Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

*blop*

good luck finding those promises...

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

Want less, live more.

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

I will try to keep that in mind.

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What Nokia will learn from this experience is that they won't communicate any dates in the future. I actually hope this happens, so that those clueless people will shut the hell up about those imaginary "promises". Better keep the community in the dark and release when it's ready than experience turning their communicated possible dates into clueless moanfests.

This is a side effect of attempting more transparency, which I think you are not appreciating, it's not working out very well. Look at what Apple is doing, not only do they develop their products in total secret (and I mean total secret, I saw N900 prototypes way before it was released to the public), the software upgrades are also developed in secret (community tests of firmware upgrades for the iPhone? Are you kidding me?), so are the release dates. No-one from the company officially says anything, so there is nothing to moan about by the ******s in the community, on the contrary, every release is mass hysteria, also conducted mostly by ******s, by the way.

I don't know about you, but I'd rather have some idea about possible future releases than experience what Apple is doing. So be happy with what you have. That "promises" garbage needs to go.

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

Well said!




As for me, I don't go nuts over firmware upgrades as they can bring on new probs to what once worked fine, no I would love to just use my uSIM in the N900 as thats why I bought it.

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

+1 Tomas!

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Demand makes corporations to compete for the customers. It forces them to R&D for better devices/services.

Off course there is other things in life, but these two things are not exclusive for one another.

So, please, remember to demand! That way we can keep the progress up and running.

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

Tomaszd, but they all can turn on their phones, they are subject matter experts! Surely they must have an inkling of what their talking about?
But seriously well said my friend.

I really hope Nokia is not discouraged by the village idiots, and continues to work wonders on the Maemo platform.

2d

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I really don't understand why is it so hard to come to this forum and say "sorry, we won't make it in time, it will be ready next week or the week after..."

If i worked at Nokia at PR, i would chat with you guys the whole damn day...And don't try to excuse Nokia by mentioning NDA...i've signed several in my life to know what you can mention and what you can't... jeez

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

Oh dear Christ!

Would you people PLEASE quit whining about this? Nokia will release a firmware update for the N900 on their terms. No amount of whining here will make them speed this up.


We know it's in the works.

We're the ones who bought the EARLY devices! Now you have the gall to complain that Nokia isn't hurrying up with this new firmware? Come on, people, some of you are acting like spoiled little school girl princesses!

/Rant

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

Well then. Imagine if Quim comes by and says "Sorry guys, I just got word from inside Nokia, the release will slip by two weeks".

This will never happen, because there is no initial release date to speak of in the first place.

I was in Amsterdam, I saw the "Portrait browsing for Xmas 2009" slide during the presentation, I heard Ari Jaaksi (vice president of Maemo Devices) talk about it with my own ears.

I have heard no promises or release dates though. It was just an early indication of what is on the road ahead of us.

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I haven't spend any money but if i had put 550€ to this device i would be very very loud. I think that people who have spent that much money are totally entitled to make their claims without being called little school girls. Its huge amount of money to quite many people :| And its really really understandable that after spending that much of money it´s quite natural to behave not so politely if you are not satisfied.

I do not encourage to behave badly nor i like it, but all I´m saying that ignore bad attitude text and concentrate on problem or try to give help or just ignore.

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

You are the first irrational, not self interested consumer on record. Are you out of your mind? Do you realize what you just said? Because of people like you this crap will continue. Shame on you.

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

Don't feed the troll.

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In other words Tomaszd admitting to have been emotional and irrational. Thanks, apology on behalf of the rest of self-interested N900 users accepted.

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You're good :)

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

Don't feed the troll.

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The way I see it is if Nokia stated there will be a firmware update available by the end of the year to download than I will hold them to it. Thats how it works, you give someone your word you come through, it's not about whining or trolling, its quite simple imo, if a large and well respected company releases a statement like that I will hold them to it, period.

If Nokia wants to go Apples route of secrecy thats fine also, but my point is if you say something follow through with it or you just keep quiet.

Now do I expect it to come end of year? No I actually don't cause this is the real world. My phone works pretty well as is but there are alot of bugs and so much room for improvement that I can totally respect why alot of us are so impatient and want a fw update asap!

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

as a former iphone developer 8 can say that the firmware is not developed in secret.

