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craves1 2008-10-02 03:48

Re: 32GB SD adapter For N810
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Benson (Post 229558)
Hmmm... Not to be a back-seat designer, but did you consider using a push-in/push-out SD socket? I'm not real sure on the mechanical dimensions, but it looks like you might have had just enough room for one, with a slot in the casing, to allow changing cards without removing the battery cover.

I'm still not sure that would be a good choice for other reasons, though; maybe too easy to pop a mounted card out.

This is a push in push out SD holder, it comes either way. I decided I wanted the cover completly covering the card to keep dirt out of the tablet. Most ejecting type holders have a cutout around the card or a flip door. This would make it too expensive.

Also from the way I use my N800 with the 32GB card inside I realized I hardly ever remove it. I only remove it when I need to load a very large amount of data on it. Most of the time the USB connection are fast enough. With a 32GB card in this adapter it will be the same for most people who purchase it.


Thanks

craves1 2008-10-02 03:50

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Originally Posted by dfinch (Post 229568)
Does the single screw replace the one that's there or go over it? The screw that's there is a tiny torx I think.

The screw replaces the on that is there. This kit comes with the screw drivers to do this.

Thanks

Rohan 2008-10-02 03:55

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When will purchasing details be available?

and well done!

dfinch 2008-10-02 03:58

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What would you recommend?

I have been thinking of the battery upgrade but I want minimum bulk. I could get the SD slot w/o cover and the HC battery with cover or wait for your full kit. Have you thought of price difference yet?
Hhow much bulk does your cover add?

craves1 2008-10-02 04:01

Re: 32GB SD adapter For N810
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rohan (Post 229574)
When will purchasing details be available?

and well done!

Next Week and thanks

craves1 2008-10-02 04:09

Re: 32GB SD adapter For N810
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dfinch (Post 229575)
What would you recommend?

I have been thinking of the battery upgrade but I want minimum bulk. I could get the SD slot w/o cover and the HC battery with cover or wait for your full kit. Have you thought of price difference yet?
Hhow much bulk does your cover add?

I have not settled on the price difference yet but the cover will have several additional features that can be added to it.

The Mugen cover is 7mm thick. My cover should be 4.5mm thick
I does not seem like a lot but it has taken me some time to get use to the battey's extra weight. the bulk is not so much of a problem since it make it easier for me to hold the tablet now. Before I always though it would slip out of my hands. I am sure this will be different from person to person.

I am keeping it as thin as possible.

Thanks

fanoush 2008-10-02 07:53

Re: 32GB SD adapter For N810
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by craves1 (Post 229580)
Also from the way I use my N800 with the 32GB card inside I realized I hardly ever remove it.
...
I am keeping it as thin as possible.

Did you consider also just version with spring loaded contacts or solder pads or something similar without full sd socket to make it thinner? I'd like to use original cover and I am willing to remove the plastic from the card, solder the pads or make dent in N810 gray plastic under cover to make it fit. Basically I am asking for barebone version without PCB and full SD socket. Just the minsd thing with flat cable and maybe correctly spaced solder pads or springs.

TA-t3 2008-10-02 16:07

Re: 32GB SD adapter For N810
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Benson (Post 229558)
Hmmm... Not to be a back-seat designer, but did you consider using a push-in/push-out SD socket?

push-in/push-out slots are really nice, but I believe they are unsafe to use unless you use synchronized (and slow) writing like e.g. Palm. For the N8x0 the operating system needs to know that you intend to remove the card before you actually do it, with enough time to do an 'unmount' on the card before you physically remove it. The 'unmount' includes flushing unwritten data to the card and waiting for it to settle.

With the current N8x0 design (SD slot cover, or magnetic detection) the operating system gets advance notice and can unmount the card before you remove it. (And you shouldn't be too quick.. particularly with the large size cards. Give it a few seconds after you uncover before you actually remove it.)

craves1 2008-10-02 16:22

Re: 32GB SD adapter For N810
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fanoush (Post 229619)
Did you consider also just version with spring loaded contacts or solder pads or something similar without full sd socket to make it thinner? I'd like to use original cover and I am willing to remove the plastic from the card, solder the pads or make dent in N810 gray plastic under cover to make it fit. Basically I am asking for barebone version without PCB and full SD socket. Just the minsd thing with flat cable and maybe correctly spaced solder pads or springs.

This would be easy since you are willing to cut the N810 plastic and take the SD card out of the case. This is more of a hacker’s version and can be done. I would make such a version if at least 20 people wanted it at about $25.00 each. This is what the circuit boards would cost with shipping. I already have a design in my mind. It would need a PCB but you would have to solder the card in.


Let me know it would make a good hackers project.


