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Ah, I'm so used to only waking the screen by tapping in the empty spot just to the left of the Bluetooth icon in the status bar, that I've missed seeing this bug. The doesn't-eat-screen-waking-tap bug saved me from the applets-on-ice bug. Wonderful!

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You SO should have won that N810 video contest. :D

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I think it depends on what applets you use. I never had any trouble under 2007 with moving and locking and was actually surprised they changed it. But under 2008 it doesn't affect me since I only use the weather and radio applets.

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I have my home page stuffed with as many applets as I could squeeze in.. that's why it bothers me so much that the Nokia-applets (google bar, fm radio, internet radio, rss reader, contact list, heck - the status bar itself) can't be squeezed and stretched the way e.g. the excellent 3party simple-launcher can.

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And that is why I chose the n800, because I love that under Linux you can change stuff the way you desire. However, the n800 hasn't lived up to that dream. :)

I would rather run applications than applets but I want to be able to switch between them. I'd much rather have a radio application then the applet on the desktop, etc.

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But you do have the option! :D

http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...ead.php?t=9874

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Well, thank you for that info!

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The applet problem is annoying but it's not the end of the world. The bounces of the keyboard however is a big problem, especially when entering passwords.

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The only key entry issue I've had is when selected text is not deleted and replaced with my new input. I've had to delete the text in the box and then it would work.

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Agreed. I find it all the more frustrating because I switched to keyboard input to escape a bug with handwriting recognition and editing text in MicroB. I seem to be the only one experiencing that one though.

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I agree, the extra key bounce in OS2008 is very noticeable. Did they increase the sensitivity?

I'm also annoyed that they fiddled with the near-ideal layout - now the useful _ key is gone from the main keyboard, relegated to the special symbols.

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Surely they did something: while with os2007 right clicking (i.e. tap & hold) was a pain (most of the times it registered a double click instead), now it's noticeably easier. Pity for the keyboard.

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If Nokia is reading this thread... Please, please fix the javascript to get it running faster. It is just nuts that a modern web browser would have so much lag in loading java intensive pages.

Also, why not more system RAM? Seems that it would be easy enough to throw in 512 or more MB at today's prices.

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Battery life.

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And also that the RAM is an integrated part of a multi-purpose chip. It isn't just a question of deciding how many DIMMs to add (or we could actually have upgraded..)

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i was about to order this tablet about an hour ago....I might just hold off now. The one thing that concerned me the entire time I read it was the linux aspect. I'm also in the I.T field, a good 25 years worth, and I am mainly a MS user. I do have experience with Linux over the years among other OS's. However, every time I get interested in a device or linux distro that is "supposed" to a wonderful bunch of things, I try it, and always end up with a bad taste in my mouth. I am just not a fan of linux, and the incredible amount of effort it takes to do the most trivial of things. And my biggest complaint, I'm sorry linux fans, but Linux is far from stable, and the more more GUI it gets, the less stable it seems.

So, my fear with the n800 was will it be stable? My original use for it was to be a mere "remote control" for audio in my HT using a web interface, so perhaps I'll still try it out. I have never been a fan of the Apple Ipods of the world, and while the ipod touch is interesting, I was hoping the more open concept of the nokia would be more useful for other things. My fear here is that its just another Linux based wanna be great at something device that only seems to consume the owners time

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I dunno about that.. I've had plenty of desktops and servers running Linux with several years of uptime.

I had one with just over 1100 days, and then the power went out..

My N800 seems to be pretty darn stable so far, I think I've had it a few months, but it's been through a lot :)

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newf....a year ago i would have agreed with you entirely but after delving into ubuntu for some months and now maemo on the N800 I'd say things are better than before. 2007 was definitely a good year for Linux and the mainstream.

The sad part is that from my point of view it seems like the elites of the OS, the stalwarts, the ones that count don't seem to want to change their old habits and frankly its not helping a platform that has so much potential.