Every developer can download beta versions of the next release.
The don't tell you the exact date of release but at least you are in the loop.

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Commenting on speculation is a no-win. Starting to deny certain speculations would only lead to the cycle where everything can be speculated aloud, and those things that are not denied can be then deciphered to be true.

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

And your point is? Are you pro or con transparency?

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

Has anyone dug up such a statement yet?

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[QUOTE=Texrat;445964]Has anyone dug up such a statement yet?[/QUOTE

Thats just going off what I read on this thread that someone wrote Nokia had stated they will have it out by end of year. I myself am not saying Nokia made such a statement but if they had made such a statement I don't see why as a consumer we wouldn't be able to hold them to it.

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

That question is a bit odd - I think there is no definite one-size-fits-all answer; then again "it depends" is also a boring answer. Transparency as such isn't good or bad. The question is about its application.

Let's say that I used to be a lot more idealistic and open towards transparency in the past. The more experience I have with it, of all the various real world implications it creates, the more questions and challenges it raises. this is not to say that those couldn't be solved in a positive manner, but it is to say that it isn't as easy as "just do it".

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

There's more one way to read that, and I don't know quite what the original Swedish says, but in my English "expected to be" does not mean the same as "will be". It means "we expect, but we don't have enough information to make a commitment yet".

Ergo, that is not a promise to release in December.

Still, with the 3 SIM fix available internally they can't be doing themselves many favours in the markets where people are contractually bound to their 3 contracts, or in my case, where I want to use them only because it gets me free calls to my most significant other people.

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i read too somewhere that a firmware was expected to be released before christmas but i didnt really expect it too.

funny how words can be played to mean what you want it to mean and what you not want them to mean.

most of what ive read came from people reviewing the phone who said there will be or expects a firmware update before christmas/new year. i would assume that nokia told them that but then again, you know what happens when you assume....

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

This is the closest many of you will see to a promise about a firmware update: http://thenokiablog.com/2009/12/25/n...e-update-pr11/

Note the source.

The only other verified mention of a firmware update was already relayed by Tomas in this thread, at least one thread that I was corrected on weeks ago, and tons of other threads. There was never a promise, just an note of expected release.

Yes, this is hard as beans to understand if you aren't in any kind of software development for a major corporation with some semblance of organizational efficiency... but expectations are just that, expectations. I'm currently on a project that was delayed 4+ weeks because of legal language on a user acceptance screen - things happen. Until the month is over, or a better statement is released, let it go.

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Man, no kidding!

At the very least I've learned you can add 1 week to every software migration deadline and be correct much more often than the original schedule... and that's just for internal stuff.

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Why is everyone calling it a "firmware". Is this the term Nokia is using? Just curious. Seems like a term more suited to BIOSes, controller chips, dumb phones, and SCSI adapters and HBA's.

N900 seems like we should be using more desktop terms like "Operating system, distro, build, reinstall." Seems like "reinstall the OS with the latest build" sounds more appropriate for the n900 than "reflash the firmware".

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I can't believe that someone from a customers perspective says something like that. I really hate non-communication, not only in the IT. Why do so many companies believe, just shutting everything down when a problem occurs and waiting until the dust has settled will make anyone happier? Especially why do customers want to be treated like this? I had no problem with it when Nokia would say sorry, we were to drunk after our x-mas party so the firmware update will be released in January. No problem with that. But if Nokia already knows that they can't make it this year, they still have the chance, than why the hell should the community still speculate wether it will be released this year? This is not really user-friendly.
Apart from that, the people that are ranting about the delay will rant whatever will be communicated, but the vast majority would probably appreciate any information given. Just doing nothing in fear of someone will be talking negative about it is no solution.

The criticism is not about Nokia being worse than their competitors, but about not using the chance of real openness, same as google with android by the way. And Nokia is contributing to a lot of open-source projects, so open communication, release early, release often and discussing even strategic dicissions in public should not be unknown to them. Would have been a great chance to bring such values to the smartphone market.

And I really hate it when such chances are wasted.

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So if I give you $10, I can make all kinds of claims?

if it is huge amount of money, should you consult professionals? if you consult those who know what they do, they will say that never buy a first iteration device, wait at least for the first patch. and if you buy it later, you probably will get the device with cheaper price, better software, in case of problems your device isn't the first one in the service so that process probably will go through faster, .....