Also as long as you are here,
1. Can you or anyone tell me where I can get a schematic of the N810?
2. Do you are anyone know if the N810 supports SPIO Mode or is there a way to communicate trough the SD port other than to flash cards?

3. Can the Data ports of the SD slot be addressed separately and are there any programs to do this?

4. Are there drivers for the FTDI Serial chips that are easy to install?



Thanks

craves1 2008-10-02 16:31

Re: 32GB SD adapter For N810
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TA-t3 (Post 229727)
push-in/push-out slots are really nice, but I believe they are unsafe to use unless you use synchronized (and slow) writing like e.g. Palm. For the N8x0 the operating system needs to know that you intend to remove the card before you actually do it,
(And you shouldn't be too quick.. particularly with the large size cards. Give it a few seconds after you uncover before you actually remove it.)

You always have to open the current mini SD door defore you remove the card. You just have to open the door, not eject the adapter. Then you can change the card from the full size adapter. This makes it as safe as the original mini sd card being removed without the adapter.

Thanks

fanoush 2008-10-02 19:38

Re: 32GB SD adapter For N810
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by craves1 (Post 229738)
I would make such a version if at least 20 people wanted it at about $25.00 each. This is what the circuit boards would cost with shipping. I already have a design in my mind. It would need a PCB but you would have to solder the card in.

Well sadly I'm just one and it looks like the price of making such stuff in small quantities is a bit high. I expected something like $15 but obviously I was dreaming. I wonder what is the final price including full SD socket and back door then. Never mind.
Quote:

Originally Posted by craves1 (Post 229738)
1. Can you or anyone tell me where I can get a schematic of the N810?

I don't know any public download link. 770 and N800 schematic can be googled quite easily. I wonder how can (hypothetically of course) such file appear on similar servers without revealing identity of uploader? Would be nice to have N810 there too.
Quote:

Originally Posted by craves1 (Post 229738)
2. Do you are anyone know if the N810 supports SPIO Mode or is there a way to communicate trough the SD port other than to flash cards?

SDIO is possible in theory but there is no support for it in 2.6.21 kernel. It was added later after MMC stack was completely restructured.
Quote:

Originally Posted by craves1 (Post 229738)
3. Can the Data ports of the SD slot be addressed separately

I'm not sure. It can talk in SD or MMC or SPI protocol. If it is not enough maybe those OMAP pins can be reconfigured as GPIOs but maybe serial port pins are better for this.
Quote:

Originally Posted by craves1 (Post 229738)
and are there any programs to do this?

you need to write kernel driver and talk to it from userspace
Quote:

Originally Posted by craves1 (Post 229738)
4. Are there drivers for the FTDI Serial chips that are easy to install?

Yes, you just need to insert existing kernel module, search this forum for FTDI.

TA-t3 2008-10-03 08:19

Re: 32GB SD adapter For N810
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by craves1 (Post 229740)
You always have to open the current mini SD door defore you remove the card. You just have to open the door, not eject the adapter. Then you can change the card from the full size adapter. This makes it as safe as the original mini sd card being removed without the adapter.

Indeed - a push-in/push-out slot, or any other 'fast' slot, would be just fine as long as it's behind the cover (which has a detector).

craves1 2008-10-05 18:25

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Can anyone help me with this? it is off subject but is taking up too much of my time.


I can not get the album cover art to show in canola2 2.0.0~beta9-maemo2 OS = Diablo no matter what I try.

I installed canola cleanup but no menu to run it anywhere even though it is in the installed applications screen. Do I need to run it in Xterm?

When I am able to get the large art to show only a few small album art covers will show. I ran the cover-art plugin and no change.



Now most of the large album art is missing with only about 20 out of 300 pieces of the small art is showing.

I am not installing from the maemo extras devel repo
I am installing from the maemo extras /diablo repo.

The strange thing is on my N800 with diablo installed everything is OK but the same install on my N810 is the problem.

Can anyone tell me exactly how to completely uninstall canola2 on diablo either with canola cleanup (no menu to select it anywhere) or by some other method do I can try to install fresh?


How do you run Canola cleanup in Diablo since it do not show up in any of the menus after it is installed?

Thanks

munky261 2008-10-06 12:35

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hope this helps....pm me with any questions.

craves1 2008-10-06 16:02

Re: 32GB SD adapter For N810
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by munky261 (Post 230956)
hope this helps....pm me with any questions.

Thanks munky261
I use this method to copy the same folder files from my N800 which shows them OK to my N810.

Same results.

