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-   -   Migrating to Community-driven Infrastructure - Step 1: Inventory (https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85061)

lma 2012-06-25 09:19
Re: Migrating to Community-driven Infrastructure - Step 1: Inventory
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kate (Post 1227030)
We are planning to buy three servers for Nemein to run maemo.org to end of year. At the moment I don't see any reason why these servers could not be used serve maemo.org later.
Obvious question: who owns these?

Bernard 2012-06-25 09:24
Re: Migrating to Community-driven Infrastructure - Step 1: Inventory
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lma (Post 1227044)
That was obviously a typo for "maemo.org".
Ah, makes a lot more sense that way. My mistake.

kevloral 2012-06-25 10:16
Re: Migrating to Community-driven Infrastructure - Step 1: Inventory
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Estel (Post 1226804)
I'm wondering, how "transferable" forum content (database) is between crappy vBulletin and something Open Source'd, like phpBB.
Not getting into technical details, there may be legal issues there too. Can we just transfer personal data about users that may be stored in their profiles to the new entity that manages the forum? At least in the EU, I think it may be neccessary to request permission from the users to do so. All in all, I have added a few notes to the wiki so this issue is considered

kate 2012-06-25 10:17
Re: Migrating to Community-driven Infrastructure - Step 1: Inventory
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lma (Post 1227044)
They are the current infrastructure maintainers under contract with Nokia. AFAIK the actual hosting is on a third-party ISP. You would have to ask Nemein whether they would be willing to sponsor maemo.org later, but it might be difficult for them at a time when they will have just lost a major source of income.
Nemein is company currently maintaining maemo.org and they will be also hosting maemo.org next 6 months. Currently there is other hosting company but it will be easier to have all in same hands.

I can't speak for Nemein and I don't know who is sponsoring maemo.org in 2013 and how much sponsoring money community gets. It is up to community to decide who will host and who will maintain it. I just hope that community gets sponsors and I hope that Nokia could sponsor even part of it but it is not in my hands.



Kate

kate 2012-06-25 10:21
Re: Migrating to Community-driven Infrastructure - Step 1: Inventory
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lma (Post 1227048)
Obvious question: who owns these?
That's good question. I prefer that it could be "maemo community" but I think that there is not yet such legal entity.

Good proposal would be that community forms some legal entity or co-operates some existing one ( linux.org ? , is there one related with kde ? ). Legal entity would be also needed if any juridical arrangements are done with use of maemo trade mark etc.

Kate

SD69 2012-06-25 13:16
Re: Migrating to Community-driven Infrastructure - Step 1: Inventory
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kate (Post 1227083)
That's good question. I prefer that it could be "maemo community" but I think that there is not yet such legal entity.

Good proposal would be that community forms some legal entity or co-operates some existing one ( linux.org ? , is there one related with kde ? ). Legal entity would be also needed if any juridical arrangements are done with use of maemo trade mark etc.

Kate
Kate,

The proposal for a legal entity has already been made. Thank you for indicating there will be some cooperation with it.
We are planning on a community independent of kde, although there might be some relationship with Mer/Nemo.

I am heading the legal group for the maemo community. Please contact me with further details. I will want to know when the three servers will be available and the countries in which the maemo trademark has been registered.

marmistrz 2012-06-25 13:30
Re: Migrating to Community-driven Infrastructure - Step 1: Inventory
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hurrian (Post 1226461)
First off, we'll need to host TMO with our own money, unless you want to go with crappy free hosts or gasp, be incorporated into a XDA subforum.
(Also, if we needed to cut costs, we could switch away from vBulletin to something free, like phpBB.)
Same with the front page, althought I guess with the right forum layout, we can discard that too.
As for a WMO alternative, I guess if we really needed to start shaving costs we could put the articles up on Wikipedia after some heavy cleanup.
And for the autobuilder, if the MeeGo OBS really is getting shut down, I guess we have no other choice than to rent a VPS and run our own instance of OBS there.
(this would probably host the repos too).


IIRC, github does free hosting of simple webpages.
We can use some free/cheap hosting (even if these aren't nice domains, we can use dot.tk)

Reggie 2012-06-25 16:47
Re: Migrating to Community-driven Infrastructure - Step 1: Inventory
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SD69 (Post 1227149)
The proposal for a legal entity has already been made. Thank you for indicating there will be some cooperation with it. We are planning on a community independent of kde, although there might be some relationship with Mer/Nemo.
Is that proposal you are referring to documented somewhere? Also, who is the "we" (in red)?

Quote:
Originally Posted by SD69 (Post 1227149)
I am heading the legal group for the maemo community.
Can you identify the members of this legal group?

Thanks.

Cas07 2012-06-25 17:50
Re: Migrating to Community-driven Infrastructure - Step 1: Inventory
 
The hosting issue can be solved by approaching http://osuosl.org/ who host many large open source projects.

Reggie 2012-06-25 17:58
Re: Migrating to Community-driven Infrastructure - Step 1: Inventory
 
For those asking about the forum:

1. It is currently hosted on a dedicated 8GB 2GHz quad-core Xeon server from softlayer.com (server location: Dallas, TX USA)
2. Backup (daily): on same server (with RAID 5). Offsite: NAS from softlayer.com (NAS location: Washington, DC USA)
3. Forum disk space size: ~12GB
4. Monthly bandwidth: ~450GB
5. Number of emails sent per week (mostly from forum reply notification): ~8000

I personally own the vBulletin license, so a new vBulletin license is required (~$195).

For those asking, yes a lot of the forum systems (including open source ones) have vB migration tools. Sure, a cheaper or free forum system can be used but think about the expertise of the volunteer who intend to administer it (both the front and back end). Think about daily backup, DDoS attacks, automated spammer attacks, etc. The admnistrator(s) should be able to perform/monitor/avoid these 24 hrs/day.

There is also the task of creating custom plug-ins. As an example, TMO has a custom plug-in that links with the Maemo.org membership database so karma can be computed correctly off the members' TMO posts/thanks. Not all forum systems have the 'Thanks' featue, so think about how that can be supported and the thanks data migrated.

If moving to a new domain/forum name, I agree that members should be notified and asked for their permission.


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