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Ah yes, some vertical integration required...

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Here's the horizontal version with a little red lovin'.

Tim

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Here's a vertical version (white/orange on back).

Tim

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I like this last one *a lot*...

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Ack-- do not want! :p

I still prefer your previous design, only I continue to think "Amsterdam" and "Maemo" need to be larger.

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Another version with Amsterdam and m.o swapped.

Tim

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Hmmm... is sleeve printing an option?

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Anything's an option for the right price. ;)

Actually, I'm not a fan of sleeve printing -- reminds me of golf shirts. But, if someone else wants to design one and find a printer, etc., I'd support it.

Tim

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golf shirts?

Man, sometimes I really miss the 80s.

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Here's another vertical idea (3-color). Not sure if I like it, but I thought I'd upload it anyway. I like the idea of it. ;)

Tim

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You know, we could really explore the "rock tour" motif a little further. The typical souvenir shirt has the band and a list of dates/cities... well, we have one date/city so perhaps it's the event/venue (your previous vertical X theme that I liked) followed by a list of key participants below (where the rock tour shirt would have the dates/cities).

And of course Maemo logo over shirt pocket area. :D

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How about a sticker idea? :)

Tim

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Yeah, I already mentioned something like this, but I really think that a complete list of participants would come way too late to get the printing done. I like the idea, though!

Tim

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I knew I'd seen that somewhere. :p

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Ok, folks, this one is my favorite:

http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php...1&d=1250782149

The logo was conceived by more than just me (thanks, wazd) and the red signifies a special event. (Yes, orange fits better with maemo.org in general, but red makes it different: event-specific). The above image would be printed on the back. The front would be the white/red maemo.org logo over the left breast pocket.

If there are no major (and thought-provoking) objections, this is it.

Tim

P.S. We also need to consider sticker designs, unless (Quim, help me out here), we just want to do the same thing that was done last year.

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Let's fill the basics first.

You say the front has maemo.org logo in the pocket, which assumes we have shirts with pocket. Or would that work without pocket as well? Just thinking. We need to decide the exact shirt we wish, including women option.

And we need to extract the current sizes requested by the registered participants! Who can extract that? Background transparent or white? Last year we had transparent but I feel they could be more intense colorful with classic white vinyl?

Stickers. let's have plenty of small & medium maemo.org stickers for Maemo devices and laptops.

You (anybody) have until the end of this week for proposing something else with real designs.

PS: great choice for the back, me likes!

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I meant in the "pocket position," not that there would actually be a pocket. Thanks for asking for clarification.

I was thinking that if we get one shirt style, but in xs, s, m, l, xl, and xxl, we would just about cover everyone (no pun intended), including women.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by transparent vs. white vinyl. Can you explain?

I'm also not sure how we can extract the size data, but I'll ask X-Fade and Jaffa about it.

Tim

P.S. One alteration to the design above... I'm going to change the m.o logo on the back to red with a white "e" -- I think it will fit the overall Amsterdam color scheme better -- but leave it white with a red "e" on the front.

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Very nice! Reminds me of my "GRD - Présipauté de Groland" bumper sticker.

A bit bigger than I'd like personally, though.

Dave.

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Hi,

It's not possible to aggregate & generate an estimate based on last year's demand? Conference t-shirts are almost always too big in the average (not enough S & M). I've learned to use proportions roughly like this:

• 5% women, split roughly equally among S, M & L (for 300 t-shirts, 5xS, 5xM, 5xL)
• 10% S (~30)
• 20% M (~60)
• 30% L (~90)
• 25% XL (~75)
• 10% XXL (~30)

If we think we'll have more women than this, or demand for one size disproportionate from these for some reason, you can always tweak.

I definitely prefer t-shirt decals with transparent background like last year. They last longer, and are nicer to wear in general, than t-shirts with a big vinyl patch.

Tim, could we have an example on a light t-shirt too, please? Given the choice, I would prefer a white/cream/off-white colour t-shirt to a black one. Of course, black will do if there's no choice :)

Cheers,
Dave.

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But then what's the point asking people for preferred sizes in the registration?

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I'm interested in seeing how close preferred sizes are to my estimates :)

Do you think some people might leave that field empty? Are we expecting a lot of people who haven't registered? How about people registering & not turning up? There are lots of reasons why both figures (a pure estimate & something based on registration data) might be inaccurate.

Dave.

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The current count follows...