It is not nokias or any other companys fault that people are stupid. people just tend to blame those for their own stupidity.

so yes, IMO sometimes you can call people school girls if they are being totally stupid. it really is a favour for them. padding to back and saying "there there" just courages stupid people to start btching again in the near future.


e: I paid 620€ and my device has been in service for 3 weeks now...

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Some people are just impossible, which would you prefer, Nokia "keep to their words" and release a firmware for the sake of releasing something. Or that the next firmware be properly tested to ensure that it irons our most of the issues and bugs reported on the N900?

many people screaming and jerking their kneels now for a firmware update are the same people who would be screaming ranting all over the place if nokia released a firmware with little bug fix or even worse with huge regression.

I am not a software developer but I do know that the process of fixing bugs and releasing firmware for an OS is not an easy one. lots of quality assurance need to take place, tons of debugging, research into patches and further research to ensure that this patches don't cause regressions. with software its always better to release when its ready rather than use a timeline schedule. We should also remember the season we are in, Developers are human too and need to spend sometimes off with their family, take a break from work.

How can I help out, how many of you complaining about Nokia have asked your self this question. Why not head out to http://bugs.maemo.org/ to file bugs or requests enhancement you want added to N900. ( you can also vote for bugs or enhancement you want the developers to fix) The N900 is not perfect by any means but its developement is open and allows for participation so you are free to report an issues you are having with it, send patch ( if you know how to) or help out debugging bugs and giving feed back to the devs. surely that is better, more productive and would ensure an earlier better FW release than ranting about how someone broke your heart.

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final thought:

crying will not make it appear faster.

just saying.

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You give me money for what? If you bought some program/service from me with that or any amount of money you would be after that entitled to make any claims. Off course you should first check what I have advertised and promised. Also comparing to other alike software and demanding those features is what the customers should do! But the product is not complete until all the bugs are smashed. Sometimes it's just weird how some people think that software should be treated someway different than real physical tools which you would return ASAP if they didn't work as expected.

Hah. Professionals? Like people here in forum? There is huge amount of people who even don't know how to write or login here.

Off course you would expect that local mobile shop seller is competent enough to profile you by your needs and find right solution just for you, but at least here in Finland I have quite rarely found sells person on mobile/electronic/it area who can give me answers to my questions. Now days whole area is self service and google yourself. Why not trust everything that product maker says? Because its know fact that they promise more than they can keep? That is just fact because people think and expect it. Customers should demand same kind of results that are advertised so sellers would be more careful with advertisements.

btw. There has been quite many iterations before N900 :(

You have quite weird attitude towards people. Actually i have seen this kind of attitude so many many times on computer/linux forums where people who have spend over half of their lives with "so easily learn" system crash with users who are starting to learn and have maybe too high expectations.

Calling stupid people (by your definition) stupid or school girls doesn't make you any better. Actually you downgrade yourself to same level. Sorry.

Thats on my scale shitload of money :|

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

bah, this thread reminds me of the whine-fest for the delays of the N900. Exactly the same thing, with exactly the same outcome.

From where does this sense of entitlement and lack of patience come from? I really can't understand...and I'm not an old fart preaching how good the old times were, in fact I'm rather young (in my (very) late twenties)...

Can't you lot just sit back, relax, and rejoice of what you already have at hand? Furthermore it's supposed to be a holiday season, so it's an additional reason to not get worked up on such silly matters (even though you may have spent a lot of money on the device, but it's very often like that when you are the first in the line!).

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People are angry for not receiving something which contents they do not know. Next déjà vu will be the firmware itself.

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

You are expressing my very feeling in this matter :) Thanks. Guys, take it easy. It was Christmas 6 days ago, chill out, enjoy it :D The update WILL come.

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

You really don't have a clue what this is about lol.

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I suppose all this Bull **** passes the time till the new firmware arrives!

If you're not the lead elephant the view is always the same.

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If you want something done, you need a deadline, not a time frame.

No communication is allso a form of communication, it simply a very bad form of communication.

I have lived long enough to be certain that both are facts, and anyone who opposes this are either young, immature or does not live in the real world. On the other hand, a firmware release for a phone is not that big a deal, and it will give us lots of time to dive into the -testing and -devel repositories, if boredom is the problem.