Re: Thumbs up or down for new OS2008 for N800
 

Guys,

Here is a photo of my setup.
Dan

Re: Thumbs up or down for new OS2008 for N800
 

Wow! That's scary! :)

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My vote is one thumb up. I'll keep the upgrade, but if you are a business user with os2007 working, I suggest you wait. The whole package should be ready to use, and it's not.

If the os upgrade came with a fact sheet about the interface changes it might have made the transition easier.

I am disappointed by the lack of basic business apps. We need an openoffice port, or at least ms word excel and pdf compatible file viewing, and a stable email app.

And I'm a user, not a linux hobbyist. There are just too many productvity barriers with os2008 right now.

But the os is faster. Microb is better now. It's not worth the bother to switch back.

--PK---

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I agree.

I have my "remote server toolkit" running OK with VNC and gFTP. (Can't get Autoscan to come up). And I like the FM remote MS networking! Wish I could do more GUI network analysis...

But my "office" (why I bought the unit) is Skype and web browsing to my server page for email...I NEED an excel and a doc reader and can get neither antiword, amiword? or gnumeric to work. (Even my phone does that).

It would seem that porting MS basic business files would be a good business decision for Nokia. I dont need to port Contacts, not that an Outlook interface wouldnt be nice.

And how can I reduce the menu size, like in 2007? Its way to big and busy for me.

I have no time for games or entertainment. I can afford big-gun toys there.
my 2 c's

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I was two thumbs up now I'm all thumbs and toes.

The thing that I've learned in the last several months of using this little monster is that it is a child growing and you have to be patient and let it grow. It's not leading edge technology it's bleeding edge technology and you have to be patient.

I originally bought my n800 for entertainment purposes to browse the web, check email, and play movies and music. It originally did all those things badly. If like me you are not a linux person or programmer, hacker, etc... you were left with a toy with tons of potential. Then os2008 came out in December and the growth of the n800's capabilities has been astounding. The web now actually works on all websites. Flash sites, youtube, etc... all are working the way they did on my computer. Movies and music play almost flawlessly on the updated media player. I take a lot of pictures and the image viewer that comes with the n800 needed help. Then last week I discovered Quiver image viewer. It's like a mini photoshop without all the complicated menus and needless and expensive add on's. The email was so flawled when I bought it that I just never bothered using it. The new os2008 allows me to receive and send emails via any of my personal or corporate email accounts. I'll wait till they get the calendar and contacts redone before I use them. Same goes for Skype (GoogleTalk does great video and chats for now). WiFi abroad is scarce, but with my new travel wireless router I have wifi everywhere in my hotel room and down the hall for about 100 feet. Most hotels will have ethernet ports but not wifi. I can't wait to use Gizmo on my next hotel trip abroad. Free international calls and chats from my hotel room for the low price of an internet connection(compared to hotel and cellphone international phone rates). Next up is using my n800 as a remote control around the house and car. I've read some amazing threads here about how to do it and I will slowly give it a whirl.

Personally I don't want all those MS programs cluttering up the simple and lite app's that the n800 was designed for. Nokia did not intend this to be a replacement for a desktop nor laptop. To me the most effective and simple way of porting those large, dinosaur programs the business user wants without destroying the original purpose of the IT is to port them to an sdhc card that uses something like Mojopac to control them. This way the n800 processor is not taxed nor is the memory chained to those cumbersome programs. I would much rather have the n800 software remain light and change the way we compute. I would add more antennas, maybe a low power satellite chip(developed for cellphones, but never released), stronger graphics card that doesn't take away from the batteries power, OLED screen at 1920x1080i, HDMI port(I think I can do that now with my USB hub :) ), 4 sdhc slots instead of two, a bigger battery, a 10-12mp camera with zoom(keep the roating lens that n800 has), a pico projector, a sim card slot for cell phone use(although with Gizmo, Grandcentral, and others I see the end of the cellphone). I have always disliked CD/DVD's(terrible for travel) and the n800 and others like it are going to put the final nail on their coffins just like the ipod did it to the music industry. If you look at my last post on this thread I followed the instructions on how to setup USB host and external HD. I now have an n800 with a working USB port and the tiniest powered USB hub. Now it doesn't look like much but, I can now use my sony memory card and load and view my pictures on my n800. I don't have to carry a laptop with me or try to find a computer in a foreign country that will allow me to load a memory card without getting administrative permission. I can also watch my movies from the cards on the hub and not drain the memory, cpu or batteries. When I upgrade my sdhc cards to 32gb I will have over 190gb of high speed class six flash for a couple of hundred dollars(they want upwards of $10,000 for that much flash on a regular computer). The great thing is that my old cards will still be useful.