Female = 16
* XS = 3
* S = 5
* M = 7
* L = 1

Male = 246
* XS = 4
* S = 12
* M = 56
* L = 92
* XL = 59
* XXL = 20
* XXXL = 3

Sorry, I'm not going to work out the percentages. :p

This makes me more inclined to think that we should just get unisex t-shirts. What do you think?

Tim

Re: Maemo Summit 2009 merchandise and design...
 

I think you should get mostly male shirts and a couple dozen female shirts. As much as I would like lots of women to attend the Summits, it is clear that they don't.

Unless, by "unisex" you mean male shirts that aren't too "male" (and can be worn by females -- as nightshirts probably)? Not sure what unisex means in this context...

Re: Maemo Summit 2009 merchandise and design...
 

Unisex shirts are regular t-shirts that have no "form" that would specify gender-specificity. Like what you'd get at a rock concert:

http://is.gd/35gkQ

Basically, you shift the sizes down by 1 increment (Medium for a man would be Large for a woman, etc.). This is pretty common and girls looks just fine in unisex shirts.

Tim

P.S. I wish more girls would attend the Summit as well.

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The only things I would do different:

-increase the size of the letters in "AMSTERDAM", probably 1.5 times current size (or so)

-keep the maemo logo in original colors but go ahead and have Amsterdam in red

Re: Maemo Summit 2009 merchandise and design...
 

Yes, Texrat, I know you'd like everything bigger... Is it just a Texas thing? :p

I don't know what you mean by, "keep the maemo logo in original colors," unless you mean orange. Well, that's a fine thought (aside from the clashing color scheme), but it has got to be white and red (I'm being a dictator here). The main reason is so that it matches. The more main (ahem) reason is because I'm keeping at two two-colors for budget reasons.

I'll post the final "look" today or tomorrow.

Tim

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Dave, what's too big? The text or image? It's the standard size of a Euro bumper sticker (although it may not have been translated to this forum that way).

Anyway, I'm going to change it up a bit. I will post it today or tomorrow.

By the way, I still haven't gotten a response from the Dutch sticker printing company I was attempting to contact. Anyone have a suggestion?

Tim

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Same here.

At this point, I'm sticking with black. Most people wanted it (over orange or white), and I don't really have the time to keep investigating. Sorry.

Tim

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Some shirt printers are actually directly embedding ink into the fabric (Cafepress now does this, for example) and the result is MUCH better than decals-- almost as good as traditional screen printing.

Just remember to always turn your tee shirts inside-out before washing and they'll last longer.

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You haven't seen the happiness of women attending tech conferences when they find out someone had thought specifically about them.

Would you approve an option making men look 'just fine' if you had an easy alternative for making men 'look good'?

I had been pushing systematically for women shirts, with clearly positive results http://headrush.typepad.com/creating...shirts_ar.html

Have no doubt. :)

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Let me know if I can help out with the design at all.

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The standard bumper sticker size is too big for my laptop, but perfect for my bumper :)

But don't let that stop you. I like it.

Cheers,
Dave.

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• Women: ~6% - normal distribution with mean somewhere between S and M
• Men: Normal distribution, mean almost exactly on L, leaning slightly to the large side.
  • XS: ~1.5%
  • S: ~5%
  • M: ~20%
  • L: ~35%
  • XL: ~22.5%
  • XXL: ~7.5%
  • XXXL: ~1%

Compared to my estimates, I underestimated XS demand and XXXL demand, and slightly underestimated L demand, otherwise I was almost right on the button. Yay me.

Dave.

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The shirt design is pretty much finished -- we just don't have the time to do anything more.

As for stickers. Be my guest. You have until tomorrow. ;)

Seriously. This was a call to submit ideas (over a month ago). If you have any let's see them. I'm not going to ask any more.

Tim

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It's not that I don't want to include women's shirts. :p I was thinking of the budget.

But, now that I know more, I will include them in the order.

Tim

Re: Maemo Summit 2009 merchandise and design...
 

Ah, right... Yes, we were planning on doing several sizes (probably different formats as well). I will submit more ideas today.

Tim

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Tim, you're doing great work and it's certainly appreciated. ;)

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are there any limitations on sticker color range, form or size?

Concept:
http://s14.radikal.ru/i187/0909/f6/224c735dcd7a.jpg
Can be t.m.o. users instead of apps :P

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Still hoping for my t-shirt.

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Not really sure yet, as I haven't been able to get ahold of any sticker printers who will reply to my inquiries.

I like this idea, though... Let's do it! :)

Tim

P.S. I'd rather leave it as apps and not t.m.o users, but that's just one opinion.