I am using canola and other media player to test the speed of different memory cards in the Full size SD adapter.
I need to have all the folders art and as many albums a possible to see the response form different cards.
All other programs show the album art except Canola2.

child 2008-10-07 09:08

Re: 32GB SD adapter For N810
 
Going back to the subject :) Does the cover fit tightly? Mine (original one) is a little loose.

craves1 2008-10-07 14:07

Re: 32GB SD adapter For N810
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by child (Post 231260)
Going back to the subject :) Does the cover fit tightly? Mine (original one) is a little loose.

The cover is the only part I am still waiting for and it is scheduled to be delivered on or before the 10th.
The main thing for me is to make sure the cover is of the best quality which means it must fit properly. I have used the adapter for several weeks now with the plastic cover from the MUGEN battery. The main problem is the movement and the fit. My product will not be like this.

Thanks

spock 2008-10-09 02:40

Re: 32GB SD adapter For N810
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by craves1 (Post 229738)
This would be easy since you are willing to cut the N810 plastic and take the SD card out of the case. This is more of a hacker’s version and can be done. I would make such a version if at least 20 people wanted it at about $25.00 each. This is what the circuit boards would cost with shipping. I already have a design in my mind. It would need a PCB but you would have to solder the card in.


Let me know it would make a good hackers project.

Count me in as interested in a hackers version that could use the OEM cover. My usage of the tablet prohibits it from getting absolutely any thicker.

Benson 2008-10-09 02:43

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I think I'd go for one of the hacker's version, although I don't have an N810 ATM. I've got a couple of other ideas for it...

craves1 2008-10-09 12:39

Re: 32GB SD adapter For N810
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Benson (Post 231948)
I think I'd go for one of the hacker's version, although I don't have an N810 ATM. I've got a couple of other ideas for it...

Just a few more and I will make the hackers versions also. This one would be about 1.5mm thick with the SD card removed from the case. I will aslo make one that is about 2.85mm thich that do not need the card to be soldered on the PCB or removed from the case.


** Just to keep things clear. This post is about a special requested hackers version of the card for people who want to cut the N810 plastic case or use it for other things. The Full size SD adapter in the Thread does not require soldering or hacking of any kind.

I have tested it in many products tha use the Mini SD and so far it works in all of them as long as the suppoer SDHC format cards.


Thanks

chrisdadd 2008-10-13 19:56

Re: 32GB SD adapter For N810
 
This is great news. My 32GB SDHC card arrived last week and I'm primarily using it as a WIN XP boot disk for my corp laptop. As a result. it will be have at least two partitions, probably as FAT32. I'm hoping a partitioned SD will still work in Maemo. Please put me down for one of your adaptors. Anyone tried Canola2 with big media libraries?

I mostly use my WD 320GB USB passport drive with my tablet (in host mode) and it happens to be the same size as the n810. When the guys who made Canola have finished their Carman software I aim to install the lot in my XKR..."Kit, come pick me up?"

craves1 2008-10-14 15:29

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The samples of the unfinished cover is on it's way to me and that will be the last part of this project.

Here are some photos so people can see the quality I am going for.
Attachment 2595

These are unfinished but I am mostly considering anodized black to start. This would match the N810 normal and the WiMax versions best.
I will also be offering other colors including on near the finish of the current N810 cover and a high gloss black. Other colors will be made once I have a poll of what people would like to see.
Attachment 2596
I have finished all my testing and I am now satisfied that it works exactly as it should. The only thing I have found it the write protect is not supported in the N810 but this is not a real problem to me.
Attachment 2597

The kit includes 2 screws drivers, a replacement screw, the Adapter and one metal door. The kit will sell for $48.00 plus shipping. The first kit without the cover goes on sale on October 26th
This complete Kit should be ready around that same date depending on how fast I can get the anodized cover ready for shipping.

For those who wanted the hackers version it will be available in a few weeks also without the cover.


My Next project is a tilt sensor and a 16GB - 32GB built in Flash Drive.

Thanks for all the support

doctorbri 2008-10-14 16:12

Re: 32GB SD adapter For N810
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by craves1 (Post 233478)
My Next project is a tilt sensor and a 16GB - 32GB built in Flash Drive.

Looking forward to this. This will leave the minisd slot free, I assume?

craves1 2008-10-14 16:43

Re: 32GB SD adapter For N810
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by doctorbri (Post 233497)
Looking forward to this. This will leave the minisd slot free, I assume?

Yes this will not connect to the MINI SD slot at all but the cover will be needed.

Thanks

Un27Pee 2008-10-14 18:14

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Hi Craves1
at this point can you write a little tuto what will be included in the park , installation procedure, what card type you have tested and working well, overall what software will be need if it does need one, that will be nice for newbies who are intreasted really am waiting to purchase one.

deluxe 2008-10-14 18:38

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Deja vu, all over again.....
http://www.gearfuse.com/sd-to-mini-s...her-way-round/

Viqsi 2008-10-14 18:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by craves1 (Post 233478)
My Next project is a tilt sensor and a 16GB - 32GB built in Flash Drive.