Yes it's frustrating and annoying that these app's are not fully formed at times, or they have bugs or they are in development, but their FREE and customizable! If you don't like the way an app works you can change it to your liking. Try that with Apple or Microsoft. The app's also don't spy on you and send all your data to a company that will sell it to anyone and everyone who will pay their price. I have not purchased or used a Microsoft product in two years. I've made it a point this year to do the same with Apple.

If you want to really experience the n800 you have to participate in it's development. In your free time(which I have none because I'm always flying somewhere) read threads that interest you and get your hands dirty by actually installing a difficult app. Lot's and lot's of ITT users will be there to help you and who knows you might just get an idea for a new app that revolutionizes the computer world though you won't make a penny because it's linux. :) lol, Dan

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mojopac is for xp. how do you use it on linux?

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Amkaos,

Mojopacs website says they are developing a version for linux as well as Mac. Also Ubuntu linux forums are saying that a Ubuntu sdhc version similar to the Ubuntu version for the EEE PC is being readied. I can't wait because then I will have a more powerful, lite and flexible n800.

Has anyone tried PyAno? It's a fun little app that let's you play a mini piano on the n800. lol, Dan

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I think we're missing a HUGE point here:

Nokia designed the iT as a mobile Internet device, not a sub-notebook, not a UMPC and certainly not a notebook replacement.

They designed and optimized the UI and performance and the hardware for the following purposes:

1. Web browsing - hence microB, with Flash support for a really decent browsing experience for over 95% of the sites out there today.

2. Email - the built-in app has some issues, but modest should sort that out once the good General is done with it. In the meantime, I've got Gmail in all its AJAX glory. No complaints here.

3. Online media playback - internet radio, podcasts, last.fm. I couldn't ask for more. Except maybe less packet loss from my office LAN, but that's not Nokia's fault. Vagalume could do with a larger buffer though...

4. Offline media playback - it plays most of the file formats that I use. I encoded a nice bunch of clips (Jeff Dunham's Achmed the Dead Terrorist clips), anime series (Bleach / Initial D) and movies (Independence Day). I have over 15 albums of my favourite music, and Canola 2 plays them back with style

5. Internet Communications - VoIP and IM. Skype, Gizmo and the built-in apps get the job done well. Works as promised.

Nokia has never marketed the iT as anything else, and certainly never meant for it to be used for document generation and all the resource-hungry purposes that so many people are trying to get working on the device.

One does not buy an Armani suit and then try to use it for skydiving or ice hockey, and then go around complaining that it rips too easily and stains don't come off it, and that it's too expensive for what it is.

Remember the iT for what it was built for. If it does anything beyond what it is touted to do, that's a bonus. If it doesn't, then someone bought the wrong device :D

The N8x0 is an Internet tablet. That what it was built for

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Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Don't throw any of that gratitude or attribution over my direction. I'm just a shill and a forum troll! :D

The awesome folk over in the right-hand column here are the ones you should be giving your love and appreciation to.

Re: Thumbs up or down for new OS2008 for N800
 

I am almost 100% agree with your comments, except for the email part. Emails use to have attachments, and if you're unable to "see" the attachments (note that I am saying only "see") the email functionality is limited.

Re: Thumbs up or down for new OS2008 for N800
 

+1

- definitely agree... overall, a nice upgrade, but to me the default menu size is clumsy and takes too much screen real estate...

- one annoyance, and an obvious error by a Nokia software engineer, is the assumption that keyboard shortcuts will only be assigned on an n810, and not taking into account the use of a BT keyboard...

- for example, under os2007 on the n800, the default US105 keyboard has the FKeys with standard functions (menu, app menu, home, fullscreen toggle, +, -, etc.) assigned to F3 through F12...

- but the default under os2008 on the n800 uses convoluted keyboard combos to achieve the same results, and in fact, the Shortcut tab function under the Bluetooth keyboard Control Panel reports:

"Illegal key for shortcut"

when attempting to map a function to an FKey!!!

