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wsiebert 2008-06-12 20:57
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Quote:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pushwall View Post
So I tried: kill $(pidof dsp_dld). That command ran with no output.
When I run this.command, I get "cannot kill pid 2460: operation not ppermitted "

Pushwall 2008-06-12 22:56
Re: Access Releases Garnet VM Beta 2
 
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Originally Posted by wsiebert (Post 191463)
When I run this.command, I get "cannot kill pid 2460: operation not ppermitted "
Did you run it as root?

wsiebert 2008-06-13 00:14
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yes, I did.

Pushwall 2008-06-13 11:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wsiebert (Post 191506)
yes, I did.
Well it doesn't really matter. The command to use to fix the sound system when Garnet VM whacks it out is:
dsp_dld
That does the trick for me (not the kill command that gave you an error).

Wzrd 2008-06-15 03:40
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Garnet still sucks. It STILL does not run the apps I use on my regular palm like Trip Deluxe and just crashes when I try to run it.

So, i'm still stuck carrying my N800 as well as my Palm device.

Stupid Nokia for not including a working PIM with the N800/N810.

Yes I know it is an "Internet Tablet" but they could have made it so much more by adding a PIM and Office functionality to it. But, at least adding a PIM to it.

A simple PIM shouldn't take THAT much memory. I mean look at the Palm devices like the Palm 3 or V. It was a PIM that ran well AND only 2/4MB of memory for apps. The later models had 8MB memory and ran even better and with a color display.

Anyways, Garnet still sucks. I still have yet to find any of the handful of apps/games which I use all the time on my palm that will run without crashing on Garnet.

tso 2008-06-15 06:51
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thing is that just about every nokia phone comes with pim functionality. same with other phone brands (dont know about the ones that are sold with operator firmwares tho as i stay well away from those). so for nokia to put pim in both their tablet and their phone (they are more or less designed to be companion devices) would be a waste of resources in their opinion.

and there are pim software available from third party, and quite easy to install to imo.

rlauzon 2008-06-16 11:33
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Originally Posted by tso (Post 192225)
and there are pim software available from third party, and quite easy to install to imo.
The problem is that none of them come even close to being useful - let alone as useful at the PIM functions on the Palm.

tso 2008-06-16 11:36
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seems plenty useful to me, but then i have not been much of a pim user until recently...

PinCushionQueen 2008-06-16 12:42
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IMHO, the main problem with using GVM for calendar and todo apps is a lack of functioning reliable alarms.

BoxOfSnoo 2008-06-16 14:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tso (Post 192225)
thing is that just about every nokia phone comes with pim functionality. same with other phone brands (dont know about the ones that are sold with operator firmwares tho as i stay well away from those). so for nokia to put pim in both their tablet and their phone (they are more or less designed to be companion devices) would be a waste of resources in their opinion.
In my opinion, the least they should do is port these simple apps over to the tablets. To me, NOT doing so is a waste of resources.

What they COULD do is have an improved one on the tablet that could sync over bluetooth to the phone so they are actually "companion" devices and not just "estranged cousin" devices. I would much more enjoy being able to enter events on the tablet, and I like having the option of a silent alarm on the phone. Right now they don't work together at all - I don't see any advantage to getting a Nokia phone over a competitor's offering, as far as synergy is concerned. I do like my 6275i though, I wish it melded better with the n800.

Quote:
Originally Posted by tso (Post 192225)
and there are pim software available from third party, and quite easy to install to imo.
They're getting there but they're really basic, man. Wouldn't it be cool to beam an event via bluetooth to your phone or someone else? How long has Palm had that feature? How about integrating to-do items into the calendar - or putting alarms on those tasks with deadlines?

For more advanced features, I'd absolutely love icons for appointments and subtasks. And big finger-size checkboxes.

We have some catching up to do to get to the basic Palm level. We have the hardware potential to blow way past but I think we need serious buy-in from Nokia to approach that.

Benson 2008-06-16 15:11
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That's an excellent point regarding making a PIM that syncs nicely with the PIM in your Nokia phone. OTOH, though... think about the backlash about that kind of vendor lock-in?

I'm not saying it'd be bad, but there would be people getting frosted about having a PIM that doesn't have full functionality with whatever phone they use.

I'm still not persuaded that they necessarily come out ahead that way, but it's certainly more likely than if they make a generic standalone PIM with no Nokia-phone integration...

