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abbra 2011-07-10 10:42
Re: N9 FAQ: facts vs. fiction
 
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Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1048125)
Fair enough, but that doesn't really serve to prove how DLNA augments the delivery of HD video formats to end devices.
If it does that & does it well then great, I'm not against it per say, any specific examples of where it's used to great effect?
Check DLNA specs. Or go to http://live.gnome.org/Rygel and check there, this is the implementation used on the Harmattan platform. Practically, all UI would need to do is to set appropriate bit in Tracker database and have rygel service started.

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Oh, so you're a Nokia dev. involved in that area? :rolleyes:
Sorry, but not a very compelling argument as-to-why it's not present or do-able.
I cannot dive into details why and how Nokia does its own product development.
If you need some verification, you may check my profile on maemo.org (same nickname as on TMO).

These threads, unfortunately, full of analysis of technical details done by people with little or not engineering background, thus many factual errors are present. If a mere attempt to correct those meets opposition, so be it -- I'm fine not to fight insisting dark ages knowledge. ;)

rentze 2011-07-10 10:50
Re: N9 FAQ: facts vs. fiction
 
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Originally Posted by govprog (Post 1048135)
iPhone users can get adobe flash playback with a 3rd party browser(i.e:skyfire). The mentioned internet browser also enables android users to play silverlight content.(e.g:NetFlix,IMDb and etc.) In addition, they said that it's likely that they will start porting their browser into Meego platform. Even if they don't, users could still get flash playback by installing Firefox. So to say that a platform does support flash content and another one does not is a certain misguide mostly caused by company ads like google (and others)
It is not that simple. Skyfire converts Flash content to HTML5 so that it can be displayed, but this is done remotely by special servers. I guess I don't need to mention how different this is from native Flash support.

govprog 2011-07-10 10:59
Re: N9 FAQ: facts vs. fiction
 
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Originally Posted by rentze (Post 1048195)
It is not that simple. Skyfire converts Flash content to HTML5 so that it can be displayed, but this is done remotely by special servers. I guess I don't need to mention how different this is from native Flash support.
Different, yes. But to say that iPhone does not support flash as a disadvantage in the android forum(and as an ad probably) ... it's not fair IMO.(And vice versa for NetFlix support)

Therefore, N9 can locally play flash content with Firefox AFAIK, which is not too much different from native support.

Ah, and before I forget, have I told you that the N9 browser has the highest score in html5test.com versus the other mobile platforms?

erendorn 2011-07-10 11:12
Re: N9 FAQ: facts vs. fiction
 
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Originally Posted by govprog (Post 1048197)
Therefore, N9 can locally play flash content with Firefox AFAIK, which is not too much different from native support.
Source? I though it had been corrected as "Firefox on N9 has support for plugins, but there's no such plugin"

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Originally Posted by govprog (Post 1048197)
Ah, and before I forget, have I told you that the N9 browser has the highest score in html5test.com versus the other mobile platforms?
Has it improved? last time I saw them, iOS 5 still did better.

govprog 2011-07-10 11:17
Re: N9 FAQ: facts vs. fiction
 
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Originally Posted by erendorn (Post 1048202)
Source? I though it had been corrected as "Firefox on N9 has support for plugins, but there's no such plugin"
This is what I have heard. Let's not make this an argue.:)
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Has it improved? last time I saw them, iOS 5 still did better.
I meant Meego 1.2, in the current releases.

rentze 2011-07-10 11:18
Re: N9 FAQ: facts vs. fiction
 
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Originally Posted by govprog (Post 1048197)
Different, yes. But to say that iPhone does not support flash as a disadvantage in the android forum(and as an ad probably) ... it's not fair IMO.(And vice versa for NetFlix support)
I would say it's completely fair because it's true. From the N900 you can use VNC to connect to your desktop machine running GNU/Linux, Windows, or whatever... Thus you can play Flash 10 content without any problems and do whatever you want... but does that mean the N900 supports Windows 7 or Flash 10? Not really...

govprog 2011-07-10 11:23
Re: N9 FAQ: facts vs. fiction
 
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Originally Posted by rentze (Post 1048205)
I would say it's completely fair because it's true. From the N900 you can use VNC to connect to your desktop machine running GNU/Linux, Windows, or whatever... Thus you can play Flash 10 content without any problems and do whatever you want... but does that mean the N900 supports Windows 7 or Flash 10? Not really...
I would say that N900 does support Flash 10(Via Iceweasel browser I have heard). Why not?:)

jalyst 2011-07-10 17:23
Re: N9 FAQ: facts vs. fiction
 
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Originally Posted by abbra (Post 1048190)
Check DLNA specs. Or go to http://live.gnome.org/Rygel and check there, this is the implementation used on the Harmattan platform. Practically, all UI would need to do is to set appropriate bit in Tracker database and have rygel service started.
Excellent thanks, seems like a GUI is most certainly a "hop, skip, & a jump" away! :D

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I cannot dive into details why and how Nokia does its own product development.
If you need some verification, you may check my profile on maemo.org (same nickname as on TMO).
Linked-in tells me you were (until recently) a "senior engineer" for Nokia.
I see no specific mention of work done in the area of video-out.
Good for you and thanks for your efforts...
But how does this prove you know anything about the implementation/s (current/future) of vid-out for the N9?

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These threads, unfortunately, full of analysis of technical details done by people with little or not engineering background, thus many factual errors are present.
Not a dig at me I hope?
No the problem is there's little-to-no appropriate info, from which to derive a definitive answer.

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If a mere attempt to correct those meets opposition, so be it -- I'm fine not to fight insisting dark ages knowledge. ;)
Usually when you claim something as fact, you provide a basis for why you know it's true.
You don't just turn around & insult the person questioning the basis for your claim :confused:

jalyst 2011-07-10 17:46
Re: N9 FAQ: facts vs. fiction
 
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Originally Posted by govprog (Post 1048197)
Therefore, N9 can locally play flash content with Firefox AFAIK, which is not too much different from native support.
After Kontorri seemingly suggested it was...
Some other devs turned around & said flash support isn't there for fenec.
It's somewhere in this epic thread....
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=74181&page=170
What they said was pretty vague IIRC, so I guess there's still a slim chance.

jalyst 2011-07-10 18:05
Re: N9 FAQ: facts vs. fiction
 
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Originally Posted by govprog (Post 1048207)
I would say that N900 does support Flash 10(Via Iceweasel browser I have heard). Why not?:)
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...296#post876296

There's some buggy recent-ish versions of flash people have tried amongst the thousands of posts in this thread
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37922&page=186
But flash 10x for ARM isn't officially supported, as Nokia hasn't bothered to pay Adobe for the licensing.
The buggy ones floating around are licensed to TI for OEM's using TI SoC's to "borrow".


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