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Thanks Iliaden,
Downloaded, we will check it . BR Marcelo |
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iliaden , you can just totally disable the metalayer-crawler , i did and general performance is ALOT better
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Hi, I am sorry if this is off topic a little, but how do I get the media scanner to recognize .flv videos (I have some Youtube videos downloaded from before the Youtube plugin, which I would like to be able to view through Canola).
Thanks in advance Patrick |
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Nif : we are going to add support on the next release (probably :) ) it's just a matter of adding one string to the scanner configs if I'm not mistaken.
But don't worry as we are adding the options to choose your downloads folder it will be also already scanned for the flv files. Br Marcelo |
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Hi handful,
during the test of beta5 I found some song (a lot really) that were not found by Canola. You then asked me to send the to you. What mailaddress should I mail them to? |
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my emaill is in gmail : handful
:) did you test on beta7 and still not finding it? Marcelo |
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N800, OS2007, latest stable release
Concentrating on YT plugin - had problems with libdownloadmanager0*, lightmediascanner0-id3lib, after some googling solved - after two-three clips whole tablet crashes (not always reproducible but happened three times after one hour of using) - why you rescale videos to panoramic proportions? most videos are in classic 4:3, look ugly and only adds CPU problems - sometimes very long delay between click on video and visible start of buffering without any feedback to the user - in grey theme buffering slider is almost invisible - wrong calculation of video length, last few seconds are clipped; for example Chris de Burgh Don't pay the ferryman uploaded by Starlord1999 is 3:20 but Canola reports 3:13 and plays up to ca 3:17 with funny effects for right side counter - no way to jump in video (eg from 53rd sec to 1:43)? Irritating things but this is really first non-sucking YT interface :) Keep up good work! |
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@vvaz : the crash was due to what? can you run with -vv on xterm try crashing it again to see if it is the "out of memory" problem ?
2) please, read the threads :)) we do not scale, it's a bug on embedded mplayer. We already fixed (on mplayer) but mplayer didn't released the new version with this fix. The only other way to fix it is too much of a hack (start mplayer, find the proportion, close mplayer and then restart it again with the right proportion). 3) We are working on improving that, but again sometimes is beyond us, I can assure you that my work is this, to provide a nice user experience, and I'm REALLY into details, and when they are possible to implement we do it asap, but in this case, we need to ask mplayer to open, start fetching the file, and seems that the cpu goes to right before the loading sign appears. We are always looking for this small things and there are already a lot to fix, but the best solution is to have a more "controlled" media engine, mplayer is too independent from us. That's why we are experimenting with lib xine, because has the same (probably) possible performance as mplayer and more control for the application embedding it. 4) nice comment, we will see what we can do (actually to have some kind of outline for clearer themes ) 5) This is also completely on mplayer, we do what we can to help the project. 4) Seek (or jump) is REALLY messy on the FLV support of mplayer. you can take a look on the page of the youtube browser application for maemo : "We need help with seek" :) so again, it's beyond our control in current mplayer. 5) I can guarantee that they irritate me even more :) because I have been using canola since way before it goes plublic and everything that I complain comes from the fact that we are independent from the render engine, and it's not easy to make one (actually for us would be almost impossible) and we are at least not stalled, praying for a solution, we are actually here with some xine developer + one of our guys doing a study to see the viability of having this. Thanks for the nice and detailed comments! Marcelo |
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Marcelo: I'm sure that has been suggested but I'll say it anyways, Album Art should be a viewing mode, not a separate method of viewing music. So, if I want to see Artists, Albums, Genres, etc., I should have a choice of viewing by text or album art.