BoxOfSnoo 2008-06-16 16:57
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Well look at it now, the tablet comes with NO PIM, expecting you to have a good one on the phone. I had an older Samsung with a rotten PIM before, and wasn't frosted.

Here's an easy solution. Sync both to a Nokia phone by bluetooth and to an online web calendar. For other phone users, tell them they can visit the online calendar via phone browser or put the burden of downloading and syncing to the other handset manufacturer.

Instead of telling their own customers (tablet users) to suffer and use the online version they could tell other non-users to do so. Cater to their customers and make owning a tablet a preferable solution.

Major bonus points for making the online calendar open source and possible to host anywhere. Make "MobileMe" obsolete before it's even released! :)

tso 2008-06-16 17:39
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i wonder what happened to whoever it was that was working on getting opensync going on the tablets...

sgosnell 2008-06-16 18:43
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The NIT isn't even in the same league as Palm for PIMs. There are tons of Palm apps that are very useful, even essential, on a handheld device. OTOH, no Palm is in the same league as an NIT for web browsing. Web browsing is the only thing the NIT does well, and it's entirely a software problem. I too am stuck carrying a Palm, and rarely even bother with my N800 because my EeePC does everything else much better. Until a real, robust, and syncable PIM suite is available, the NIT is just a toy.

rcsteiner 2008-06-16 21:48
Re: Access Releases Garnet VM Beta 2
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wzrd (Post 192200)
Garnet still sucks. It STILL does not run the apps I use on my regular palm like Trip Deluxe and just crashes when I try to run it.
Wow. I'm finding the opposite experience, but I suspect I'm coming from an older Palm world (m105's, IIIc's, and Fossil Abacus, all running either PalmOS 3.5.x or 4.x).

Quote:
Anyways, Garnet still sucks. I still have yet to find any of the handful of apps/games which I use all the time on my palm that will run without crashing on Garnet.
In my case, the following seem to work fine: Parens, Calcul8!, BigCLock, DateBk3, PalmDB, EZFtp, Xiino, List, IdeaPad, PalmBio, Progect, PTally, pTelnet, QuikBudget, TikTok,. and WWCalc. I have a list of about 20 games loaded which also work (Yahdice, Vexed, PocketChess, Patience, Crossword, MicroFlexx, Rally 1000, Hearts, Cribbage, etc.).

I'd pay US$50 for Garnet's VM as it stands now on my 770.

BoxOfSnoo 2008-06-17 13:45
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Originally Posted by rcsteiner (Post 192685)
In my case, the following seem to work fine: Parens, Calcul8!, BigCLock, DateBk3, PalmDB, EZFtp, Xiino, List, IdeaPad, PalmBio, Progect, PTally, pTelnet, QuikBudget, TikTok,. and WWCalc. I have a list of about 20 games loaded which also work (Yahdice, Vexed, PocketChess, Patience, Crossword, MicroFlexx, Rally 1000, Hearts, Cribbage, etc.).

I'd pay US$50 for Garnet's VM as it stands now on my 770.
Does the sound work or crash the VM?

I miss Rally 1000....

glaganie 2008-06-18 13:28
Re: Access Releases Garnet VM Beta 2
 
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Originally Posted by sgosnell (Post 192620)
The NIT isn't even in the same league as Palm for PIMs. There are tons of Palm apps that are very useful, even essential, on a handheld device. OTOH, no Palm is in the same league as an NIT for web browsing. Web browsing is the only thing the NIT does well, and it's entirely a software problem. I too am stuck carrying a Palm, and rarely even bother with my N800 because my EeePC does everything else much better. Until a real, robust, and syncable PIM suite is available, the NIT is just a toy.
This is the best conclusion there is. Nothing replaces a real native Palm OS device. Unless Garnet VM would offer full compability, manage sound correctly, wifi, bluetooth, hotsync, etc. I can't remember how many times I transfered all my stuff from my Sony
TH55 to another device ( N810 or other ), trying hard to get away without the TH55 and then getting back very soon to it, because I was missing too many features..

The real question is : can Access come out with a viable Garnet VM ? Is it technically possible at all?

stevecrye 2008-06-18 22:46
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Hi all;

While I agree that Garnet VM is not a replacement for power-Palm users and needs improvement, it does most of everything I need:

* I mostly used the Contacts and Memos. Because the Palm puts everything into an internal DB, not files, the "search" function pops you right into the line in the memo you are looking for. That one Palm app is essential to me, and having it on my Nokia instantly improved my productivity.