@#$@#%???!!!

- this is *very* annoying and short sighted... there's no obvious reason for this behavior when before, these FKeys were the default, and also easily toggled menuing...

- in fact, this 'toggling' feature is also 'broken' or un-implemented for the app-launcher menu (one now has to cursor-left to remove a menu request)...

- don't get me wrong: i like os2008 and understand that it's time to move on... i really like my n800s (i have two: one for os2007 and one for upgrades such as this, hopefully short, interim version of os2008)...

- so one thumb up (and kudos for all the hard work from all contributing programmers), but one thumb down on some interface issues and software engineering...

:-)

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If Nokia really designed it with media playback in mind, then why did they deliver it with cheaped-out video playback capabilities? This thing has an 800x480 screen, but to play back anything above 400x240, you have to drop to insanely low fps settings.

Same remark re music playback: Gapless isn't possible by design. That's not a very smart design decision for a music player, is it?

And yet we were promised video calls, not a useless camera appendage.

Truth is, from all appearances Nokia has no idea what to do with the Itablets. It's a good product, marred by a lot of asinine design decisions, loaded with unfinished and buggy system software and managed by what appears to be a bunch of sloths on morphine.

Also, the blatant leeching off the community is becoming embarrassing, to say the least. I am really, really, really disappointed; I was hoping (and I have voiced this repeatedly) that Nokia was trying to learn how to cope with Open Source and only made mistakes by -- well, by mistake. But now it appears that Nokia is not only not learning, but is actually moving away from what it should have learned. It seems Jaaksi's repeated hypocrisy is exactly reflecting the Nokia mentality.

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I guess this is to everyone in the topic:


well, according to the argument (n800 isnt -entirely- meant for what its originally advertised to be), what would this exactly mean for someone who simply wants an internet tablet to maybe play a few 3rd party games and apps, run somes rss, work with school taking notes and such, listen to their favorite music via dual sdhc cards (:D) and maybe watch a movie now and then..?


does it say "no" to really bothering with a n800 all-together? Or not.

thats all i want it for.. I saw doom, I saw quake.. I saw some emulators.. and everything else is just a plus. I can take it to school for classes, check mail etc.. OH and really, can anyone point to me a clip of the video chat? How good is it? Can this thing get at least a solid 15fps? 20, for wishfull thinking, perhaps? 30?


My biggest perks on this:

1) internet browsing
2) video chat/calls (someone please tell me Karel is exaggerating..)
3) note-taking via sketch program etc
4) MUSIC.. omg, music. Mp3's only
5) maybe some video.. basic avi, wma, mpeg

I WANT ONE FOR THE BASICS, PPL!


For those five reasons, is the N800 worth my money? Can someone please tell me this? because I was also thinking of getting my gf one too.. shed been looking for something like this..

And I've only played with my friends n770, but the n800 looked promising.. please, let me know otherwise.

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"Remember the iT for what it was built for."

No, that's a manufacturing/developer point of view.

Consumers really shouldn't care what a device was built for. If the N800 made an excellent hammer and was useless for anything else, I would use it as a hammer even if it was built to be a doorstop for aliens.

Fortunately, my N800 keeps surprising me with all of its uses. Not as a hammer, though.

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I'll have to disagree with you on the video playback bit. I have my videos encoded at 25fps using the N800 Video Convert 0.8.4 and they *all* play back smooth with no skipping. Also, I see no point in being able to play back media at 800x600 since the screen is that small anyway, and I really could do with smaller media file sizes (which I get, thanks to the Media Convert software)

Likewise, I can honestly say that I have not encountered any skipping issues when playing my MP3s back using Canola (which, I believe, uses mPlayer).

As for the video camera, video calling isn't something I do a lot of, unlike VoIP, so it's not something I miss at all. That said, it *would* be nice if the video camera could be used for video calling MSN and Yahoo buddies (yes, i know aMSN does that, but i'm not prepared to start tinkering about a working combination now that I have everything working exactly how I like it), but again, video calling, in my case, in a nice-to-have and not a must-have (like how VoIP and web browsing is)

Now, seriously consider this: Rather than spitting in Nokia's face the way some of us do in this forum, has anyone really considered being grateful that they did produce the Internet Tablet that we are all using today?