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@handful
Well, since whole tablet is rebooting after crash I cannot produce any logs. I managed to crash it once more - happened when some other apps were opened, web browser, fbreader, spend-it. Probably this out-of-memory problem. Grey theme is very good, only this buffering slider is problem. Never did any regular tests (only ps output) but Kaffeine (http://kaffeine.kde.org) - heavy duty GUI KDE media player based on xine was using less memory than mplayer when viewing the same DVD. One more problem: started Canola without net connection, Search YT, "cannot locate server". Canola couldn't force tablet to connect on its own. Minimize app, connect to net manually, return to Canola, repeat search, still cannot find server. Had to restart Canola to detect net connection. |
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spice3D : I think it was said in different words, but don't worry :
You mean : if you are looking into a list of artists, you want to see a album art icon besides the name right (not the grid correct) ? But genres? if we do that we need to pick a random album art? that maybe cannot say much about the genre? sorry but I really disagree of the use here. Albums make sense, and they are already by album art, but maybe what we can implement in the future is the album art by artists. I think that is missing for sure. Br Marcelo |
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Several other issues (more general, not tied to Beta7):
1. Battery usage. Mplayer shortens battery life, I wonder how xine is doing in that field. While I don't like default Nokia apps they hit one thing perfectly - power usage. Built-in media player is very power efficient. Would it be possible to switch to it automatically for supported formats? 2. Another issue bothering me for long time. When "escaping" from track I land into playlist/album view and don't know in what part of playlist I am. IMO currently played track should be highlighted AND for few seconds slider should be shown for better orientation. Current track should be placed in middle of screen or second to show context. 3. To identify albums Canola uses combination of album title AND artist which leads to absurd effects. For example soundtrack of Shrek 2 is shown in Canola as 13 albums! The same applies to albums where are invited guests etc. 4. Scrolling is erratical. Everything works well with light load of device, but with anything going into background (or sometimes even just playing) IT has problems with detection of events and the only way to scroll without accidentally entering selection is use of "safe zone" on the left. Problem is this area is too narrow to comfortably use. Sure, it is wider than corresponding widgets in rest of Hildon interface but it is narrower than similar elements of Canola. This area should be wider AND on both sides. |
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@vvaz : It already does that automatically. It only uses mplayer as default because it has better performance for video. There's a atabake .conf file on your home folder ( .atabake/.conf if I'm not mistaken) that does the mime type associations.
Audio : most of formats play with default media player because it's more efficient. Video : most formats play with mplayer because of better performance. You can try setting up the basic video formats to the default media player. 2. Actually we have this since the first design, and it became a programming / performance issue. I asked for the icon to show that that particular song is playing, but there's some problems with implementing that now. It's on our list of fixes for the list component. But I agree with you that the scrollbar should stay a little bit more, and we will do that, actually it was talked in beta7 that it should be at least semi-transparent most of the time. We are prototyping that to see the best solution. 3. Please, read the threads :) the multiple album solutions out there a based on "players" on the desktop particular tags. To avoid that we became "agnostic" to those and tried to do the most generic / id3 compliant solution. EVEN with that there's a small feature in the settings part ( multiple album entries ) that willl fix this automatically for you allowing you to merge any album that shows duplicated. It uses not only the principles you said, but others. I know most of people never read it (myself included sometimes) but it was already on the canola "manual" : http://www.openbossa.indt.org/canola/using.html#mlib If there's a solution that 100% for all cases, we will implement. while this do not appear we will slowly improve according to the standards of each tag implementation. ps: we tried a lot of possible combinations, and there's always a case that fails. 4. This was widely discussed in several threads, and I explained not only the design decisions but also the whole concept decision why there will be not a wider area there, and so on. So, again as I said before: if you don't mind... use "it would be nice if.." and not "should". We are doing our best following our concept / goal for the application. It's unfortunately impossible to please everyone, and I will personally not change the plans I have for it for now. The good part is that the IT provides lot's of choice, and as we don't charge any money for the application you can change without loss to the other applications that implement that kind of thing. I know it's a high price to pay to lose a user (and I really care about it) but I do not think we compete with other players, with complete each other. Kagu has a simple 2 click solution to avoid miss click, media box has a simple "play" are on the item to avoid miss click and they are all nice applications that does what we do... (and they are done in python, which makes us quite happy because we are python advocates ) and can guarantee that you would at least solve this problem. Did you try with the flat themes? they speed up things and behave better in heavy load cpu situations. Anyways, your point 2 is really valid, and help us improving Canola and also validates what we thought was wrong. We thank you very much for the time / effort on using reporting the problems to us. *ps: i hope you don't take my words as rudeness, in the opposite we are all searching for a nice user experiences, so if we cannot fulfill it we for sure give alternative ways to do it. Cheers, Marcelo |
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how can i find and back up (or play with another player) the youtube files.