Stability is not its issue, there is so much Linux can offer, its real problem is its geekiness and the dragging feet of some of its people. It really need to break this bounds and join the party. Ubuntu is great start and Nokia has made a good platform for that move as well. The ball is now in the court of its developers and various elite-ish users. Cater to tom dick and harry, don't so readily dump them in terminal sudo hell.


Anyway, don't loose hope. Buy that N800 or N810, they are very good once you have some patience and you know where to look for apps.

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The only times Linux has be unstable for me is when there is an incompatibility with the hardware. If you are using bleeding edge hardware, you might experience problems until the device drivers get a few more revisions. However, this probably only applies to desktops.

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lets stick, on topic, my concern was if the n800 was not stable, and this thread certainly indicates it might not be.

I have to admit, the geek in me is still so close to just ordering it.

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Despite some negatives, it's a funny piece of technology, so if you can get a deal around, go for it!! You'll be very happy :cool:

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It is a sweet piece of miniaturization. If there's even just a little geek in you, you shouldn't have much trouble fleshing out its capabilities with the apps that can be installed and with the help available in this group.

I admit to spending more time on tricking it out than I thought I'd have to. But it's been pure fun.

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We have two N800 purchased for work. They have both been very "stable" for myself and my partner. An occasional browser shutdown for my partner with the beta version of MicroB in OS2007 (mainly on Orbtiz with other windows up). OS2008 on the other hand has been great for both of us. I just can't wait for the new communications/messaging software to be out of beta. :)

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I share a lot of the positive and negative sentiments in this thread but have gone tye way of the tablet in the hopes that I could be one of those users who helps developers think less in the terminal and more in the 'solving a issue simply' mindset.

Now, I do agree that a lot needs to be worked on. But what is here is quite impressive. If potential and 'some' hacking doesn't turn you off, this is a great platform. But it does require a good deal of patience.

That all being said, can a bro get a browser that does a nice zoom to view mode and handles js/ajax heavy sites with a bit more skill. For an internet device, one would think that the browser would be the most polished part.

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Not sure what's up with the talk about stability. I csn't remember my N800 ever crashing.

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I wonder how many of the people who've had so many problems and crashes etc bought their N800 before june?

its probably a matter of time and place.. like the 360. crashing etc with earlier models, but the newer ones work perfect, and more. im considering buying one within the next few weeks. Buying two even, one for my gf.. and I wonder if me buying them at the time I am makes a difference than to the people who bought theirs a while back, with all the bugs and crashing issues..


Or could I just be wrong..? :D

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Mine has not even yet! I was so excited when I found an open source tablet. It was getting depressing looking at all the Tablets, PDA's etc that run Windows Mobile. I am looking forward to hacking it and finding work rounds I can't wait. I have however used Ubuntu full-time for 2 years.

People should be aware this not Windows before buying it.

Helen

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For me it was not. But that's just me :0)
Good luck to you if you decide to buy one. hopefully you have good luck like some of the other people in here.
For context, I did end up getting the iPAQ 110 and it also had a defect where it would randomly reset itself, so I've sent that one back too. But I will be getting a new one a couple days from now, and I was more impressed with it than the N800 if for nothing else, the tiny size and very light weight plus the much better fit and finish.

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LOL. That's like saying I can't remember the my windows xp never crashing. The N800 is great, but it does crash.

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I'd say this needs some defining.

If "crash" = "system fully locked up or unable to use it with rebooting", then no, I have yet to see my n800 crash with daily use.

If "crash" = "an application locks up or exits" then that brings us into the world of individual apps, rather then the device/OS.

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My N800 has never crashed either. I've had MicroB lock up a couple of times, but no crashes ever.

R.
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pwng!!! finally a superior answer to my doubt :D

see.. im not into linux other than that of either:
A) WORKING programs that are 90-100% in working order

and/or

B) first party programs/what the darn thing was built/advertised to do


so i shouldnt have any problems! and yes.. i got and answer to the video chat thing.. thus why im buying my gf one, too after she saw me checking them out :cool:

it works best via N800 <--> N800 connection. sweet; you'll be hearing of me and my uber rants on how much I love my N800 very soon :p

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well, I just ordered one as well, worse case scenario, I sell it in a few weeks. I'm in Canada, so if anyone is interested in a new one used for a few weeks, keep in touch

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Is that Nokia's fault, or is the camera not being supported by Skype and Adobe? AFAIK, Skype has not yet implemented this feature yet. No idea why, but I'm guessing that Skype would rather be channeling it's resources to fix other revenue-impacting problems. NIT users make up like what, 0.2% of it's entire user base?

