

Re: Winners and losers

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Originally Posted by lma (Post 949773)

Ixonos, ok, I can see that. But Salcomp (a charger maker)?! Don't WP7 phones need charging?

They will, sometime in 2008. Nokia hopes.

Re: Winners and losers

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Originally Posted by lma (Post 949773)

Ixonos, ok, I can see that. But Salcomp (a charger maker)?! Don't WP7 phones need charging?

To be charged, a phone needs to be bought first ;)

Re: Winners and losers

This is a rather extensive analysis of the 'deal'. It was already posted on another thread, but it quickly got buried and I don't think a lot of people saw it. Bottom line, this how things will look in the fourth quarter for Microkia:

Quarter . . . Market Share . . . Unit Sales . . . . ASP . . . . . Total:
Q4 2011. . 12% . . . . . . . . . . 17 M . . . . . . . . 116 Euro . . 2.0B Euro

http://communities-dominate.blogs.co...4e861902e7970d

Re: Winners and losers

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Originally Posted by ericsson (Post 949590)

Oh I see, first you say that the Nokia+Microsoft lovefest is barely mentioned outside of the tech media, then dismiss it when somebody points out how it is.. even in the worst case outlier region that you yourself even openly admit that it is within that very same dismissal. Spin spin spin. I won't argue about the hog-tied consumers, though, but you fail to convince me that Nokia has made anything that could solidly compel consumers away from these competing devices, even with that hobbling hog-tie and blindfold. With this latest development of Nokia and Microsoft bumping uglies, it just makes a bad situation far worse.

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Originally Posted by ericsson (Post 949590)

I think it was the Nexus 1, the HTC model. It sold a few hundred k in the US but nothing elsewere in the free world. It only shows, Android is not it, it is the names of Samsung, HTC and SE that sell phones.

Ah yes, the Nexus 1 didn't sell well. That clearly means Android, the whole platform, is clearly a failure. heheh I would also argue that Samsung's other non-Android phones didn't seem to sell quite as well as the Android ones, so I walk away with a far different understanding than yours. I still find it ironic, then, that Nokia/Ovi has been increasingly relegated to the "Other" category in most statistics gathering piecharts. (i.e. the latest SD Times (software development magazine), issue 262 (Feb 2011) article on "Rise of the Androids")

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Originally Posted by ericsson (Post 949590)

The same will happen to WP. Nokia will sell, if for no other reason than for the half way (at best) commitment from the others. Nokia show full comittment, and that is what counts. I have alwas said that I'm not sure how they will sell in the US, but elsewhere it will be a blast.

When has Nokia shown full commitment to anything,though?