I used to work in the Nokia APAC team and can honestly say that it takes quite a bit to get a product like this out the door, especially when it has very little mass appeal in its current incarnation. For a project like this to have even the level of support it has today is something I would consider a miracle.

The fact that the iT project has actualized itself in the form of the N770 and evolved to the N800 and N810 is a huge leap of faith for them, seeing that they could be assigning resources to other areas of the business which have better revenue/feature elasticity

What we have today still needs a bit of polishing around the edges, but looking back at the month since my wife bought me my N800 for Xmas, I've had nothing but positive experiences with it.

Here's why the N800 works for me:

- media playback - works fine for me, don't know why some people are complaining about skipping. movies play back fine, as do my MP3s. Internet radio is dependent on the quality of my network connection.

- web browsing - aside from the very occasional microB crash, I've not had any real problems. the crashes are just inconvenient, not life-threatening

- VoIP - Gizmo and Skype works. 'Nuff said

- IM - could be better if MSN/Yahoo worked properly, if contacts could be synced with the respective service providers, displayed in the correct folders, and I could have all my contacts (phone numbers, email addresses, and IM addresses and presence all in one app). GoogleTalk and Gizmo work fine for me now. Besides, I'd rather be IMing off my E51, which has Gizmo and Windows Live Messenger, and I'm quick with two-thumb T9 texting (as are most Singaporeans)

The way I see it, we have a decent hardware platform, and there are some pretty good 3rd party apps out there. Nokia probably committed itself to coming up with the platform, and a baseline suite of applications.

Frankly, it's the power users who complain day and night about how the platform isn't up to snuff. Fact is, I whinge all day about how Windows Vista stinks as well, but considering the amount of crap I have running on my system, I sometimes wonder if it is a miracle that it doesn't crash more often than it does.

Let's focus on what we have, and give thanks for it. I would really hate to have chosen a Windows Mobile device that costs more and has a horrible user experience. The Newton did it for me back then (MoreInfo was the killer app for me), and since its demise, after having experienced several generations of Palms, Psions, Windows CE, Windows Mobile over the last 10 years, I can honestly say that this is the only device that comes even close to how the Newton made my mobile computing fun and enjoyable.

Now, imagine if Nokia decided to say, "Screw these ingrates, we'll pull the plug on the iT since it's clearly not profitable and rather than taking negative publicity for it, let's just dump the whole platform and move on to 'what computers have become' (i.e. N95)" ... where would that leave us, the people who have adopted the N800 and really enjoy using it for what we bought it for? For most of us out there, i dare say this device is worth its salt.

Yes, things CAN improve from where it is today, and things certainly ARE improving, thanks to the developers out there who contribute so many hours of their time to bring us freeware, listen to feedback and improve on their apps. It's not like they sold us a brick, for crying out loud :)

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FWIW, that faux-suede pouch that the N800 comes with also has a nice use -- if you place your N800 on it, it acts as a non-slip surface (up to a point). I only noticed this after I left my N800 on a smooth table top today and it nearly slid off when i accidentally tugged the charger cable lightly.

But you're right, the iT sucks at many things, many of these applications are not what it was meant to run in the first place. As you say, if it makes a great hammer, it doesn't really matter how the manufacturer markets it.

So, let's see -- the iT has been great for me when it comes to:

web browsing, email, IM, movies and music on the go, desktop photo album (thanks to Canola), voip and IM device.

I think it would downright suck as a tool for creating and editing documents, spreadsheets, presentations, photos, vector art, video recording device, sound recording device, and hammer.

Re: Thumbs up or down for new OS2008 for N800
 

I just bought the N800 with the EEEPc, to use together. My thinking though as technophile since the Commodore 64c, is that a combination of these systems with PIM (via Tungsten E2) is perfect for everyday needs. Once I get these devices in my hands, I will be able to see if my theory actually worked, and if I made the right choice over buying one silly laptop.

As for the N800 2008 OS issue, does anyone know if there is a fix coming from Nokia for the bluetooth issue? I do not know if I am going to have OS2008 preloaded or if I have to do the upgrade, but I do not want to get OS2008 if it could sacrifice any of the usuability from my IGO Stowaway bluetooth keyboard that I just bought for this device. :confused:

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Of course my video files play back smoothly with Video Convert! It bloomingly encodes them at 400x240. And I can vouch for the fact that higher resolutions do make a difference, even on a smaller screen; more detail is always visible. I do get your point about smaller file sizes, but in this context it is false: I want to be able to choose between quality and size, which is something I cannot do on the Itablet.