i couldn't locate them with the file manager... i ran into the same "out of space" issue too... i moved the nokia demo video and could load a few more youtube files... |
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Hi vvaz,
We do provide it, and like I posted in several threads, the scrolling thing is "variable" there's users with problems, there's users with no problem, there are users that have not "grasped" the way to scroll safely, and so on. The thing is, that was not even supposed to be a safe zone, it's a happening. The right side is dedicated to widgets and to the important matter of showing the bar indicating where you are. So, if things are like this I would really provide the same experience, removing the safe zone, but I don't consider this to be harmful as for example it works for you at least a little bit. Again, canola suffers also from one evil : we tried to be a "capacitive-ready" ui on a resistive touch device. This is our sin, and to fix that we would need to deeply redesign, and as I'm looking more into the future, and future evolutions I think it was worth the experiment to have this, even with failures. My team and I have learned a lot about the scrolling issues, scrolling technics, and we will be prepared for the future / future projects because our goal was really to be different, be equal means to use some of the concepts of the others players, but if you have them I should we do the same... that's what's nice about maemo : freedom of choice, and we are more than glad with the outcomes, and I think we will be able to improve it a lot more to even make you happier with the scrolling thing :) If we had a "canola" device (I know 'if' is a easy resort) there would not be that much thing bellow blocking the interaction like in your case, but I can promise you one thing : we are not stopped, let this get worse .. we are trying and experimenting with everything possible to improve it, in the coding level. In the design level we will not change unless is really necessary in some points Eg given of ITT suggestion that changed the design : a) the accidental hit of delete button in the settings, now it will hide automatically b) lack of some user feedback in several interactions c) changes on the album art size, text movements etc d) changes on hit areas of elements to improve success rate e) changes on the scrollbar, made numbers bigger, gave more space to back and option buttons and a lot more, trying always to cope with the basic concept :) I'm glad you didn't find it rude. Yes, a RTFM is a little bit too much. And as I don';t like to read it, I won't write it for others :) Anyways dude, just your time of talking to me, pointing out your ideas / comments is already taken as a great thing for us. And as you know it's nothing personal / against users but more a thing of knowing that the fix is not as simple as people think when looking from outside. We have a small joke inside from devs to interaction designers that is something like that : "Please Dev, do that for me... it's probably just an 'if' on your code " :) Cheers dude, Marcelo |
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Ah! So Youtube plugin uses Mplayer?
I was wondering why it worked with my bluetooth headphones. While Youtube doesn't have stereo (or is it me?), it was pretty good experience. After that, of course, I immediately started regretting that a2dp hack doesn't work with Canola... :( Oh, and I'm really glad to see new themes. My favorite so far is Deep Blue. P.S. This is my first post here. ;) |
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Hi Dmitri,
We wanted a2dp since the beginning, but as you know canola is cpu intensive in most of interactions (scrolling mainly) using today's a2dp support would make the experience totally crap, then we went to do the right thing : We had one guy working just to improve the performance of the a2dp profile straight in the blueZ project (the bluetooth stack for linux, used in the tablets). We had excellent results, the performance is now very very nice, and once the new blueZ is on the tablet (next release we think) we will put the support on Canola by default, with controls :) It's our way, we don't like that much "hacks" :) I know we pissed some users off because of that, but you can do a hack on canola : set mplayer as player of everything (audio and video) it is not recommend but will give you today's a2dp hack a chance :) I hope with the testing environment + the web service for compile themes + the design sheets, more themes will appear :) cheers, and welcome! Marcelo |
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OpenBossa Labs Team,
First of all thank you for a great application (Canola) and I look forward for the next release. But, I have some suggestions that I would like in Canola. I use Miro on my PC and I'd like some of the functionality implemented in Canola. Like the following: - Auto delete podcast after preset number of days - Ability to keep the podcast after until user decide to delete the file, a button on the playback screen will be handy while driving - Auto download NEW podcast from preset feed These functionalities will be a must in the desktop version. Thanks again, Jacques |
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Hi Jabastien, I will comment your suggestions :)
a) yes, this is a nice idea, we can add to podcast backlog for future releases ( on front still : implement a way to show the episode descriptions, debugging and error handling on downloads, and more options (download all, delete all etc) b) I think we do that already :) if you downloaded it will be there, so I guess you're saying something like (mark as "keepable" eheheh) right? so it won't get deleted by the first suggestion? c) yes, this is already on the backlog (was asked by lots of people) we have just a small concern, but I think we will leave this to use. If you enable auto downloads, canola will download the last episode in the background until downloads all feeds's latest episodes) so people will need to be careful when connecting using the cellphone data plans with no unlimited usage :))))) Again : we will not make a desktop version :) canola UI as it is, is completely made for touchscreen. While I did most of the decisions based on the fact that it could be controlled with a 4-way rocker + 3 buttons ( a remote ) Canola today is only suitable for real use on touchscreen devices (there's no selection / focus in elements and some screens don't make much sense in real desktop size ) The desktop version is purely for testing purposes of third party plugins and themes :) Cheers, Marcelo |
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Well, Canola2 beta 7 works fine except for Ogg/Vorbis support.