* I do use the Calendar and to-do a lot, but don't reply on either for alarms. For appointment alarms, I've been using the corporate calendar/email to send a text message to my phone - a small, light, super-reliable Samsung r500 with extended battery that lasts me about 1 week between charges. Lack of sound is not a big problem for me, and on my old Zire I would not always hear the alarms.

* The handwriting recognition works as fast as it does on the real Palm. I've been using Jot for so long I can write almost as fast as I can actually print with a pencil - far faster than I can type on the horrible n810 keyboard.

* My few custom apps - ip calc, etc. - ported over fine
http://www.panoramio.com/photos/original/11295553.jpg

Before I installed Garnet my n810 was mostly a surf toy combined with a very nice way to ssh and vnc to my servers. Now it is all that plus I have my PIM back! Hooray!

Steve

ebrindle 2008-06-19 18:41
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Originally Posted by stevecrye (Post 193301)
Hi all;

While I agree that Garnet VM is not a replacement for power-Palm users and needs improvement, it does most of everything I need:

...

Before I installed Garnet my n810 was mostly a surf toy combined with a very nice way to ssh and vnc to my servers. Now it is all that plus I have my PIM back! Hooray!

Steve
How true!

I've missed my Palm PIM. But while I'd got GPE and Ermnig working - it had its own set of warts that made it effectively unusable with a very convoluted sync process (Outlook to Google to Erming).

dwforslund 2008-06-19 20:15
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Hotsync fails for me when I have any user added applications. Is there a way to avoid this?

roblynn 2008-06-19 23:21
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Originally Posted by dwforslund (Post 193639)
Hotsync fails for me when I have any user added applications. Is there a way to avoid this?
Can you provide an exact error? What does the HotSync dialog box report in GVM? What is the error reported in the HotSync Log on the PC?

I have encounted a problem where the GVM reports "Failed (Connection Lost)". And the HotSync log reports:
Code:
System synchronization failed
HotSync Error: Connection is lost  (6410)
HotSync operation complete 06/19/08 19:15:16
I solved this by looking in the log and identifying the last file being processed then using FileZ to view the details of the file and unmarking the "backup" attribute bit. Eventually all the files that were causing trouble were not marked to be backed up and the hotsync completed fine.

Hope this helps,

Robert B.

Pushwall 2008-06-20 13:33
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Check out this review of Garnet VM over at Brighthand. It's a good summary of the emulator.

dwforslund 2008-06-22 00:07
Re: Access Releases Garnet VM Beta 2
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by roblynn (Post 193682)
Can you provide an exact error? What does the HotSync dialog box report in GVM? What is the error reported in the HotSync Log on the PC?

I have encounted a problem where the GVM reports "Failed (Connection Lost)". And the HotSync log reports:
Code:
System synchronization failed
HotSync Error: Connection is lost  (6410)
HotSync operation complete 06/19/08 19:15:16
I solved this by looking in the log and identifying the last file being processed then using FileZ to view the details of the file and unmarking the "backup" attribute bit. Eventually all the files that were causing trouble were not marked to be backed up and the hotsync completed fine.

Hope this helps,

Robert B.

This is the error I see. I'll try what you say but it was true for any application that I've installed.

dwforslund 2008-06-22 02:27
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That did the trick. Thanks!. I had some problems including having all the applications disappear and I had to reinstall them, but they do work now. The message is pretty cryptic. I gather then that I can't back up the applications I've added?

jeffreytz 2008-07-01 05:35
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Originally Posted by Kevinpsu160 (Post 187362)
I have tried the app with my slingbox and can not enter my password. When I type my password into the the slingbox settings it always changes to an *. Does anyone else have this problem? Has anyone else tried the using their slingbox?
I loaded Garnet beta 2 just to see if the slingbox player would work (since there isn't one for the n800 yet). The * for the password is normal; its the "security mask" so no one can see your password (because everyone wants to crack into your DVR!). It wouldn't take my password if I entered it wth the soft keyboard; I would get an error saying my password had to be less than 21 characters (which it is). However once I typed it in via grafitti it accepted the password fine.