Not skipping, rather the annoying gap between files. Especially when playing albums like Pink Floyd's "the Wall".

Yeah, it would be nice, wouldn't it? Too bad Nokia couldn't be bothered to do a decent follow-up.

What??!! Why should I? I paid them money instead. My gratitude goes to the people who -- these days almost despite of Nokia! -- managed to turn a half-finished product into something useful.

Again, I really don't care how much trouble this all is or isn't for Nokia.

THEY GET PAID!!!

I care about the trouble people who don't get paid have gone through, many of whom are regulars on this forum.

Considering how they are apparently managing it, I consider Nokia giant fools for continuing this project.

That "probably" is telling...

So your argument is basically: The Itablet may stink, but Vista stinks more, so it's okay?

It's not even close by a long shot. Not that that is necessarily a bad thing, mind you: The Newton was all about integration and extreme hardware closedness. It had the most beautiful pen-centric OS/UI that ever existed, but its connectivity -- well, you couldn't say that it sucked, because it practically didn't have any.

Exactly in what respect (provided the drivers would all made available) would that make any difference to the community?

Or, in other words: What added value do we get from Nokia, apart from the hardware itself?

True. Bricks can be used in houses. They have value.

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I bought mine cause I travel internationally and didnt want to whip out a laptop everytime I needed net (read email principally) access or get an international phone. AND YES, the Wifi browsing to my email server is perfect and Skype (at 2 cents) is perfect too! Therefore for me it paid off.
BUT-- if I could use it for some business apps, it would then have more value....well, VNC and ftp (the only 2 I have gotten to work) are great for me. I prefer GUI based apps, or I will use my PC laptop. (Quite a few apps arent working but thats probably my lack of Linux understanding...does it need to be so cryprtic? If I need to learn a language I can make more $ learning Chinese :) )
BUT - why not have a spreadsheet and document reader that work with a universal file format too? After all, there is a documents folder....I would save my Word docs and Excel ss's in a rtf / cvs fromat for the ability to crouch behind a rack and enter updates. THATS VALUE to me. (My phone can do it but my eyes cant read it)
And the N800 has poor documentation...at least there are some die-hard users that have productive and constructive advice and pages...thanks to them too.
PS - if there is a better device, and Nokia won't listen to us, then I WILL buy the better device. Its not about money to me.

Re: Thumbs up or down for new OS2008 for N800
 

My thumbs are sideways right now for the N800/N810 overall.

I like the fact that I can boot up the N800 and browse the net quickly without having to bring out my laptop.

I also like the fact that there are less crashes/freezing issues with browsing on OS2008.

Skype works better now on the OS2008 with less disconnected calls.

BTW people, Gizmo works GREAT for video callling. Way better than the built in Internet Call app. I highly recommend getting Gizmo if you wanna chat and video call. I haven't tried Gizmo video calling with MSN or Yahoo Messenger users however so I don't know if that works or not but Gizmo to Gizmo video calling is awesome.

My big time rant with the Nokia OS in general is the lack of software available for it. I'm hoping that down the line a lot more software will come out. But for now, that is my big complaint.

I'd like to see more apps which are more PC like. If I could use my tablet for daily work that would be so much easier.

Garnet is pretty good so far. It saves me from having to bring my Palm too in addition to my laptop and N800 which I already carry around. So far so good, 1 less device I have to carry :)

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Can you compare Gizmo vs Skype for voice calls for me?
Thanks

Re: Thumbs up or down for new OS2008 for N800
 

Both are great for voice calls. Gizmo is more stable and the call quality is better.

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Also: Gizmo uses open protocols, while Skype is proprietary. So, with Gizmo, you can use the built-in SIP client on the NITs and on any other device with SIP support without having to wait for Gizmo to port their application.

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I give two thumbs up for my N800 in general, and one thumb up for OS2008.

N800: 2TU! I have had more fun with my N800 than with any other computing device since my Commodore 64 in the mid-80s. I love all the software available for it, I love being able to watch mid-70s Doctor Who episodes on the bus, I love being able to take notes at the office using my bluetooth keyboard and MaemoPad+, I like being able to connect to my cheap bluetooth GPS unit and plot my position with Maemo Mapper on a satellite image, then import that plot into Google Earth, I love that I can update my Facebook, check my GMail, listen to Internet radio, and make an Internet call anywhere I can get wireless Internet... The N800 is, for me, the best hand-held device. Ever.