I do have working Vorbis support in the Nokia player (ogg-support), mplayer can also play the file. Canola doesn't notice the files, though. Any way to fix it? |
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Astral,
IT was missing the package for the LMS (scanner) to recompile and repackaged, we are sorry for this huge mistake, but it;s going to be solved in the next week release. BR Marcelo |
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more feedback:
I have [recently] posted a few screenshots of the missing bottom buttons. Someone replied saying that they disappear when the CPU is loaded with some other process. My feedback is that it's not the case: started my IT; waited 5 minutes after complete boot to make sure; ran Canola... same problem! Also, I noticed another program flaw: SOMETIMES (trying to find the cause; yet unsuccessful), when using canola to play local audio, the back button stops working. Note: this is a software problem since it does not respond to neither the onscreen button, the hardware button, or any "left" input over bluetooth (cell phone & keyboard). This problem may occur right after staring canola, or after some time using it. P.S. metalayer-crawler is disabled; does not affect canola performance AT ALL. P.P.S. metalayer-crawler is a system process that reads media info (ID3) for the default media player... VERY resource-hungry process for an un-optimized media player. Btw, Canola's media playback optimization is also mediocre (wish i could say more), since it ofter (once every ~3 min) lags for 1/4 sec on local mp3 playback. Is there any codec/library I should install to fix this? thanks Ilia |
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iliaden,
The bad news : we (as I said before) don't play the mp3s. At all. Your mp3s if you didn't change you conf file (people do that to use bluetooth a2dp) uses the SAME codecs, actually the same engine as the default media player. The only thing different is that we send commands through DBUS, while the default media player don't need to do that. But I need you do one last thing : let it play without interact : see if it also lag as you said. Why am I asking that : when on idle, canola uses almost no CPU, thus it shouldn't be problematic. The codecs are exactly the same, as we really send " play " to media engine. I think we fixed some of the problems of the missing buttons, we were able to reproduce sometimes, but I will see if we can find this back problem. you said you tried even bluetooth... are you using bluetooth always, when those problems happens? PPS : we are intimate friends to the metalayer -crawler :) We are aware that canola is cpu intensive, but we have been using canola on brand new n800s and n810 with only the problems everyone faces... so it's has been quite a challenge to us to replicate some of the issues you said to try to kill any bug that maybe causing them. Sometimes they can be tied to a simple detail... so the more we talk the more we can find this trigger and try to see what can be done to solve it. Conclusion : canola media " playback " doesn't exist. We use our " media " layer (atabake) just to " send " comaands to the current playback " engine" that is by default : maemo media engine , so any other application using maemo media engine should be facing the same problems in your device, IF it was not cpu related. This is the only thing canola does " different " we use more cpu while animating screens. So if you can tell me more details, of this lags... when they happen (swtiching from screen to screen : which screens? if it's the photos.. how many thumbnails...) And just to remind me : you use Os2008 + n810 correct? BR Marcelo |
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Hi Handful,
Just a house-keeping suggestion here: Next time you make a version announcement, how about making multiple new related threads:
I just waded through 15 pages of posts to make sure there weren't any updates on the specific YouTube issues. :( 15 pages in a little over a week! This kind of "one thread to rule them all" can be painful, especially since we've got a whole dedicated forum for Canola. Just a constructive suggestion! :) P.S. I love Canola! When I want to show off my IT, this is the app I'm most likely to bring up! |
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Alphaman: the problem is that : people even with that tends to post without searching : /
But nice suggestion, we will adopt it. Br MArcelo |
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This Beta is fantastic!
I love showing it to my co-workers. Everyone says "Oooh! AaaH!" Canola makes my already cool N810 rock. I've had it for several days now and I won't suggest any fixes since I know you're already working on them. :o) Thanks!! |
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Hi Paul :)
Thanks in behalf of everyone working on it :) and yes lot's of improvement coming! Br Marcelo |
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Well, I think desktop Canola would be awesome way for built-in Car-puter system ;)
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yeah, in that sense you can use the build we are going to release :)
Br Marcelo |
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I did a search for "Resume" through this forum but didn't see any talk of it. Not sure if it was talked about in different terms...
