Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 

Well szopin ..you are 1/2 way there...
but you are still throwing cases....
I'm not disputing their validity...
nor the possibility that crap can come our way...

I think we all understand that the undesirables and undesirable elements in the darker corners of the web are now more and more coming out ..unafraid..showing themselves...or disguised in the garb of "the good guys"... (when it is obvious they are not) ..and wreaking havoc where they can...

We get it.

but throw out an idea (at least) how we should approach a more secure and safe alternative to today's witch-burning mentality ...

or set up a thread to specifically think tank solutions with fellow members.

One thing for certain is that this community is chock full of problem solvers...tinkerers and puzzle-lovers ...always itching in their overcompensating OCD ways to find solutions.
Work with that parameter and I'm sure we will have the safer community you and we all desire.

So throw in viable, realistic, implementable ideas that the community sees and understands the need for ...and will back you up on.

My ideas?
Well...
I will never accept total anonymity amoungst members.
that is just as dangerous in a different context as handing out your real name, address, phone number and email.
it will mean the inevitable dissolution of the community you wish to protect.
But I do see a middle ground.
Making the GA members real world identities only visible to the GA ...to one another...not the real world.
That safeguards identity and at the same time is not anonymity.
Those bitching about it being a "private club" can complain all they wish..or go through the due process of joining the GA so their voice can be heard amoungst their peers legitimately
The purpose is to allow free speech, the sharing of ideas, problem solving, voting, etc. in a safe secure environment...

I am alllll for this kind of solution.
It aims to address the problem you have raised of too much personal information being exposed to the world and balances it with privacy, security, and yet is not (dangerously) anonymous.

Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 

My idea is: there is no pill sized (140 chars) solution. People need to be informed. This community severely lacks in even basic knowledge of latest developments. Mod-logs? Really, even slashdot greybeards seem to be more on top of what is happening in open source and transparency discussion. Maemo is dying by neglect, noone cares about what we should strive for and fight against, monetary contribution to trademark is not enough. Ppl no longer care what is actually changing, send 5$ to feel active is easy. What about discussion/dissecting new ideas? (not going into that quagmire, sorry, but examples of commercial products having TM problems did not address anything, nor being proud, nor being able to negotiate easier (what exactly?), discussion is lacking)

We not only slacking (screw fb/twitter/reddit/... irc all the way is escapism, life went on, we should not be browsing web with mail client), we ignore current situation (sf, now github going bit crazy)
And randi joins as a member, all members' identities compromised. Any other?

(I really don't want to sound dismissive, but it realy is a hard thing to find balance between opposites: anonymity and not, sorry if it comes that way)

Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 

Members' personal data is only known to board.
Chemist takes good care I believe. Thankfully, his info is public. ;)

One thing you could do is remind council of it's action item "The selected Code of Conduct (KDE) still needs to be published on TMO."

Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 

FOIA requests

edit: aside from people's names being currently displayed (this is illegal btw in EU), as a non-profit, foia is a big problem

Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 

The registering court only knows name, city + country of residence of the 7 founders and full personal info of the directors.

Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 

You have expressed the dangers inherent in total disclosure.

The dangers we will face from total anonymity will be:

- accusation from unknown and unreliable sources which cannot be verified or fought against.

- trolling and harassment for certain. People will join just for that joy.

-most assuredly we will see the people who want to "lift the veil" and see who's who behind the masks of anonymity... start coming round banging on the door "insisting" people are named. May as well just send another flare up in the sky ...pour more blood in the water for sharks to find us.

So ...there is a hole in the idea I threw out there...you are right...new member "randi" joins to get the list.

So.. make the registry of the names of the members part of a secure registry held in the arms of mcev or cc or both and not available for even ga members to browse.
Therein is security whilst not being completely anonymous.

I'll tell you this though szopin...you better start throwing some ideas out there that are viable.

Not just saying "informing is 1/2 the battle" ...
whilst you just do news clippings from the web and throw them here..
and continue to gripe about nothing around here getting done..
and then just shooting down ideas others give ...
without offering a better alternative...
hell ANY alternative in it's place.

'Cause you keep that up...
I can pretty much put money down on the craps table and be sure of a win on the odds that at best...
this is gonna end up being your finest one-man monologue ever.

Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 

There we go szopin...your concern isn't a concern after all.

Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 

Ok I am at a bit of a loss here, if no FOIA releases real names, how can anyone stop you from accepting member with data: name xxx, username yyy, nick szopin? Why even require legally official members, if no checks in place (and if checks are in place foia will work for non-profit, sooo?)

Is KDE doing it wrong and breaking the law?
https://ev.kde.org/members.php

Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 

Informing is 1/1 the battle dude, if you like any normal mortal don't have time to spend 5h verifying news you spend exactly 20 seconds on while browsing and respected journalists do the same, you buy into this 'this guy is misogynist, hang him' mentality. All you can do is inform, so people who don't have even 30min get some dug up facts. That's how Louise Mensch managed to turn the tide on Tim Hunt. Do you trust Guardian, Times, NYT??? Well, guess what, they f*** up. Forbes is now apologising, doubt Guardian will. The Sun journalist made the effort to investigate, easily dismissed at first, took 6 weeks to right the wrong (at least in general opinion, the previously mentioned rags still did not fix their reporting).
What could possibly be a solution to that if not facts?????

Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 

This applies to members, not forum users...
And probably yes, if a forum user happens to become a member, he is well advised to post responsibly. What's wrong with that?