OS2008: 1TU. I like how OS2008 looks (transparency rocks!) and I like being able to ditch Pidgin and move all of my contacts (ICQ, MSN, GTalk) into the built-in system (I was always forgetting to turn on Pidgin), I like the video-to-PC functionality of the new Gizmo 4, I like how you can back up your application settings (because I have managed to toast my system once already trying dangerous things).

I don't like the fact that they included a poor implementation of SMB (Windows) shares with no password capability. I don't like the fact that OS2008 broke a bunch of the OS2007 apps, and nobody's ported them to OS2008. I miss my smbfs, vlc video stream broadcasting from the N800's camera (part of the Peekaboo project), and my panelclock, to name a few. Gizmo can video call to desktop PCs, but the video quality is really hit-and-miss at the moment. Sometimes the quality is acceptible, sometimes it is terrible. I don't like the fact that there's no Skype video yet. Skype Linux video exists, it is time for Skype IT video!

Nokia's support, generally: 1TU. I like that they built the IT architecture on Linux, so that community developers could build and port all sorts of great stuff for the Tablets. I like the look and feel of what they've done with Linux, much more than the cramped-desktop look of other mobile Linux ports (such as the Eee). I like the fact they've pushed much of the Hildon stuff upstream, into the Gnome project, so that the Tablet's look and feel can become a standard on mobile devices. I don't like the fact that there is core IT software that is not open source, and that Nokia hasn't been forthcoming with API and specs for some of the core system stuff.

So overall, I'm pleased with my N800. I'm still waiting for the platform to mature, though.

I hope that the great sales of the N810 will encourage Nokia to put some more resources into polishing the operating system.

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Eh, the GTK break was necessary. The good news now is that porting is going to be a whole lot easier (see Transmission).

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I'm impatient, that's all. I'm not a developer, and so I have to wait until one comes along and picks up an abandoned project and moves it to OS2008. In some cases that may not happen for a long time, if at all.

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Update 5

Well after a week of effort I have finally succeeded in creating a dual boot
setup using a 16gb class 6 sdhc card. I also reactivated my USB Host hub
with four sdhc cards.

It took so much time to create a dual boot setup because I'm new to linux and had no clue what I was
attempting to do. The other major headache was that every method I tried(6 x)
lacked enough info to complete in full on a n800 using os2008 with 16gb cards.

I used the following three resources. The first two I combined and the third
gave me lots of detailed explanations of what I was attempting to do and it gave me
a great way to check the other two sources for accuracy.

A lot of thanks goes to Fanoush, Milhouse, Pronuke, Schmots and Bunanson for their contributions to the project,
their articles, apps and support.

The resources

http://www.thisweekinnuclear.com/KDEonN800.html

http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...ead.php?t=8631

http://schmots.blogspot.com/

I had a lot of apps installed that I had to remove temporarily because they interferred with the process. Shutdown all unnecessary apps.
I preloaded the following apps before I began the process.
xterm, becomeroot, e2fsprogs, bzip2, wget, Fanoush bootmenu and tar. I found that I could not load some through apt-get so I located them on maemo.org site and downloaded their catalog and went into red pill mode to activate. Do not use red pill mode if you are not familiar with it. I used it as a last resort because I could not load apps via apt-get. I learned by reading and re-reading each of the sources listed above until I understood what I was doing. I also went very slowly and did one step at a time. The first three steps can be redone over and over. The fourth will be permanent as well as the two steps in part 7. Reboot after each of the first four steps. Reboot only after completing the entire 7th step. Make sure in Step 4 that you have already put Fanoush app. in document and nowhere else.
I used the first 4 steps of Pronuke stopping at VFat Partition.
Then doing Milhouse step 7.1 and 7.2. and rebooting.

These are the changes I had to make by trial and error to get my n800 with os2008 and two 16gb class 6 sdhc cards.