What I would love to see is a "auto-resume" function when you load up a file that you had been playing before to resume back where you left off. Or, a way to add a "bookmark" to your current spot and resume back from that spot. Also, I have been trying to figure out what the 4 squares are in the top right hand corner?? |
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handful
finally i nistalled canola 2 beta1 tonight! (i couldn't install beta 7 right now) two problems: first it can't read my photos on mmc2 gallery folder (maybe they are more pics yes? and i need to select 2 par folders) second the video player is Dedicated to my Mplayer! i want for Media Player!??? what can i do? please help tnx! |
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Hi ylsf :
The resume is already present in podcast and if I'm not mistaken in videos as well. Anyhow it only remembers the last played, thus is not a bookmark feature. We have some plans for that, but while there is more serious problems to solve, this feature will remain on the queue. The explanation for the 4 squares : Canola official site manual : http://www.openbossa.indt.org/canola/using.html#busage My personal blog where I comment a lot about canola's UI design decisions : Here Br Marcelo |
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@italo : sorry but I will not be able to help you too much on beta1 issues, take a look in the beginning of the forum maybe you will find something.
to change from mplayer to the default media player please edit the file ~/.atabake/conf about the not finding pictures, you checked the correct foldes on your media library settings and they do not appear? What is happening that you are not able to install beta7? and from where are you installing beta1??? from that alternative repository? (if so it's probably because of this) Marcelo |
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yes freind the photo promlem is solved it just can't read 1 pic and so all the full folder gallery couldn't read photos i just removed and solved! (strange yes?) and i am going for video now.... by the way i installed canola 2 by my application manager from http://repo.maemo.chatonka.com/chinook/testing/ |
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Well,
why you didn't install the beta7? it has been more than 3 months of development, and we are far ahead of that release ! : / also the fact that you installed via this repository will generate more problems when you decide to update : / This photo problem for example, was told here and fixed on beta3 if I'm not mistaken! : / MArcelo |
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friend here is my bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3029 i contacted to official nokia house here and told them about my problem here and they promised to fix it for me! Code:
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wait friend please can u upload all package for canola 2 beta 7 (tha last version) on another website for me?
please possible? then i can update my beta 1 to beta 7 with my application Manager! (is it right? yes?) i can't...how can i change from mplayer to the default media player? ~/.atabake/conf ??????? please a teach here! tnx |
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Hi Marcelo,
first, with the reminder: n800, OS2008. about the lag: occurs on flat ground: no open programs; after the lag, I immediately switched to desktop, which showed me a standard cpu load (~10%). I use Canola only for audio playback... along with youtube after your new (great!) add-on. I just leave the device , buttons & screen locked, and the lag still occurs. If you are interested, the only additions that are always running on my device are : personalmenu, advanced-backlight, load-appelet & personal-menu, along with 3 desktop appelets: GPE summary, clock, FMradio. I thought that GPE summary might be interfering, so I disabled it. The lag did not yet occur... will keep "testing" ;) I mentioned bluetooth: when using my n800 as a music player, I connect it via bluetooth to my cell phone, and use my cell as a remote. Imput that I can send from my cell is: 4-direction arrow, "home" key, enter, escape ("back" key). If you could add the option to control the volume using up/down, this would greatly simplify my life (no need to get it out of my pocket, unlock, set the volume, lock again...) Next... the lag is not at all associated to bluetooth use... or at least I haven't discovered this yet. The disappearance of the bottom buttons, might be... will give feedback in ~1-2 days. I never use my bluetooth keyboard with Canola (with one single exception mentioned in my last post), and i'm not planning to, unless you need feedback there (gladly willing to help). Quote:
Actually, before I killed it for good, it ate a few hours of CPU, 100% load, after I inserted a media card in the slot. Also, a few questions regarding the youtube plugin (works great, btw) 1) where does it store saved files? 2) what format does it save video files? 3) the filename of the saved files (if there is something in particular) 4) how does it index those files? along with the rest of audio, video & images or does it just recall the previous settings? 5) is there any way of modifying the location (from internal flash, as I figured it out) to memory card (either mmc1 or mmc2...)? thank you Ilia |
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