However it didn't matter - while the audio worked fine, there was no picture, just a black square. I tried a couple of different configuration settings (i.e. display compatibility) but nothing helped.

So, close but no cigar, no backdoor Slingplayer for the Nokia yet.

JT

antikx 2008-07-21 14:04
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Hello,
Is there any way to set up external memory in the latest Garnet VM?
I would like to play this game with sound:
http://www.rzanerutledge.com/edge/information.html
Unfortunately the sound files are ogg files that need to be on an external memory card.

TA-t3 2008-07-21 14:49
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Short answer: No. I think the feature is on Access' list for the next release, but it's better to check their FAQ directly. It's certainly a much wished-for feature.

migs 2008-07-21 15:42
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I guarranty that when they implement the card feature Garnet VM will no longer be free. They got to pay the bills some how...

JoeF 2008-07-29 14:54
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If it actually worked properly it would be worth something.

cheve 2008-07-29 15:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by migs (Post 205469)
I guarranty that when they implement the card feature Garnet VM will no longer be free. They got to pay the bills some how...

I would also consider paying for this feature. This is the missing feature that prevents me from using the VM as a real tool. I also like the ability to use more than 64MB(say as large as 4GB) for heap storage:-)

j2u 2008-09-20 14:37
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Version 2beta performs very well and provides a reliable installation of jfile database version 5. As I was unable to find a quick application for converting csv files into databases, I was very pleased with the results and the display of both new versions. Bouquets all around. J2u

Xtremegene 2008-11-20 20:03
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Anyone have any idea or info about what will be next for the Garnet VM, as this beta is supposed to expire at the end of this month?

Edit: Guess I posted a few days too early since Beta 3 is out now.

Palmleavr 2009-03-02 03:06
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Hi--how do you create more than one GVM installation on your machine?

Quote:
Originally Posted by burmashave (Post 187228)
My experience seems to be **much worse** that most posted so far. I created a new GVM installation and installed about 60 Mb of applications and data that had been on a previous installation. It worked O.K. at first. Then, I tried to change the font size within MyBible, and GVM crashed--destroying the entire installation (wiping the gvm.store file). That's much worse than anything I experienced with the previous beta. (I had used the same font size function at least 100 times using the previous beta.)

I have a few other thoughts:

1) Access has not increased the 64 Mb image limit. Currently, I have created 4 separate launchable GVM's so that I can install just some of the software and data that I had working on my T3. This is a pain because I have to stop one GVM and launch another to use some applications.

The behavior of the GVM makes me guess that Access may not increase this limit unless it can vastly speed up launch times. Startup times are fast for installations with smaller footprints (< 15 Mb); however, the GVM still starts very slowly (approx. 30 seconds) for installations with gvm.store files in the 55+ Mb range. I would guess that Access may be setting a 64 Mb upper limit because larger installations would be painfully slow in starting.

2) As far as I know, Access uses a proprietary format for the storage file (gvm.store). In my opinion, it would be a **vast improvement** to move to a open format, such as a vfat image file mounted as a loopback device. Doing so would allow users to directly edit the storage file. In my case, this would speed up installation of applications and data, and it would allow me to install non pdb/prc files without syncing. Note that the external storage cards on Palms are currently formatted as vfat.

3) I wonder if launch times could be drastically reduced by selecting a default application to be launched and then caching that information/image on exit.
I am still working out how to get the GVM to work well on my Nokia N810. I'm transitioning from my Palm TX and have bumped into the 64 MB limit. My medical programs (Skyscape, Unbound Medicine, Epocrates) alone will take up one whole GVM! I also have many DRM'd ebooks that I'd like to read. (For the others: thank goodness for FBreader! However, it looks like I'll have to give up several of my Tomeraider 3 titles until ACCESS comes out with VFS capability with a new version of GVM).

I still can't get my device to sync to my Mac via Missing Sync, but I've gotten some ideas from several forum members and now know how to manually enter a Hotsync ID and Device ID for the Garnet VM. However, it looks like I'll have to reflash my GVM again unless I can find out how to just create new GVM's. Like burmashave, I'll probably need at least four installations!

Addison 2009-03-04 08:41
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Could someone please tell me what OS Version this is equivalent to in terms of a Palm OS?

Like I have something that requires a "Minimum OS Version: 3.0". Will this work?

Thanks!