Step 1 of Pronuke:

sfdisk -uM /dev/mmcblk0

The -uM changes the numbers from cylinders to mb(Schmots explains). For my 16gb class 6 sdhc card I used the following partitions(go to memory in control panel and find out the exact size of your internal card before proceeding to partition, my 16gb card was really 15.29gb):

p1: 0,12200,0C
p2: ,,,

Had a bunch of questions, if you get them this is what worked for me by trial and error.

q1: backup? n
q2: remmove extra stuff? y
q3: do you want to aa to initfs? y
q4: ready for flashing this image? y
q5: telnet access? n
q6: install dropbear ssh server for adv. network recovery? n
asks when done - press enter to reboot device

Step 2 of Pronuke:

mkdosfs /dev/mmcblk0p1

That's it. The rest of the steps I had no problems with the directions. Go slow read and reread all three instructions before doing any step. Have fun. lol, Dan

Re: Thumbs up or down for new OS2008 for N800
 

I am still trying to work out how to dual boot 2007 and 2008.

I realise I need to set up a kernel and initfs for each OS, and when I'm in 2007 I have to flash the 2008 kernel and initfs then reboot, and when I'm in 2008 I have to flash the 2007 kernel and initfs and then reboot.

Problem is... I'm not sure how to do this!

The initfs I understand. BUt I'm not sure about the kernel, and I'm not sure where the 2008 initfs is on the SD card that is loaded with 2008.

I can of course dual boot now, but the wireless doesn't work. TO get it to work I have to do this flash before reboot, but I don't know where to look for what I need.

Anyone got any hints?

Zebee

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The new VPNC client for Cisco VPN networks and the new KDE port has turned my Nokia from a simple web-browser to a full on work horse.

I'm on call 24/7/365 as a WebLogic administrator. Often times I'm out and away and lugging a laptop with me everywhere has been a pain.

Most of my work is done on *nix boxes. Now with the VPN connectivity, KDE and an iGo bluetooth stowaway keyboard, my life has literally changed when it comes to freedom to go anywhere.

If I get a call I just find an open WiFi and resolve the problem with the Nokia. Could NOT be happier. :D:D:D:D

Re: Thumbs up or down for new OS2008 for N800
 

Dude, you seriously need some anger management. If you're unhappy with the iT, don't use it. I'm getting insanely good mileage out of mine every day. Not because I have low expectations, but because I bought it for a specific set of use cases, and they work.

I'm not making it do stuff it wasn't supposed to do, like dual-boot (nice to have), video call to MSN/Yahoo users (nice to have, but a lot of my mates don't have webcams)

The Newton still gets my respect, but it too sucked in many aspects. In that sense, it's a blessing that we have such good support from the community.

I see myself as having bought hardware and a working OS. Everything else is a bonus. That was my point.

IMHO, I'm not missing out of the quality you speak of in 800x600 movies, probably because a lot of what I watch on the go is Japanese anime and TV shows. If I really wanted a proper PMP, I'd have gone with the latest Archos (but that costs a lot more and does a lot less for me than the iT does)

As for the gap between files, I trust you're referring to gapless playback? Good point, I listen to quite a bit of trance and sometimes wish it had gapless playback support. Guess Nokia didn't think of it -- maybe the guys at Canola could come up with something if there was enough demand for it?

Ultimately, products (hardware and softwa) and services are formed out of demand. If there is enough demand for a business case to look half-decent, it's worth investing time and effort to get it off the ground. Nice that Nokia got it off the ground, but sad that they have had limited success in getting it much higher on its own, but unless I'm hearing wrongly, there are a lot of users here who ARE *mostly* satisfied with their iTs.

When I wonder if all this is worth it, I ask myself, if I didn't buy an N800, what would I be using today. And I haven't got an answer. I don't want a notebook, and I don't want an eePC. I don't want a UMPC and I don't want a Windows Mobile device. Why? A mix of battery life, price and stability are what I am looking for, and that's why the N800 works for me.

I'm sorry it doesn't work the way you want it to work, and perhaps the device wasn't the right choice for you in the first place. Perhaps you would have been better off with a UMPC, Windows Mobile, laptop, eePC, a Newton or a Zaurus. I wouldn't know because your use scenarios and expectations are different from mine.

I have a list of activities that the N800 has to do right, and a list of nice-to-haves. The N800 isn't perfect, but it's gets the job done at the right price, that's why I'm happy with mine.