I'm just glad for now that I have Skype and Gizmo running on my iT. Video would be nice, but it's not a deal-breaker right now since many of my buddies don't have webcams.

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I've had my N800 for over a year now, no crashes after the first OS upgrade (the original OS version had a problem where occasionally a watchdog timer would see the DSP not responding, and auto-reboot the N800. Only happened when it was idle though, e.g. at night. Technically this wasn't actually a crash, it just looked like one until you learned the cause of it).

MicroB (mostly) and Opera (sometimes) have occasionally unexpectedly shut down. But it's been a year, and the number of browser crashes less than a handful. Not bad at all really. The metalayer-crawler sucked my battery dry on two occasions a few months back (after that I disabled it and nothing like that has happened again).

My N800 has been and continues to be a superb companion.

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Well, I got mine this week. I've been off all week so I have spent quite a few hours with it already. I spent an hour or so on 2007 before I upgraded to 08. I wasn't happy with the performance I was seeing in 07 so i was hoping for a bump in 08....that i never really got.

I can certainly see where some of the complaints in this thread derive from. The device is not consumer ready in my mind either. Luckily, I'm a geek as well, and I got things running on it fairly quickly.

My main purpose for this device was for home theater. A remote to control a PC for music. My original plan was to use Winamp/browse amp, but that hope was shattered when I seen how slooooow the browser was loading pages. If my song folder has lots a few hundred mp3's in it, it takes forever to list. I tried every skin I could get my hand on, and while "I" can use it, I don't think any other lesser user will be able which defeats why I bought it in the first place. I tried Slimserver, wawi, Signal and a few more i can't recall and they all had their flaws....mainly surrounding the slow browser. The same browser which likes to hang and crash from time to time...lovely.

Actually, the entire catalog of programs I've gotten so far all seem to have some issues with something, somehow.

Luckily, there is one little Gem that gets around this devices little quirks....rdesktop. When rdesktop does run, as sometimes it takes a few tries, I can do anything i want, much MUCH faster on my Windows MCE machine. Browse the web, control itunes, control winamp, check email, use MCE.....all much faster.

So, why is the browser in MAemo so @#$@#$ slow? This is an internet pad right? wouldn't it be critical to have a speedy internet browser? It seems to have issues with even basic text type pages at times. And no, it's not my internet, 6 meg dsl line.


If it wasn't for rdesktop...this thing probably...might still, go on ebay. I don't understand it really, it certainly has potential, besides the camera, it seems well built. The screen is nice, speakers are ok, mic even works ok. To me it's a little too small for my purpose, but that is pref.

All I know is that if Nokia doesn't pull this thing together...NOW, they are going to be left in the dust with all of the upcoming Mids and umpc's coming, heck even the touch/iphone.

I do like it ...i think, don't get me wrong.

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Understand and I am with you on this, but I would NEVER have an Apple anything *ever* again :-(.

One reason I have avoided that thread on what one would like to see in the n900. If Nokia keeps up like this I, for one, will not be participating.

The n810 impressed me *not at all*.

I am also very much in love with my n800, but most of the positive feelings I have for it came from the community and most of the hostilities and disgust come from what came from Nokia, sad to say.

I was a GREAT proponent of Nokia before this experience :-(.

Only thing that keeps me with this is the fine job the community is doing supporting it. Were it not a linux device, it would have already been history.

Next device, unless something changes seriously and soon, is probably going to be the EEE PC.

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Two words: unrealistic expectations.

This is not your Core 2 Duo desktop.

mpd + mmpc

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mpd requires linux box yes? i need windows based, but the idea of mpd/mmc is what i am looking 4

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No, mpd runs on just about anything.