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Actually Step 5. =P

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Its painfully obvious that Symbian cannot compete in 2009, especially after that POS N97. I see Maemo as their last chance before Nokia meet the same fate Palm did with the Palm OS (competitors eating their lunch. Eg Manufacturers going with Android, iphone, Pre)

Maemo success will be measured by it sales, not by the number of fanboys jerking off.

Anyway, now that I only paid $408 + tax (from the Dell sale, Bing CB + 2% creditcard CB) and not $650 + tax, I'm willing to overlook the flaws of thickness and possible battery life. Those who pay $650 have every right to nitpick.

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No they don't see we have this thing called free will. Unless someone is standing behind you with a gun forcing you to purchase the device, you make the decision all by yourself, like a big boy. You choose to take the risk it might not be the device you are looking for and you choose to pay for the device, be it $650 or $6.50. That's called being an adult, you get to wear the big boy pants and occasionally you crap in them.

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No, actually step 4.

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yep step 4 of 5.

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Regarding the first point: majority of radiation on most phones transmits away from the face of the phone. Putting a wired earpiece in your ear is actually the same as sticking an aerial directly into your ear (bypassing a large portion of the skull that might shield a bit) so the point of safety is debatable.

How many people end up with a sore ear though when they catch the cord on something?

Finally, if you leave a cell phone on and stand in a contained space with no coverage (elevator or metro) then the phone effectively turns the place into a microwave hunting for a cell mast: bit academic then.

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That's it: N900 is the male version of the wonderbra!

Now, how long before Twitter starts up about that? lol

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Well as long as we are being pedantic and all..how many people do you see using wired headphones/headsets these days for voice communication? Maybe it's different where you live, but I can't even remember the last time I did. Bluetooth ftw: eliminates both the "caught wire" and the "aerial in your ear canal issues".

"But wait!" you might say "bluetooth still emits radiation!" Yes, it does..but it is orders of magnitude less than the cell radio (power efficiency is one of it's main reasons for existence, after all) and is not much higher than the environmental background levels you would experience in a conference room where everyone has a crackberry in their hand (a typical bluetooth headset SAR is on the order of 0.001 watts/kg at the ear vs 1.19 watts/kg for the iphone 3G when held to the ear).

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As we are talk pedant issues: the original post mentioned wired in the first point and moved onto bluetooth later. As for the number of people: on trains into and around London there are huge numbers, mainly those with music on their phones. This tends to include large numbers of iPhone users so some here might argue that proves the point about dumb though!

The whole issue is really daft though as there is so much electromagnetic radiation in european cities at least that a passive radar system has been proven to work feeding off it. Anyone that seriously thinks sticking their phoone in a jacket is going to save them seriously needs a dose of cynasism. Admittedly it might lower the chance of localised issues.

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I agree about the point that putting a phone in a jacket probably doesn't help.

But the first point, I don't think is right. My understanding is that the electromagnetic radition is most powerful (and harmful) within a very small space near it's source. In the case of a cell phone, this is a sphere about six inches in radius. So the eletromagnetic radition emitted from other further away sources (and beaming all over us from space for that matter) is not of the same nature, nor bears with it the same safety concerns.

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If you were taking just your own phone into account then yes it would. However, consider a crowded metro, such as the London tube system. studies conducted a couple of years ago showed an horrific level of cellular radiiation compared to on the streets. Cell phones ramping up to full power seeking a mast combined with the hemispherical metal ceilings for coaches had a wonderful effect of concentrating the emitted power to the middle of the carriage.
If you were referring to the passive radar though that is well documented in various papers.

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Desperately trying to get back on topic...

Maybe the thickness is for secondary use? Paper-weight or door jam?

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Can you provide a link to those studies?

From my understanding that wouldn't produce the kind of radiation that's supposed to pose risks. And I'm wary of a lot of the information out there. Most of what you find on the internet is on real tinfoil hat wearing websites. Either that, or people trying to sell you some sort of protection device that is actually just crap or in some cases actually augments the bodies absorption of electromagnetic radiation.