Palmleavr 2009-03-04 10:49
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As far as I understand, the Garnet VM emulates Palm OS 5.x, so your program that requires Palm OS 3.0 minimum should have no problem.
If you wish, in the configuration dialogue, you can choose a device model for each installed Palm app--you have your choice of:
1. Treo 650
2. Tungsten T3
3. Tungsten T5
4. Palm T|X
5. Custom

For the Custom choice, you get to input a Company ID and Device ID. Here is a link to a table where I think you can find the right codes.

http://homepage.mac.com/alvinmok/palm/codenames.html

As far as I can tell, you only need to specify the Device Model IF your application has trouble launching. Otherwise, choosing "default" for the Device Model should be fine. All of the other choices (other than Custom) are Palm OS 5.x devices.

As an aside: Changing the Device Model with the configuration dialogue will NOT change the Device ID that your computer sees during a Hotsync. There are other posts on this forum for manually changing that information in the gvm.store using Terminal.

Palmleavr 2009-03-04 12:49
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Well, I've found the answer to my previous post about how to create multiple GVM installations on the NIT--I just needed to try using the forum tools a bit more extensively.
I found burmashave's instructions (Thanks, burmashave!) here:

http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...d.php?p=135714

What I don't yet understand is where all the code is supposed to go. As a newbie, I presume I should input this all into Terminal, but I also wonder about how to create Scripts (for repeated commands). I haven't found out the instructions for doing this in the Maemo Wiki.

Addison 2009-03-08 01:54
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Thanks for the response, Palmleavr!

I'm going to try and spend as much time this weekend installing all of the awesome medical junk bunanson has posted about in his many threads.

I still have yet to figure out how to hot sync but I'm feeling a little lucky this time around.

Cheers. :)

dfinch 2009-03-10 03:21
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Addison,

These are my quick instructions for hot sync:

HOTSYNC NAME
To install (and continue to use) any paid for application under GVM, the HotSync name must be established in GVM.
Name: yourname

SETTING HOTSYNC NAME
If the hotsync name needs to be set, we need to sync one time with the Palm Desktop app in Windows:
1. Open Palm Desktop in Windows
2. Select Hotsysnc/Custom dropdown menu
3. Edit every line that does not say ‘Do Nothing’ to ‘do nothing‘ except rtime.dll which is left as desktop overwrites handheld.
4. Open GVM on N810
5. Select HotSync button near bottom right corner
6. Enter (or confirm) I.P. address as xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
7. Start HotSync
8. When complete, confirm HotSync name as follows.

CONFIRMING HOTSYNC NAME
I use aClock, open it and go to Options/Register …
You should see
HotSync Name:
yourname

In any case, you should be able to go on frome here to install whatever you need.

Addison 2009-03-11 07:26
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Thanks for the response, dfinch!

Because of your post I made it all the way through step one without a hitch! *lol*

Okay, with step 2. I'm not seeing "Hotsysnc/Custom drop down menu". However, there is a "Launch Hotsync Manager" to click.

Step 2.5 should be to click on "Show details", I think. Right about now I'm already half way lost.

Step 3 makes me feel like I'm on the wrong journey here. There's no rtime.dll anywhere.

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9811/85815231.jpg

Now, I can Hotsync, and it says if it worked or I get an error of some kind. If it did work though it doesn't show the icon, so I click out of Garnet VM and restart and I see it installed. Well, then I click to launch it and I get errors and the launch icon disappears like with the "5 minute clinical diagnosis" bunason suggested.

Most of the time, like with trying to install Merck Medical Manual, it says that it installed correctly but I never see anything on screen.

What's most frustrating is all of this junk that I have yet to see work keeps piling on top of each other. I've tried removing them from the "Install Tool", even went as far as deleting them from my computer desktop, but every time I Hotsync now, I get this world of crud, that never works, constantly downloading on the tablet and oh dear lord I am too stupid to live!

I even went so far as to delete Palm Desktop and Garnet VM, reinstalled, only to face the horror that it somehow remembered me and still wants to keep trying to install that excessive crud that I can't shake off.

I'm honestly beginning to think that this is too far beyond me to ever understand.

Anyway, thanks again for the post dfinch, it proved worthless! *lol*

Cheers!

dfinch 2009-03-11 10:33
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Addison, off to work right now, I'll digest later and see if i can spot the problems.
Cheers!


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