Could it be better? Certainly. Could I wish for more? Certainly. But in the absence of a viable alternative, this is the best choice for my needs - Internet device first / PMP second.

I'm not the enemy here. I'm just sharing a point of view, so no need to get angry about that. Nokia really isn't the enemy either. :)

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Too much 'black magic'. I got halfway with one of the tutorials and some commands wouldn't run, and I chickened out.

When someone comes up with an idiot-proof, step-by-step guide that my mother could use to dual-boot my N800, I'll jump. In the meantime, I'm not going to complain about a couple of extra seconds of boot time, or not having enough space to install a million apps. The 'fat' apps menu is discouraging me from installing too many apps anyway.

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@Karel : I do see your point about 800x600 movies not playing back, btw.

I just downloaded a rip of the latest episode of Bleach (Episode 156) and it would not play properly on Mplayer until I re-encoded it.

Would be nice if the tablet would play this back properly, but it's just encoding and I set up my encoding queue and output to my N800 every night before bed anyway.

Re: Thumbs up or down for new OS2008 for N800
 

Laughingstok,

Can you do me and the rest on this thread a favor and detail how you got vpnc client and
kde working on your n800. Just give a detailed step by step instructions and provide your sources.
Just follow the way I did it USB Host and Dual Boot. Thanks, Dan

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Such are the woes of an undersized LCD-controller bus. The goods news is that Nokia would be hard-pressed to screw it up with the N900. 720p should look rather nice downscaled for 800x480. :cool:

An on-demand transcoding solution like mediautils is an excellent way to avoid hassle. It's even better if you've got a decent internet connection at home (1.5Mbps is recommended for best-quality playback), or a server somewhere with lots of CPU time available, as then you can access your complete collection all perfectly targeted for the tablet from anywhere with an internet connection. :D

Re: Thumbs up or down for new OS2008 for N800
 

True, but that's where re-encoding works for me. Smaller files (170MB vs 100MB), I'm happy with video and sound quality, and I have a whole bunch of content that I can share with other iT owners who are not savvy enough to re-encode their own stuff and find that 'normal' downloads don't playback well on their iTs

Does that makes sense?

Anyway, I'll give mediautils a try tonight. Might have an idea working for me, assuming I don't screw up and have the RIAA or MPAA knocking on my door tomorrow morning.

Re: Thumbs up or down for new OS2008 for N800
 

I just installed the vpnc gui from the repository on the nokia (it automatically pulled the client) then ftp'd over my works .pcf file. Loaded the .pcf file into vpnc gui and connected to my work VPN. Cake.

KDE was installed by following the destructions in the big KDE thread on here. I just got off the phone with my job after being called about an LDAP issue on our AIX boxes and did all the work with the Nokia! Has quite literally changed my life. :D :D

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Thanks Laughingstok.

General are you privy to some N900 features?? :)
I personally would like Nokia to put an Oled screen with 1080i. I've seen a Sony Prototype
that was beyond amazing. I've heard Samsung made a similar screen. Let's keep our fingers
crossed. I still can't over what i've gotten for about $250.

My next project is adding kde, but
i've heard it messes up the browser fonts among other things.
Can't wait for 32gb cards. Any new app's that break new ground?
I've heard you can turn n800 into remote controler for home stereo and theater. Also some
one is controlling their car remotely.

Re: Thumbs up or down for new OS2008 for N800
 

More detail here, please.

What apps? Interfered how? Shutdown the apps or uninstall?
I'd like to clone a fully configured system,
but I'll clone it freshly flashed if that's what it takes.

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My fonts are gone, but I've since grown accustomed to it. It doesnt bug me either way as I use it as a tool, not to show it off. (Only real tech savvy people find it amazing anyways, everyone else is like "What's KDE and VPN?"

They think it's awesome that it plays movies but could care less about its REAL abilities. So I don't even bother showing it off unless someone asks. Then they just get a glazed look so I end up saying, "It does 4000 times what an iPhone can do, and lets me live in peace with my job. For half the price."

But again, it is a tool. The flashy crap doesn't matter to me as long as I can connect through VPN and SSH/telnet. The rdesktop/VNC is a big plus too. :D

I don't need my Wrangler to have chrome on it anymore than my tablet needs a fancy touch screen keyboard if you catch my drift. ;)

Re: Thumbs up or down for new OS2008 for N800
 

There's a new fix for the fonts problem.