Would this be able to be installed along with your SD kit here, or would it have to be separate?


Personally, I've been considering trying to hack together some sort of small-size internal USB hub off of those pins on the inside so that I could add:
1) a tilt sensor USB device such as the TiltStick (http://www.harbaum.org/till/tiltstick/index.shtml),
2) another card reader (preferably one of those really tiny microSD ones), and
3) a new external USB port since such a mad scheme would effectively disable the existing external one. ;)

However, this would require far more time than I actually have available at the moment. :(

qole 2008-10-14 18:57

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Originally Posted by Viqsi (Post 233538)
... so that I could add:
1) a tilt sensor USB device such as the TiltStick (http://www.harbaum.org/till/tiltstick/index.shtml)

Oooh, shiny! I want one of those! Too bad all I can do is look at the pictures.

Benson 2008-10-14 18:57

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Originally Posted by deluxe (Post 233534)

Good catch!

Alas, I don't live in Japan, and they don't seem to be available anywhere else...

craves1 2008-10-14 20:05

Re: 32GB SD adapter For N810
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Un27Pee (Post 233523)
Hi Craves1
at this point can you write a little tuto what will be included in the park , installation procedure, what card type you have tested and working well, overall what software will be need if it does need one, that will be nice for newbies who are intreasted really am waiting to purchase one.

I should have some time next week to do this. It is all I can do right now to complete this and get it out.

No software is needed, as far as the tablet is concerned it is just a mini SD card with a larger memory capacity

Thanks

craves1 2008-10-14 20:11

Re: 32GB SD adapter For N810
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by deluxe (Post 233534)

This is great but it will not work with the N810. It also does not have a custom cover. I have also seen recently other companies that make similar things for the PSP.

I have also made similar thing for cell phones and other PDAs.

Looks well made though

Thanks

gerbick 2008-10-21 01:54

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Any updates?

scanman717 2008-10-21 02:31

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Craves. Will your cover allow the Mugen Battery as well??

craves1 2008-10-21 14:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by scanman717 (Post 235240)
Craves. Will your cover allow the Mugen Battery as well??

The Mugen battery cover is 7.46mm and my cover is 4.93mm. The difference is not that much but it will not allow the Mugen battery to be used with it.

The smaller size also make a big difference in the way it look and feel on the tablet.

If enough users of the Mugen battery ask for one I will make a larger version just for that battery. The battery cover is the most expensive part to make.

For people with the Mugen battery cover that want to purchase the SD card adapter, and are willing to remove the 2 ribs inside the cove. The adapter will be available for purchase later today or tomorrow. I just have to set up the purchase page. I also have to make a installation guide but it is simple to install.

Before you purchase it make sure you email me first at cgraves256@optonline.net so I can make sure I can ship to your country.

There are a few more adjustments needed to the metal cover for it to fit the way I want it to fit. I have photos of the finished cover that I will also post later today.

It will be available in stainless steel, Black brushed anodized, and a color as close as I can get to the original cover.

Thanks

xtothea420 2008-10-21 15:22

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very nice, i like, how much

craves1 2008-10-21 20:17

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These are photos of the N810 with the first samples of the metal cover installed. These are some of the colors I am going to make available.

Stainless Steel finish to match top keys.
Attachment 2621
Stainless Steel back view. This is the one I will use for myself.
Attachment 2622

This is a matalic brown
Attachment 2619
Brown front view
Attachment 2623

This is a high gloss black
Attachment 2618

There will most likely be a brushed anodized black instead of this high gloss finish.
The other color will be a color close to the Nokia factory finish.

I am open to all comments so please feel free to speak up.

Thanks

chrisdadd 2008-10-21 22:00

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I like the stainless steel one. Could you post photos of what's under the cover and where the 32gb SD sits? Since the cover protrudes a lot more than the previous one, does this mean there's space for a high capacity battery? or more than one SD?
I live in the UK by the way, so please let me know total cost for delivery.

gerbick 2008-10-22 00:52

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yep. I will take one in the same color as the Nokia supplied one.

sjgadsby 2008-10-22 12:52

Re: 32GB SD adapter For N810
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisdadd (Post 235487)
Could you post photos of what's under the cover and where the 32gb SD sits?

craves1 already did exactly that in this very thread.

Quote:

Since the cover protrudes a lot more than the previous one, does this mean there's space for a high capacity battery?
craves1 answered that just a few posts back in this thread.

jbk 2008-10-23 13:16

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Add me to the list for a hackers version.


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