I'm not trying to minimize the risk. I believe there may be real health risks to cell phone radiation. But there is a huge amount of mis-information out there. And many of the studies are carried out by news organizations or well meaning people, who don't really know what they're doing and get bogus results. The actually well conducted studies are few and far between and just starting to really get done.

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Do you and the other immortals rib Jesus about being a zombie? Also, what does Jesus think about Left 4 Dead 2?

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Interesting that Nokia still has the largest share of the smartphone market, easily outstripping even Rim, their nearest competitor, and their chosen smartphone OS is symbian.

I don't think symbian is dead yet by any stretch of the imagination. Nokia's plan is to move symbian down a notch and target it at the slightly less technical/cash-splashing market. People who have never been able to afford a smartphone will jump at it arriving within their price range.

Meanwhile, there's reason to suspect that n900, far from being a failure because 'Average Joe' finds it too think/heavy/complex/whatever, has rather surprised Nokia with its success. And that before it's even shipped.

Will there be people who reject it on grounds of weight of size? Sure there will. People choose their device for a whole bundle of reasons. But there appear to be more than enough who're not put off to ensure that the Final Step is still on track.

And God and All Angels help this place when that release gets delayed. :p

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the proto was very sleek. much more smaller than what it appears when reading this thread...

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Here's a (p)review from one of the lucky 300 who got units. Guess he's a iphone lover or not worthy enough to own an n900 since he brought up the battery and thickness/weight as disadvanages..

Disadvantages
--- Poor keyboard layout
--- No user call application
--- Weak battery
-- No tilt function
- Relatively heavy and thick
- Misty haze in flash photos

http://www.mobilecowboys.nl/toestellen/10892
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http://translate.google.com/translat...istory_state0=

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I won't go into bulkiness, that's a subjective matter. Battery life is bad because a) not all apps are (yet) properly power-optimized and b) it's like a sportscar - it wants to be driven fast and at that point no battery is enough, 1320 vs 1500 would make no serious difference.

a) learn to keep your fingers out of the flash
b) paint the nice blue edge of the slider matte black

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Interesting review. Also interesting that in his review of the Droid he fails to mention ANY of the things pretty much every reviewer has talked about.

Bad Camera.
Bad Battery Life
Flex within the keyboard etc

Once again you have trolled the net to find the one review in (lets say) 30 that has a bad view point - seriously WHY are you buying this phone. ARE you even buying this phone. You are beyond a nay saying whiner, one suspects you may even work for another company the amount of FUD you have been spreading around here.

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Don't shoot the messenger. I'm sorry that you're going to spend your entire monthly salary on this phone and it may not turn out to be best phone on earth for the next 3 years and have ZERO flaws.

I am buying this phone but I'm not fanatic enough not to recognize its flaws which I want Nokia to resolve in the next version (Which I will gladly buy even if its only 6 months from now)

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Lol - entire months salary. Please.

If the phone doesnt turn out to be the greatest thing in the world (which I am not expecting it to be) I will say "Oh well you take a chance, didnt work out"

My point is you go out of your way to SEE the flaws finding reviews that say what you want them to hear. If you want to piss your money away - send it to me. I will be happy to drink it in the form of cold frosty beverages. If you are idiot enough to buy a phone you obviously do not consider to be a good match for you with "flaws" then ... well then you are IDIOT enough to buy a phone yadda yadda yadda you get where this is going.

You could of course NOT buy the phone. Then you would have your money and still be able to maintain a holier than though attitude of "I told ya so" if the n900 turns out to be a lemon. Think of how much fun that would be for your sad little ego.

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Like I pointed out before, thickness and weight are relative for an individual. I use to carry the original Nintendo DS in my pocket all the time, and it never bothered me.

For that matter I also use to carry my Canon A620 in my pocket (it makes your pockets bulge oddly due to the camera's body).

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Yeah, pretty much. I've had a Sony Ericsson P990 since 2007 and it's 26mm (7mm thicker than the n900), and it doesn't bother me. Before that, I had a P900, and that, too was 24mm thick. A high feature smartphone being 18-19mm thick is an absolute non-issue to me

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I couldnt agree more, I am on a G1 right now and i think it would fit better in my big paws if it was a little thicker.
Not worried at all about how thick it is considering I think they measured the thick part to be where the great camera lens is.